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The short answer is obviously No. However, I want to see what people think about a McDonalds hack that I've been implementing.

I order 3 McDoubles plain (ie no sauce) and only eat the cheese and meat, which sums to 3 slices of cheese and 6 patties.

The good: 100% beef, ~60g protein, minimal to no additives, only salt and pepper seasoning, no msg

The bad: CAFO meat (no n-3), sterilized w ammonia (all cooked off though, protects against e coli)

Well, Paleohackers, what do you think?

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There has got to be something better you can eat on the go. How often are you eating this? – sherpamelissa May 3 2011 at 1:33
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my mcdonalds hack is a large coffee. ONE DOLLAR ANY SIZE! – being May 3 2011 at 2:03
Melissa: In order to balance exposure to toxins, diversify gut bacteria, & keep things interesting, I cycle all of my food habits. So, eg, this month I'll do it a few times a week, then I'll go a month or two incorporating other easy hacks (canned salmon and sardines are my favorite) on days when I have to drive to campus from my home 35 minutes away. – Eric S May 3 2011 at 2:11
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BTW -- I see you are getting beat up in the answers/comments below so if it means anything to you -- The Chief PaleoHacker (me) thinks this is a good and useful hack. – Patrik May 3 2011 at 3:28
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Agree with the second comment above -- McDonald's is good for coffee. Period. And maybe free WiFi, though I can never stand to sit in the place long enough to use it. – Glenn May 3 2011 at 3:30
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Ha! You just described my "Damn I didn't bring enough food to work, I'm starving, and have $5 in my wallet" meal. I order 3 double burgers, plain, no cheese and throw the buns away. I do this after the gym maybe twice a month.

Is it paleo? It is what it is.

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Whoa...hang on everyone. I get it - McDonald's is baaaad and I know it's not good food. I'm not defending McD's or suggesting you should eat it. I'm simply being open about the fact that I'm human and sometimes make less-than-optimal choices. I admire you if you've found a way to live your life with perfect integrity and without contradiction - I haven't, and am quite OK with it. I'm not poor, nor do I lack a range of other healthy choices - I just sometimes WANT a greasy McBurger, fully accepting all of the consequences (physically, socially, economically) and forgiving myself immediately. Eating a burger or two is pretty low on my rap sheet: I bike to work but sometimes drive because I'm tired; I buy local, but sometimes the thing I want is at Walmart (yes...I go); I'm a social justice peacenik who loves the UFC (GSP would have taken him out, but he couldn't see for chrissake).

Look...if you live in North America, your life is an ethical contradiction. We're only able to philosophize about whether or not a burger is paleo because we live daily off the backs of the world's poor. I don't want it to be that way, but I've failed to live as a zero-impact ascetic. If you feel strongly about the ethics of your choices as a consumer, then back slowly away from the environmentally disastrous, slave-wage computer you're reading this on and spend the rest of the day throwing away everything that has a negative impact on the environment, society, or global economy. Or you could just be honest about who you are and give props to a guy like Eric who's brave enough to be who he is.

Being conscious about minimizing our impact is absolutely critical - I work hard at it, as I'm sure you all do, but let's at least be honest about our own versions of the McContradiction.

PS. uwiniwin - I wasn't talking about my kids, and you really have no idea what I deserve (some would say I deserve much worse...like Subway!).

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it what it is, which is poison. poison for YOU - and also for farmers, and for the factory workers, for the land the gmo feed was grown on, for the sickly animals that eventually became your meal. you are doing yourself and your children no favors by supporting this. you deserve better. we all do. – g. May 3 2011 at 2:03
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I would rather fast than eat any food from McDonalds. It's not worth feeling like crap afterward, not to mention what it's doing to your body. Just sayin' :-) – Liesl May 3 2011 at 2:09
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Liesl - Here the surprising thing about it: when I just eat the meat and cheese from McDonalds, it doesn't make me feel bad. In fact, just the opposite. It makes me feel the same way that my go-to home-cooked grass fed burgers make me feel: satisfied, strong, energetic, etc. – Eric S May 3 2011 at 2:25
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Riveted: thanks for the spirited support. I should say, though, that I really wanted to get people talking about (i) whether or not McDs beef really is bad, and if so, then (ii) whether or not its benefits outweigh its gains. This is my opinion, but I wanted to think about it more rigorously, and with info and ideas from others that I otherwise wouldn't have come across or considered. Both have definitely happened, so suffice it to say that I'm really pleased with the Paleohacks community right now :) – Eric S May 3 2011 at 16:31
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Cool. Sorry if I hijacked it - dichotomous thinking gets me all worked up. As for whether it's good or bad, I'm not sure there's an answer, only opinion. 1. Conventional beef: good and bad. 2. "Cheese": probably bad, but try to prove it. 3. Ammonia: depends on the dose. 3. McDonald's in general: bad for many, great for others. It's the denial of the complexity of the world that's probably more harmful than anything. – Riveted May 3 2011 at 16:56
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So the question is "Is questionable meat paleo?"

