Blog

34

11

Three hundred ninety-one. That was the total cholesterol count staring back at me 2 months ago from my lab results. Now, when I asked my doctor to order the test, I was expecting it to be out of range. 250 or so was what I expected and I was rehearsing some BS response to what I expected my doctor to say. After all, my diet consisted of 2 lamb steaks per day cooked in lots of butter, which I would then pour onto it after cooking. I was eating a lot of spinach then that was swimming in butter. When I would eat potato or sweet potato I would make not insubstantial percentages of the butter block disappear into it. If there was a way to cram some butter into a meal, I was doing it. I commented in another thread how I suspected that I was personally putting the kids of the owners of Organic Valley through college.

I just got another cholesterol test yesterday from the same doctor/test/lab and it came back 323. I've been largely butter-free for the last 5 weeks. So 5 weeks of more carbs and way less butter accompanied these changes:

TC: 391 to 323
HDL: 55 to 67
TGs: 54 to 37
LDL (Iranian): 269 to 192

So what's so special about butter? It appears that the 3 specific hypercholestemic fatty acids (lauric, myristic and palmitic) are present in significant quantities in butter. Coconut oil has them too, but it's skewed more toward the less potent lauric acid, with roughly the same myristic acid (the most potent), and much less palmitic acid, the second most potent. From this study: http://www.jlr.org/content/36/8/1787.full.pdf it was concluded that butter has twice the total and LDL-raising potential as coconut oil. It may be even more pronounced with pasture butter, the type I was eating.

I happen to be allergic to coconut oil, so during that period I ingested none of it. Though not shown in the aforementioned study, we see higher HDL increases in those ingesting coconut oil primarily due I'm sure to that ratio of fatty acids. Coconut skews cholesterol toward HDL, butter toward LDL.

As for whether really high LDL and total cholesterol by themselves are medically significant I can't say. I can say that ridiculous butterfat intakes are without a substantial evolutionary precedent. As such, I think the burden of proof would be on those arguing that such things are harmless. I'm personally unwilling to bet my life on it, and have thus decided to eliminate dairy fat from my diet. I still eat substantial quantities of grass-fed ruminant flesh and fat, the consumption of which of course has an extensive history among hominins. At the very least, we might use this knowledge to game cholesterol tests that affect us financially.

If anyone here has really high cholesterol and doesn't eat butter, or eats massive quantities of butter but doesn't have really high cholesterol, please chime in. I may be a particularly susceptible individual, but I'm guessing that there are others like me in the community.

flag
2 
I've always eaten lots of butter (all my life). I enjoy a spoonful straight while cooking as a "chef's treat" and such. Last year, after getting a bit more consistent with removing grains and eating even MORE fat than i already did, my LDL was 70-something (76 i think) and HDL was 101. So not sure about that. I do drink a lot of wine though, so maybe that affects it somehow. – tartare May 5 2011 at 4:30
Are we talking large amounts every single day like I was eating? – Travis Culp May 5 2011 at 5:10
2 
I eat about a pound of butter a week, and my numbers are 61 HDL, 74 LDL -- a small improvement over pre-paleo. – Jenny May 5 2011 at 5:15
Ditch the butter for a awhile and try marrow fat? – Jan May 5 2011 at 5:42
i can't say it was every single day. i mean, i can put away some butter and I do like to use large amounts, but I am inconsistent with almost everything I do, certainly with food in that I like to eat a variety. I could never say I ate 2 lamb steaks every day. So I can't say I ate as much as you every day, but certainly I ate lots with regularity. At the time of that test I was working at a good French restaurant so I was eating a wide variety of food there after work too. There is a huge difference in our numbers though. – tartare May 5 2011 at 6:36
show 6 more comments

14 Answers

8

I don't think isolating butter as a cholesterol culprit is appropriate. Butter is one of the healthiest fat to consume. A low triglyceride and high HDL profile points to an LDL that is virtually all the light, fluffy benign (or possibly beneficial) form of LDL. There are labs that will break down your LDL into how much small particle, dense LDL (the bad stuff) and how much is the benign form. Aerobic exercise will raise HDL.

link|flag
5

Travis,

Love your paleo insights!! We love lamb too... (the cuter the better, j/k)

I'd concur with your ambivalences toward the LDL. Having a tremendously high LDL seems troubling to the medical establishment but it is not a big deal at all (in fact protective) if there is no inflammation (e.g.paleo + optimal hormones + avoidance of toxins (PCBs, heavy metals lead mercury etc, plastics, xenoestrogens, drugs, pesticides, etc))...

Apo E4 is known as the 'ancestral' allele (or 'thrifty' or what I liken to 'SUPERHUMANLY EFFICIENT' haa). http://nephropal.blogspot.com/2010/05/overview-of-transporters-every-vital.html

Apo E4 does less 'housecleaning' in the brain and other nervous tissues therefore strict avoidance of toxins and trying to maintain good detox (antioxidants, decent blood sugars, exercise exercise exercise, occasional detones, etc) is more vital than E2 or E3.

-G

link|flag
5

I go through butter like other people go through milk, I'd say about 2lbs a week.

