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After his appearance on Dr. Oz on which he declined to reveal what his cholesterol numbers were because he hadn't had a lipid panel run in a long time.

At the urging of his family, he got it done and he has posted his results.

http://www.garytaubes.com/2011/04/before-sugar-were-talking-about-cholesterol/#respond

Needless to say, his numbers are great because he eats all that "arterycloggingsaturatedfat"

Predominately Pattern A large bouyant LDL, HDL 68, TC 204 Fasting Blood glucose 86 great.

Chris Masterjohn comments that Gary's CO2 is low because "burning fat also produces less CO2 than burning carbohydrate because fats are poor in oxygen compared to carbs."

I would say pretty good numbers for someone who lives on high fat steak and eggs and chicken and butter.

He does follow his own advice.

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He's also been eating liver or supplementing vitamin D3, it seems. Or getting a lot of sun. – JJ Apr 18 2011 at 20:49
I don't find low CO2 being correlated with burning fat (ketosis) in my case. That would seem to be the case but my CO2 results during my ketogenic diet are a bit higher when I was on a carb-heavy diet. What explanation could be for this? – Namby Pamby Aug 31 2011 at 22:40

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I loved that he had the balls to do this.....but not digging his TG and glucose numbers.....that is because of the dairy. His CRP numbers should be even lower with that VAP. Tells me he should consider dropping dairy and rechecking it. Compared to most Americans it rocks. Just trying to make a teaching point in there. I just Emailed Oz the test from Gary's site and he said he has already had over 100 people send it to him. LOL. I wonder if Gary ever gets a public response? Monkeys might fly out of my ass before that occurs.

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My TG are at least half and I eat dairy. – Bread-Eating Beelzebub Apr 18 2011 at 20:37
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So Melissa you are one of the few who can eat raw milk dairy with you boyfriend. But dont generalize your fortunes. I too happen to be one of them......but I treat many who are not and in my opinion it is one of the biggest fallacies in the paleoblogesphere. I think Guys like Robb and LaLaonde are being very honest with respect to dairy. I dont think its a cut and dry issue. – The Quilt Apr 18 2011 at 20:45
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with you boyfriend? Hahahahaha. – Bread-Eating Beelzebub Apr 18 2011 at 21:15
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I agree that these aren't numbers indicative of someone who is very health-conscious and doing it right. Poor quality dairy does me in for sure, I'm skeptical that the good quality stuff is so bad. The thing is that there are indeed ways to get to sub-optimal blood tests without eating carbs. He might have just neglected micronutrients, PUFAs, gut health, might be getting too much protein and not enough fat, all of that. His only dietary advice seems to be replace carbs with meat. Carb restriction is a great help but it's anything but the whole game. – Stabby Apr 18 2011 at 22:09
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I could be wrong, but I think Taubes has said that dairy is a quality of life thing and I think it's important to respect that. If someone wants to skydive, scuba dive, ride motorcycles, they all have some risk and thus life shortening statistical effect, but for many people (like my wife who does all three) it's worth it. – Noah Aug 9 2011 at 2:35
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Dr. Oz is about to binge on pork rinds.

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In secret, of course! – Curmujeon Apr 19 2011 at 1:30
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wearing women's shoes and crying... "I know I'm RIGHT! I know I'm RIGHT!" – Joshua May 3 2011 at 19:08
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I don't believe Gary Taubes follows his own advice. I believe he is a closet macrobiotic who binges on rice cakes and miso soup.

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lol............ – The Quilt Apr 18 2011 at 20:46
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Maybe Oz will post the numbers now that he himself is eating like a "hunter gather." I noticed on the cover of this month's First for Women magazine that Oz is touting the blood type diet! Inside, he claims that he feels best when eating in accordance with his O blood type according to Peter D'Adamo's plan which would be mainly meat eating hunter gatherer. The example of an ideal meal for type O was steak and veggies. Oz goes on to say that some people can handle lots of carbohydrate but he can't. What the??? What about that glorious view of rice and lentils stuck in his colon that he treated the audience to during the follow-up broadcast of his colonoscopy? (He didn't follow the prep instructions and the doc doing the colonoscopy was greeted by a colon carb load during Oz's exam.) His newfound confidence in this blood type diet stuff was purportedly due to a Finnish study showing differences in gut bacteria that make some better able to tolerate carbs etc than others. No reference for this purported study.

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This is the same blood type diet that Wolf, Sisson and others have been calling bunk? – Namby Pamby Aug 31 2011 at 22:52
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They're not the only ones. What if Oz had rolled the blood type dice and come up vegan? – thhq Sep 1 2011 at 5:05
His vegan wife would have been very happy. – Alexandra Sep 2 2011 at 14:58
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Total Cholesterol 204!?!? GET THIS MAN A STATIN.

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It seems depressing that Taubes didn't actually accept Oz's challenge. But then again (after knowing about the editing), they probably would have made the numbers look bad no matter what they were. All considered, I think he still made the right choice.

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I would guess only total cholesterol would have made it in the final version. – Turnkey Apr 19 2011 at 2:30
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I wonder what Taubes' supporters might have said if his total cholesterol and LDL were very high. Maybe then start to apply for the "lipid hypothesis is a myth" argument. It is funny to see that many (not all) people that dismiss the cholesterol hypothesis for bashing low fat dietary dogma are all over the web showing the "extraordinary" blood test results.