And the answer is "Semantics".

Paleo signifies different things to different people. Many would be fine with a McDonald's hack cheat, and many would rather fast. Some would do either depending on their mood (e.g. me). Obviously meat quality matters for nutrients and potential toxins/bacteria/etc. But it's easy to conflate anti-corporate sentiment with calling McDonald's meat not paleo.

What would the Fast Food Nation guy say about this if he were paleo?

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Omg, I'm scandalized by the suggestion that Mr Schlosser might casually eat corporate fast-food. Paleo Schmaleo! Would Howard Zinn vote for Donald Trump? Hellz no, godblessim (r.i.p.) – g. May 3 2011 at 2:16
i'm a conflater, myself. obvs. – g. May 3 2011 at 2:24
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Kamal: Very nicely put. I suppose that I should add that one of my goals is to build muscle, and I do strength training 3 times a week. So I'm willing to trade off low n-3 and lower nutrients and vitamins in order to consume large amounts of protein and fat with minimal effort. Thanks again for the well-phrased and smart comment. – Eric S May 3 2011 at 2:26
+1 Well said, Kamal. – Ben May 3 2011 at 13:18
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100% beef? I almost envy your naive optimistic outlook. Almost. You forgot ammonia, oh, and this stuff: http://www.grist.org/article/2010-01-05-cheap-food-ammonia-burgers

technically this "pink slime" is beef. very very processed beef washed with ammonia. Yum.

Sorry, but i don't buy the "i'm broke and I can't afford to eat decently" argument either. I've been unemployed for a while now. (long story, short of it is taking care of family).

you can and should eat well. it takes some effort, yes, but let's not put lipstick on a pig and call that acceptable meat. I can go buy a $4 package of mussels at walmart that feeds me and my husband for dinner. $2/person plus the one time cost of herbs and maybe onions.

A local pastured chicken costs us $15 and that feeds us both twice plus lunch for him. Then stock. $3/meal.

I did a lot of drugs in my 20's but I never pretended it was healthy for me. It's poison and it is not ok on any level, unless you're trying to die, in which case, have at it but at least be man enough to call it like it is.

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lets not forget ground beef is pretty darn cheap. even the grass fed stuff isnt too $$ – MikeD May 3 2011 at 2:10
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the fact is, you're defensively attempting to defend a very bad habit, which is either the result of laziness or lack of imagination. for your sake, i hope its laziness. – tartare May 3 2011 at 2:51
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i dont care if you eat Mcdonalds, but the idea of trying to realistically defend this as meritorious, nourishing food is a joke. the idea behind "paleo" is making choices that are biologically appropriate. it actually does not take a scientist to figure out that pink slime and ammonia are not healthy. give it a rest. seriously. – tartare May 3 2011 at 2:53
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you need an anonymous consensus to help you form opinions about your own well being? – tartare May 3 2011 at 3:07
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@Patrik, why is a tiny amount of gluten widely accepted as a profound disturbance to the system whereas ingested ammonia and transmogrified fat is acceptable for what, hormesis? sorry i cant get behind that. – tartare May 3 2011 at 3:32
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There is a loooooooong list of things anyone should eat for protien before resorting to McDonald's "beef". I would rather starve for 3 days first.

Remember that eating Paleo (or any other way) is first about being nourished well before meeting some techical definition of some food group.

On a practical level, I think you are guaranteed that this beef-alike substance has absolutely no food value. It has calories, no carbs (good), no nutrients (bad), toxins and chemicals (bad), and puts you in a place where you might be tempted to eat even worse (bad).

If you really need some quick and easy proteins, and are ok with dairy (which it sounds like you are, except that McDonald's cheeze probably contains no actual cheese), just go to your local grocery store's deli counter and buy a portion of ham, turkey, roast beef, etc. along with some cheese. This is highly processed and contains some water and chemicals, but is still 100x better than the sorry garbage served at McDonald's.

