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Here's an odd one: I've read many comments where alcohol craving is reduced, but none where it's increased. I switched to a low-carb/paleo diet some months ago and have lost about 25-30 lbs and feel much better (with improving blood chemistry too). However my alcohol consumption (red wine) has increased a LOT - typically half a bottle a night now, when I used to average maybe a couple glasses a week. The timing was almost immediately after I changed my diet around.

I suspect this is a 'cheat' mechanism, as a way to consume more sugar, like I used to do with cheese. But why wine? I have zero craving for all my old indulgences such as pasta and pastries and ice cream - but in the evening I'm pouring a glass or three no matter what I promised myself earlier.

It's not a "huge" problem - I'm not falling down or driving drunk, and I don't have weird personality shifts (ok, I do get a little 'happy'). But it definitely impacts my sleep, and what I can accomplish for myself if I'm up late.

Any thoughts, suggestions, different ways to think about this? I feel like a little bit is fine - but for some reason I'm going too far.

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First of all, it is not permitted to be "happy". A diet should render you glum, hypersensitive and very "patriotic" towards your diet. Second, I agree with you, it sounds like a type of compensation. Maybe you should allow yourself to "cheat" on the diet a couple days a week and see if that helps with the wine-drinking. You know, if you go to AA, you see a lot of sugar. Maybe if there were a Paleo Anonymous meeting (people trying to get over Paleo) the members would drink lots of wine :) – Thomas Seay Apr 19 2011 at 17:03
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Paleo Anonymous!! Woo! That made me laugh! – Dave S. Apr 19 2011 at 17:10
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Haha - I do really appreciate the "happy" part, even if it IS non-Paleo :-). Perhaps that IS what the compensation is - happiness! @DudleyP - I have read that even heavy drinkers tend to live longer (though I do see some rather severe counter-examples by the bar around the corner from me). But I'd like to drink a little less - or at least have a little more control - mostly because of how it impacts my sleep. One idea I had: make my own wine - or perhaps mead. I'm sure that'd be more "paleo" too :-) – CaveRat Apr 19 2011 at 17:45
i personally don't think 2 glasses of red wine is too many, but if it's bothering your sleep, thats a problem. Try drinking a half glass, then have a cup of chamomile tea or some other non caffeinated drink like water (though I prefer something hot), then go back to finish your glass of wine. That should slow you right down. – tartare Apr 19 2011 at 17:49
mead is made from honey! uhhh, its pretty sweet and would definitely keep you awake if not make you run around the block a few times... – tartare Apr 19 2011 at 17:51
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We'd probably need to know more about your diet now, your diet before, and how long you've been adhering to a Paleo-type diet. This would give us a clearer picture of where your metabolism stands at the moment.

Are you doing VLC with a low body fat %? If so, you should increase your carb intake in general to curtail cravings, and this should take care of the physiological cravings for the wine.

Wine contains significant amounts of sucrose whereas beer and liquor contain very little unless added (often HFCS is pumped into liquors). Sucrose is a glucose bound to a fructose. The body will separate the two in the small intestine. Fructose has been shown to be addictive, and it is almost exclusively absorbed by the liver, being that the body metabolizes it as it would a toxin. Addictive and toxic is not the best combo, but they often come hand-in-hand. The fructose itself does not lead to an insulin response, but the glucose that came with it will. If you are consuming almost no carbs except for your wine, perhaps your body (often smarter than yourself) has associated your continued wine intake -- not your discontinued ice cream and pastry intake -- with its only available source of significant glucose, the "better half" of sucrose. Have you had any other particularly sweet or starchy things since you starting consuming more wine?

My tentative suggestion based on the info available is that you should add some insulinogenic carbs earlier in the day like starch, perhaps 75-150 g, and see what happens to the wine cravings. If they don't go away, maybe you just really, really like wine. That, or I'm a bad diagnostician.

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Good suggestions becker - I'll think about this one. I am pretty low-carb after a lifetime of huge amounts of sugars (I had experimented with a blood sugar tester - a tool I highly recommend btw since it really showed me how food was impacting my body - and suspect I was 'pre-pre' diabetic). – CaveRat Apr 19 2011 at 17:51
btw I sort of backed into Paleo, by way of Taubes' book Good Calories Bad Calories. So I started pretty extreme low-carb about 6 months ago, and have since been 'tweaking' it from a Paleo perspective. – CaveRat Apr 19 2011 at 17:53
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I am pretty sure that there is no significant amount of sucrose in wine, most, if not all sugar, is fermented. Port and dessert wine do have sugar, however. – Jeffk8900 Apr 20 2011 at 1:43
Ehhh, you're right Jeff. Not sure how I missed that... but yes, dessert wines are loaded with sucrose. Sangria anyone? Mmmm.... – becker Apr 20 2011 at 13:17
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teetotallers don't live any longer

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There was another similar post a few hours ago - the gal was breastfeeding... anyway, I don't have the time to check to see if your name is the same...

But! Either way - you mention 'some months' on Paleo - I found that especially when I am exercising, I do want some type of carb - I just ensure that I do it in the best possible manner. Post-workout sweet potatoes or yams (microwaved, then fried in coconut oil) really hit the spot. I found that about 2-3 months into Paleo - I too missed carbs. I think it's your body's way of saying, "Hey, wait a minute - I could handle your strange new eating for the first few months - 'hoping you'd go back to eating a SAD... but, you're still at it. I want my high sugar - high carb goodies!"