Re: CO2 and glucose oxidation

Glucose oxidation via glycolysis produces 2CO2, plus 4CO2 from the Krebs Cycle as a by-product. It is not that carbohydrates have more oxygen, it is the metabolic pathway the responsible for increased respiratory exchange ratio for glucose oxidation.

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i dont think gary was ever trying to give out "advice." i think gary just wants to spread the truth about what is healthy and what isnt since we are fed so much misinformation day in and day out. i think everyone, including gary, can take the information and do WHATEVER they want with it - as long as it is true information, that is all that really matters.

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If someone were asked to take a test for something like steroids, but they refused and came back weeks later with their own test, then they'd be considered as very suspicious.

But when Taubes does just that, he gets praised.

The most likely explanation is that he was worried about losing book sales, and so he fasted heavily and then presented his figures. Then he made up some cockamamie excuses. Instead of defending his position, he chickens out and then finagles.

After all, pharma profits and agribusiness profits are tainted and lead to corruption, but book author profits are pure and Gary only does what he does for the good of the people.

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No, the most likely explanation is simply that he didn't have a recent score, then ultimately decided to get one, per the OP. How's Dr. Oz's score, BTW? Has that been posted yet? – WyldKard May 3 2011 at 18:55
Because book sales profits always rival pharma and agri profits? All are profitable, but it's not really playing in the same ball park, now is it. – JeJ Mar 9 2012 at 0:04
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Good on Gary for posting this!

I will say that my numbers were 'better' than his when I ate the SAD. I think genetics do have a lot of influence with this one.

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This is a good point, sometimes we can ignore the fact that some people will have a predisposition towards certain outcomes: the oldest man in the world was a smoker, some people eat like crap and still run fine etc.. – JeJ Mar 9 2012 at 0:03
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That's funny, his numbers are all very similar to mine except that my LDL-C was almost double his. Given what he said he eats every day on that show, I would have expected higher LDL. Does he have a day's worth of food posted anywhere?

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Click the link in the question. He says exactly what he eats daily garytaubes.com/2011/04/… – Dexter Apr 18 2011 at 21:59
Having levels like is seems to be reasonably common in the low carb world. Ie. Jimmy Moore is ~100 or HDL and LDL. Paleo is kinda unique in spiking LDL. – Turnkey Apr 19 2011 at 4:45
I guess some are susceptible and some aren't but I doubt that wide LDL differences between two people eating a paleo-type diet matter at all. – Travis Culp Apr 26 2011 at 20:40
The level of LDL depends on apo E -- E2 is lower, E4 higher. Your apo alleles are probably apo E4/E3 or E4/E4 and Taubes E2 containing. – grace Apr 27 2011 at 10:09
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"burning fat also produces less CO2 than burning carbohydrate because fats are poor in oxygen compared to carbs." is demonstrably incorrect.

The oxygen content of sucrose for example is entirely matched by the hydrogen content C12H22O11 + 12 O2 -> 12 CO2 + 11 H2O with no opportunity for the oxygen in the molecule to contribute to the carbon oxidation

The respiratory exchange ratio CO2 produced / O2 consumed is lowest for fat (0.707) and highest for carbs (1.0).

Taubes most likely has low CO2 due to respiratory compensation for blood ketones - less CO2 in blood to give less acidic H2CO3 to maintain blood pH in presence of acidic ketone bodies.

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I don't find the above correlation true either. For more than a year, I was on a very strict ketogenic diet and my CO2 level is not any different from during my carb-heavy (350g+) days. – Namby Pamby Aug 31 2011 at 22:48
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so Anti the Antis....no matter what the readings were you'd win? If they were bad then you win...if they're good then they're rigged? How convenient. Must be fun living in your world.

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I feel justified in not buying his books now, because his blood numbers match mine, though my HDL is somewhat higher and my LDL may be a little fluffier. I eat lots of meat and fat for sure, but unlike Gary I exercise and eat a lot of so-called bad calories.

Edit: I followed Rose's direction and went in search of evidence for Taubes the runner. I found none, but did find a tidbit by him on a 68 year old man who had gained 30 pounds by running 80,000 miles. So I'll assume that he doesn't have a high opinion of that activity anyway. Looking at his bloodwork as an example of a sedentary low carb dieter I'd say it's decent, though adding exercise would improve his TG, HDL and fasting glucose numbers.

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I believe Gary is a runner. His observations about exercise, frequently misrepresented for some odd reason, are not that exercise is bad or useless, simply that it has little impact on weight loss relative to diet, and especially in the obese. – Rose Aug 30 2011 at 18:22
Well if he's a runner good for him. Exercise helped my blood tests considerably. – thhq Aug 30 2011 at 19:08
I know I've heard him say he works out regularly because it feels good, and I thought I remembered him saying he runs. It was most likely in an interview, rather than one of his articles or posts. Anyhow, here he is (in the first ten seconds) saying he does resistance training; if I find the running ref, I'll post it: youtube.com/watch?v=2awWfboOl04 – Rose Aug 31 2011 at 22:00
This bothers me Rose, both because of his anti exercise stance (he's certainly not offering much encouragement to exercise) and because exercise would bias his blood tests. If he is indeed exercising his numbers are not impressive at all. – thhq Sep 1 2011 at 3:11
Sigh. For someone who's never read him, you certainly have strong opinions about what you imagine he's said. And I've no idea what you're reading into his numbers; the point of making them public was to prove that his arteries weren't trying to kill him on a low-carb diet. If you get more insight than that out of his mostly in-range numbers, you must have a crystal ball that nobody else has. – Rose Sep 1 2011 at 13:14
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