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I see where you're going, but one of the reasons I did this post is that I'm reconsidering the assumption that its bad, which we assume because of our presumably negative view of McDonalds. Their beef might be processed to some extent, but its still almost all beef, with minimal seasoning, and relatively low levels of chemicals. Same general characteristics with the cheese. See the ingredients listed above. Lastly, CAFO beef is actually very nutritious; it's just not as nutritious as grass fed pastured beef. Don't get me wrong, its not perfect or even good, but its way better than many think. – Eric S May 3 2011 at 5:58
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Eric, it does not sound like you're "trying to rethink" but that you've already made up your mind and justified a bunch of reasons to try to turn a junk diet into something acceptable or even admirable. I don't think you're really looking for answers here, but just more support for what you're already trying to convince yourself. If that's your Kool Aid, fine, but it doesn't seem like you're interested in any of the answers you're getting or willing to seriously take them into consideration if you can still make statements like "Their beef might be processed to some extent..." – Rock_Paper_Shirley May 4 2011 at 2:01
Shirley: Im sorry you think that. I enjoyed the exchange with tartare. As an ex of 1 thing I learned, I didn't know about the processed beef 'paste' that McDs adds to the meat. While the description of how it is proc.d isnt a deal breaker for me, it'll surely make me less nonchalant about my McDs hack. I plan on pursuing this issue further (a new thing). We still don't know what % of McDs meat consists of paste, eg; its hard to determine how (un)healthy it is. None of the problems mentioned were linked to McDs; I wonder if the two co.s have a unique arrangement. Many unknowns; still learning. – Eric S May 4 2011 at 2:43
I don't mean to be a food Nazi, but I am extremely skeptical of the quality of the food at McDonald's, especially their beef. When I eat it (which I have done out of desperation at times), I get stomach aches and poor digestion. In terms of the "100% beef" claims, do some Google searches for "pink slime" and see if you still feel the same way. I would literally skip a meal (which is very Paleo BTW) if McDonald's were the only option, but it almost never is. – UncleLongHair May 4 2011 at 14:38
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I'll admit I do similar if I'm in a bind and need a feed. My poison of choice is the triple whopper at BK with no bun, they'll even put it in a salad bowl for you.

I do "field work" so I'm on the road all the time, and I emphasize sleep over making sure I have next-day grubs... so there are some days I won't have a packed lunch. I will try my best to hit up a BBQ, steakhouse, or churrasco, the meat might be CAFO but I can trust the preparation a bit more, and I don't have the stress of eating in my car.

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If I'm desperate for fat, protein... meat, I do this.

5 cheeseburgers, no ketchup no bun, down the hatch. (In Spain there is no double burger on the "discount" menu.)

I feel great after. Really.

That said the McDonald's meat here in Spain is notably juicier and more tasty than the golden arches state side.

I consider this a valid PaleoHack. McDonald's is not evil.

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I don't know what Paleo is, but I do know McDonald's AIN'T IT.

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I agree, but this hack is trying address how we might think about and assess tradeoffs with potential suboptimal, less-than-paleo compromises. – Eric S Nov 10 2011 at 15:51
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No.

(Apparently I have to have more than three characters to post a response, but still— no.)

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The only reason that I go to McDonald's is to pee. Seriously! It is a horrible company, promoting horrible food, and destroying rain forests. Their food does not rot! Their meat is so processed and I believe they use bleach in it. YUCK! There are much better choices and planning to be had. Not judging, because everyone is in their own place, but factory farmed meat, disgusts me!

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Hmmm...I always say that little Cable Guy prayer about "forgive me lord and mumble the pygmies" before I eat it, but I do a similar hack at Jack in the Box, just without the cheese (no dairy or dairy-like products for me). It may not be "paleo," but it tastes okay to me.

Although lately I've been worried about what they might put into the meat in these fast food places. Obviously it's not local, grassfed, blah-de-blah, and I can tolerate that, but what if they're adding corn syrup or something to hook people? I forget where that particular scare story came from, but it's recent, and it's on my mind. Maybe I'll dig around and see where I can find it (I know about the Taco Bell "meat" story; it wasn't that).