Total: 154 HDL: 71 LDL: 54 Trigs: 50

Pretty much perfect! I do supp with k2, mg, clo and selenium though.

link|flag
whats your activity level like? – Bill1102inf Jan 16 2012 at 17:13
Pretty sedentary, I do a bit of walking. – sarah-ann Jan 16 2012 at 18:43
Lucky you. When I see labs like this, I can only sigh and remark that genes really do make a big difference. – Stephen Feb 29 2012 at 21:40
4

Travis, didn't you add regular liver consumption to your diet since your last blood work? Perhaps this change in cholesterol was due to a correction of mineral imbalances leading to repair of low-grade vascular injury (as Paul Jaminet believes)?

link|flag
Yeah, I've been consuming 1/4-3/4 of a pound of liver since then, but many people chimed in on Jaminet's post with TC of 400-something and regular liver consumption for 6 months+, so I dunno if his theory holds water. It's still a crucially important thing either way. – Travis Culp May 5 2011 at 15:34
4

Hi Travis I am curious to know after several months how your labs are going now and also whether you continue being sceptic on dairy fat. I mostly agree with you but I have been rather undecided lately so knowing about your experience with dairy and ldl would be very helpful!

link|flag
3

I sometimes eat a half a pound or more of butter per day, plus copious amounts of heavy whipping cream, and my total cholesterol has never been higher than 150. LDL around 80. Go figure.

link|flag
2

A similar result with me - HDL went down, LDL went up. I eat lot of butter, heavy cream, and coconut butter fairly regularly (generally as a dessert most nights, in an attempt to up my calories). My running lab results are listed here.

link text

Got more labs done Monday, getting results tomorrow. I will update the above list when I can.

Of note, on May 1 began a no dairy stint. So in a couple months I will re-test and see where I'm at. Luckily my Dr is supportive of my "crazy ideas" and lets me test almost at will. I feel very fortunate for that.

link|flag
Of note: the butter and cream I consume are both raw, grass-fed (Organic Pastures) – Todd May 5 2011 at 6:34
Your insurance pays for all the testing? How frequent and under what purpose? – BaleoNub May 5 2011 at 17:04
Travis, I just updated the link above. – Todd May 11 2011 at 5:06
2

Thanks for sharing this Travis, I'm curious what your fasting glucose and A1c levels are and if they've changed much? Also, one other variable to think about, and that is 'raw' grass-fed butter compared to the organic valley kind. I do buy the organic valley pastured butter and use it for cooking (alternating with coconut oil) and I'll also put it in my sweet potatoes. I eat about a pound of raw grass-fed butter a week in smoothies and while Ive seen a slight increase in LDL it's not off the charts. Also, my HDL is around 90 and triglycerides 45.

Here is something interesting about trans-palmitoleic acid, not sure if you've seen it

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21173413

link|flag
I forgot to ask for glucose this time around, but the first time it was 101 or so. I didn't run HbA1c either time. – Travis Culp May 5 2011 at 17:13
2

This study seems to show that high intakes of saturated fat only increase LDL if intake of linoleic acid is very low, below 4.5% of energy :

http://apjcn.nhri.org.tw/server/APJCN/Volume11/vol11sup5/S401.pdf

link|flag
Thanks for the link, but it's not the palmitic as much as myristic and lauric acids in the butter that increase it's hypercholesterolemic effect above that encountered in, say, suet. Having to consume evolutionarily inconsistent amounts of linoleic acid (10g per day on a 2000 kcal diet) seems unwise as well. – Travis Culp Jan 16 2012 at 17:33
Do you think it only works for palmitic? I'd guess it works for the other 2 but I don't know. But it doesn't matter if you think that's too much linoleic. – TMS Jan 18 2012 at 5:36
2

Pasture butter is a good source of vitamin K2.

link|flag
1

I wonder what your results would look like if you switched to ghee and eliminated the milk proteins. Perhaps you have a sensitivity that is causing low level inflammation.

link|flag
Most of the butter I ate during that time was clarified, so I don't think it makes a difference. – Travis Culp May 5 2011 at 23:31
1

your total cholesterol is high. its not butter, you could stop all butter and it wouldn't change a thing.

link|flag
1 
I think Travis did stop all butter and his total cholesterol dropped to a normal range. So it definitely changed something. – Phoenix Jan 31 2012 at 15:47
0

Travis, my first lipid panel after being Paleo for about 8 months had lower HDL and higher LDL than I was expecting. I don't eat a ton of butter, but I do consume a lot of heavy cream. Do you know if the same fatty acid ratios (or similar at any rate) are in butter and cream?

link|flag
The proportions appear to be very similar. A lot of palmitic and about half that of myristic: nutritiondata.self.com/facts/… – Travis Culp May 5 2011 at 4:34
should be roughly similar as butter is made from cream, right? – Jeff May 5 2011 at 4:37
Butter is churned cream with a little less whey. Leave your whipping cream in the kitchen aid too long and you'll make butter. Done it. Wish I had the whipped cream. – Sara May 5 2011 at 6:47
0

This is irrelevant but 3 weeks ago I increased my butter intake by a lot in an attempt to gain weight, and I have been feeling a very tiny jabbing pain near my heart area. I use to also feel this before when I consumed tons of butter. Do you have information on the fatty acid composition of tallow? Is tallow favorable to butter.

link|flag
Tallow has about the same amount (25% or so) of palmitic acid, but way less myristic acid (3%). About 20% is stearic acid and around 40% is monounsaturated oleic acid. It raises cholesterol, but not nearly to the same extent. Personally, I would always choose tallow over butter. – Travis Culp May 5 2011 at 23:30
2 
I think one should not eat so much butter and fat in general...keep to the paleo principals of lean grass fed meat, wild fish, tons of veggies and fruit, and you will be fine! :) – verena May 6 2011 at 4:12
2 
Again Verena, these are Cordains "paleo principals", not all people share this belief. Different strokes for different folks. – Todd May 6 2011 at 4:33

Your Answer

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged or ask your own question.