You also might try dark chocolate (as close to 80%) or coco nibs (virtually no sugar) with almonds or walnuts. A buzz is a good thing - as a complete non-drinker for many decades - I know that I have to find other things that make me veg a bit and just enjoy life (to counteract my more productive moments). Look at the things that make you happy - that are not alcohol related - and accentuate them in your life.

I tend to agree that any craving for anything carb (whether alcohol, sweets, breads, pastas, etc.) is simply a craving for the glucose that the drink/food ultimately becomes. Also finding a protein or a fat that is particularly satiating BEFORE you get the cravings - might tend to weaken the 'attack.'

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I like the idea of 'preempting' the craving with something similar. I had experimented with flavored (ginger) water, but I'll look at chocolate - even in the evenings it usually doesn't cause insomnia for me. I think for it to work for this particular issue it'll need some glucose, but I'd want to be very careful with that... – CaveRat Apr 19 2011 at 18:01
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This happened to me too.

I don't keep wine in the house anymore. it became a real compulsion. I went from a glass or two here-and-there to at least two glasses a night, sometimes up to a bottle. [Health issues aside drinking up to 5 bottles of wine/week gets pretty spendy.] That continued for a couple months. I was still eating some carbs then. I finally cut the wine, (and all grains/most carbs) in january. Perhaps unrelatedly, my coffee intake increased at that time, the same way, proportionally. It doesn't really make sense, but i feel like it's related. I'm trying to cut back on the coffee now. I wonder what will pop up?

I'm now PMVLC. (pretty much very low carb).

it's radical, but, fwiw, in my case, i kind of suspect Candida..(?).. shrug.

Good Luck!

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Yes, very similar. I've always been a big caffeine drinker too, though since I stopped brewed coffee and switched to espresso and/or (usually and) tea, I feel fine and don't fret about it. – CaveRat Apr 19 2011 at 18:16
"PMVLC" - I like it! – CaveRat Apr 19 2011 at 18:16
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Wine goes to the brain and gives you some happy. It's a way to consume more alcohol, not more sugar. It moderates the big Paleo life change and helps you cope with loss, in this case the foods you have given up. But you say you have no craving for old indulgences, so this may not be your issue. Stress relief and escapism are thought to be two of the major reasons for drinking alcohol. How's your stress level?

It probably doesn't help that some Paleo authors seem to have a soft spot for alcoholic beverages.

Thank you for bringing this up. I would guess this happens more frequently than it would appear from the questions posted here.

If I want to avoid eating or drinking something, I have to keep it out of my home. I tend to be so moderate with moderation that it's totally absent.

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As they say, "it's complicated". My wife isn't remotely supportive of my changes, or rather likes the result but critiques the process endlessly. I won't even suggest keeping wine out of the house (though I think it'd actually work very well) since then I'd "have an alcohol problem" in addition to "it has to be bad for you!" every time I had pat of butter. Sigh. I do think the issues aren't disconnected... – CaveRat Apr 19 2011 at 18:26
haha, yes, no one can accuse me of being immoderately moderate either! – g. Apr 19 2011 at 18:28
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@CaveRat. Don't let her bully you into drinking! I def think you should give it a rest and observe any changes for a few weeks. If she keeps buying it, stop joining her in the consumption. I know it seems crazy to say no to "only one glass" (i had this fight with myself all the time) but one was never only one. Do you think it does anything wacky to your blood sugar?? I'm curious about the tester you spoke of! Don't worry, you aren't an alcoholic, you're going through changes and there are bound to be tweaks and compensations while you adjust! – g. Apr 19 2011 at 18:36
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it is hard to quit something when your spouse/partner isn't along for the ride. "likes the results but critiques the process endlessly" is a sign to me of two things 1- genuine concern for your well being, based on how bombarded she has been with "conventional" thinking, poorly expressed as criticism 2- insecurity about what it means for her, will she need to eventually give up foods she loves, will you become way healthier than her and start making her look bad? etc etc. Maybe you could have a conversation about this. – tartare Apr 19 2011 at 18:56
I should clarify - I'm the bigger drinker, however she does like to have wine in the house, and my making it into an "issue" would turn it into an even bigger issue - not worth it! – CaveRat Apr 19 2011 at 19:07
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I've found I crave alcohol for three days after I consume more than one glass. You might want to test how long the cravings last, which will help you monitor and enjoy your consumption rather than worrying.

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very common issue I hear from patients daily when they go paleo......they crave booze a lot less. Has to do with down regulation of the dopamine tracts in the median forebrain bundle and due to sensitivty increases in the CART enzyme system in the brain that help limit reward behavior.

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uh, he said he's craving it more. – g. Apr 20 2011 at 2:25
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since on the paleo diet you no longer consume Milk which is vitamin D enriched so you D consumption would come only from direct exposure to sunlight. There is some research claiming that vitamin D contributes to mood, that lack there of contributes to depression. Depression of course goes hand in hand w/ alcohol consumption.....

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Well I am taking Vitamin D capsules, about 2-3 Grams a day (less than some suggest but more than a typical diet). And lately I've been drinking kefir (though not fortified) so I'm still getting it that way too. – CaveRat Apr 21 2011 at 16:05
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this is a far fetched answer but it may be possible that you are missing a micro nutrient in your diet and its in the fermented wine. their are thousands of unknown products made by yeast that eat sugar piss alcohol and fart C02. i brew wine myself and i am a microbiologist. that said i would limit it to one glass per day and eat some raw grapes. grapes are natures candy.

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