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you wish they were only adding corn syrup. – tartare May 3 2011 at 5:22
McDonalds, at least, doesn't add corn syrup to their beef. They don't even add msg. So what's their insidious hook? Salt and pepper. I suspect they get your hooked by offering the perfect (ie deadliest) mix of fat, glutamate (from the meat), salt, and processed carbs. But if you only eat the meat and cheese, the option needs to be re-evaluated. That's what I intended to make the post about. There's no clear answer, but the question is more interesting than most probably assumed. – Eric S May 3 2011 at 6:02
Eric, you never addressed my point that the fat in the "pink slime" was thoroughly altered through it's pink transmogrifying "sliming homogenization" process. I agree with you that naturally occurring fat is truly good fuel, but it's been proven that adulterated fat can be wholly undesirable, even though the original fat may have been perfectly acceptable. – tartare May 3 2011 at 7:19
The term 'pink slime' turns out to be pretty unhelpful. The substance is nothing more than beef trimmings ground up and treated with ammonia. That said, I suppose that liverwurst, pate, and most other ground meats are just pink slime too. Its sent through pipes, exposed to ammonia gas, and flash frozen. I don't view this as radically different than grinding beef or pork trimmings, then freezing them in vacuum sealed plastic, which is what my favorite local organic farms do. – Eric S May 3 2011 at 10:56
Further, when McDonalds gets the (very thin) burgers, they cook them to well done at a temperature that they expect to be risk free, given their understanding of the likelihood of having contaminated meat on their hands, which is .06 percent. Note also that ammonia exposure and cooking eliminate e coli with equivalent efficiency. So McDonalds is being doubly safe by incorporating this redundancy into their anti-bacterial protocol. – Eric S May 3 2011 at 11:04
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The cheese is likely to be high in trans fats.

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I also worried about this. Here are the ingredients according to McDonalds: 'Milk, water, milkfat, cheese culture, sodium citrate, salt, citric acid, sorbic acid (preservative), sodium phosphate, artificial color, lactic acid, acetic acid, enzymes, soy lecithin (added for slice separation).' I haven't researched processed cheese. But this looks pretty good to me; or, rather, not too terrible. What do people think, should I nix the cheese? – Eric S May 3 2011 at 2:22
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It may not have trans fats but it's a stretch to call it "food." – JJ May 3 2011 at 15:00
Milk, water, milk fat, cheese culture,.. sounds like food to me. The other stuff is fairly benign as far as preservatives and additives go. It's not ideal, but its definitely food. – Eric S May 3 2011 at 18:35
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I'd rather "hack" an In-N-Out burger than McDonalds...

That orange haired clown just scares me; profit before people is his motto.

BTW You're obviously not dairy sensitive because any cheese from fast food seriously causes me some serious GI issues.

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SDD: I totally agree. Unfortunately in-in-out is a regional chain. Ronald scares me too, that's why the details of this hack surprised me when I started looking into the details. And you are right, I'm not dairy sensitive, though I'll get around to testing it via elimination at some point. – Eric S Nov 10 2011 at 16:41
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I think McDonalds is offering far healthier and more real food than its reputation suggests. Its 100% beef, and unless you are only eating at restaurants that serve pastured, organic meat (where are they?), you won't get much different. People should look beyond conventional wisdom to the facts. After all, conventional wisdom says whole grain bread is good, and meat fat is bad. It is a convention to say McDonalds is unhealthy and even evil, but occasional meals here are fine. I get six burgers, toss the buns, chop them up and put them on a side salad, and I have a decent primal meal

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The butcher at my local Whole Foods (where I get most of my local grass-fed organic blah blah) pointed out to me that McDonald's actually gets first pick on beef from the beef industry because they're the biggest customer, so they may actually have the highest quality CAFO beef around.

My main qualm with your hack is the bun. Even a removed bun leaves enough behind to make me feel glutened afterwards. Le sigh.

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Can guarantee that, that meat is NOT 100% Beef. I wouldn't touch that stuff with even a 20 foot pole! Grass-fed & grass-finished is BEST!

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Dude, at least do it at BK where the beef is actually cooked over a grill.. Maybe a little healthier?

In my opinion, def a lot tastier.

My 2 cents.

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But can you get 2 patties per $1? Sometimes. Sometimes not. Whereas McDs offers this as an everyday value. – Eric S Nov 10 2011 at 16:42
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Do you have tastebuds? Because if you do that alone should tell you that something ain't right with McDonalds' burgers. They simply taste disgusting. I understand where you're coming from with this hack, and I've done a similar thing myself before while roadtripping (albeit at Wendy's, which, IMO, uses far better meat), but it's not something I'd want to do more than once in a blue moon.

And why exactly do you actually believe McDonalds' ingredient lists? I'd better dollars to donuts they're grossly misleading.

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McDs has a huge legal incentive to be honest about their ingredients. – Eric S Nov 10 2011 at 16:42
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Skip the McDonalds. There is never a reason in the world to eat it. As someone stated above, grass-fed ground beef is not expensive. Buy it in bulk for $4 or less per lb anywhere in the world. With this you can eat all of your meals for under $3.

Ground beef may be the healthiest too. It has the CLA, a fair amount of protein, lots of saturated fat and all the micronutrients. Steak is awesome but very expensive.

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Just order a bunless angus burger, no sauce, wrapped in lettuce, and unsweetened tea. That's what I do.I've gotten some snotty remarks from the kids that work there but hey, you do what you gotta do!

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