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I'm exasperated, and totally about to just say @(^*! IT even if this is "healthier." I've evangelized my parents into paleo but have no success to show them.

This is about the end of month two for me, and I STILL haven't lost an ounce since week 1.

Me

  • Lost 8 pounds first week (Started at 197~199)
  • STILL 187 pounds now
  • STILL a size 16
  • STILL 38% body fat (I.e. lardball)
  • Usual breakfast is coffee & coconut milk or 2 eggs and bacon
  • If I eat breakfast, I try not to eat lunch, otherwise its' usually some protein and veggies in my microwave steamer @ work.
  • Dinner is usually protein and veggies cooked in some fat (ghee or butter usually).
  • No bread, no milk.
  • Gym time is limited due to house hunting in the evenings.
  • Lowered intake from 1800 to 1600 calories to try and beat plateau. No change.

Boyfriend

  • Lost 10 pounds first week (Started at 260ish)
  • Has lost 22 pounds so far
  • Blood pressure down about 20 points
  • Down from size 44-42 to a size 40
  • STILL eats protein shakes for breakfast
  • STILL eats sandwiches (with the buns) about 3-4x a week
  • Eats the same dinners as me
  • Doesn't go to the gym works in an office, same as me
  • STILL drinks diet soda
  • STILL drinks alcohol on the weekends

The scale is beyond annoying as well - Thursday I was at 185 and thought I had this beat. This morning? 188...

It's just bouncing between 186 and 189 or even higher. Body fat isn't changing either. 185 said it was 37% body fat, but on days where its 189 it can be as high as 40, which is really encouraging, let me tell you.

HOW CAN I GET OUT OF THIS PLATEAU!? BTW, 26 year old female with absolutely no desire to look like a body-builder. I just want to look like a victoria secret model and not have to starve myself to get there.

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Your metabolism is not started because your leptin resistant. Won't lose a pound until you understand how to move it. I'd suggest you spend some time reading or find a good doc and pay them to light you on fire. People don't understand hormones are not just about the level.....your symptoms are direct correlates to receptor resistance or sensitivity irrespective of hormone level. Very key point here. Good luck – The Quilt May 8 2011 at 2:10
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you need to stop cheating and stick to the plan 100% or it simply wont work. you have mentioned several "cheats" here before that certainly would make things come to a halt. and not to burst your bubble, but youre not going to model for victorias secret. sorry. give u the dream. there are three billion women in the world and about ten of them are VS models. if thats what youre aiming for, then of course youre going to be disapointed. also its ONLY BEEN A MONTH and you have not even been strict with yourself. ive been paleo, strictly, for 7 months and lost 30 pounds. ITS NOT A CRASH DIET. – being May 8 2011 at 15:06
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-applause @ akd- I find it EXTREMELY offensive when certain people treat Paleo like it's some fad diet that they can just quit when it inconveniences them. I'm Paleo for life; it chose me, not the other way around. Truly, it's the only way I can control my chronic health issues. Sure, I've gained (and lost) weight on Paleo and had some other problems while trying to find the right balance here, but I can't just throw my hands in the air and quit because the alternative -- returning to SAD -- is just too excruciating to think about. – Kaz May 8 2011 at 21:53
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You are right Oranges, if it is making you miserable and not making you feel healthier then you should stop immediately. Most people that do not experience weight loss do feel better physically from eating this way. – sherpamelissa May 9 2011 at 14:24
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oranges, i agree with melissa (per usual). if its making you miserable, then you need to stop. personally, i think that your unreasonable expectations are going to make you miserable on ANY diet, but weight loss is just the byproduct of eating a paleo diet, and giving your body what it needs to find homeostasis. i think the diet is not whats making you miserable, but your expectation that youre going to be on the cover of sports illustrated after a month. – being May 9 2011 at 15:51
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First of all, stop comparing yourself and your boyfriend. No. Really. STOP IT. Men have completely different weight loss issues than women, plus no two people lose weight exactly the same. You need to find what works for you.

I would love to work with you and see your food logs daily. Is there any chance I can talk you into signing up on Livestrong? That way I could see and comment on your food logs. You can friend me as sherpamelissa there too.

There is a way to make Paleo work for you. You may need to go high fat/lower carb or you may need to go higher fat/lower protein. You need to pick a new protocol and stick to it for a month and see what happens.

I know you were having some issues with food choices at work or at restaurants, is that still an issue or have you been able to stay stricter this last month?

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I've been pretty strict paleo this whole time except for the dairy part that people get hung up on. I eat meat, veggies, the occasional serving of cheese or half & half. Otherwise no grains, no sugar, no fruit, no honey, no bread, nothing. I am doing everything right and he is doing everything WRONG and having success. He even SMOKES for gods sake. – Oranges13 May 8 2011 at 3:23
I even skipped dinner twice this week thinking maybe that was the issue. no change whatsoever – Oranges13 May 8 2011 at 3:25
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Did you miss the part where I said what he is doing doesn't matter? Oranges, sweetie, please, please stop comparing yourself to him. My husband is 6'2" and 160lbs, for 1/2 of our relationship I weighed MORE Than him. He loses 10 lbs taking a dump. Nothing I can do about it, all I could do was fix myself. – sherpamelissa May 8 2011 at 3:34
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Also, you shouldn't be trying to IF yet. You need to fix your damaged metabolism before you throw those things in there. I am not worried about dairy. I remember you eating toast because you didn't want to offend someone. You are obviously not doing everything right FOR YOU. You can't keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Pick something you want to change, more/less fat, more/less protein, more/less carbs and stick to it for a month. I offer again to review your food logs with you. – sherpamelissa May 8 2011 at 3:38
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First, as a 40 year old female I think most Victoria's Secret models are built like 12 year old boys but opinions vary. Second, I'm not a P.h.D. but I think you aren't eating enough. 1600-1800 seems low for someone at 187 pounds. Remember to let go of the calories in/calories out paradigm. It is incorrect. Eat more fat.

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Well considering I don't have a "rack" so to speak, its probably the best I can do. I just want that size 2 waist... – Oranges13 May 7 2011 at 19:51
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I totally understand the wanting to lose weight and as another 40 year old woman maybe it's just a different way of thinking now but you should want to eat this way, and lose your weight so that you are healthier and live a long time. Who gives a rats ass about being a size 2 or looking like a VS model? You're too hard on yourself and causing yourself stress that doesn't help you if just being a size 2 is is your goal. Don't fixate on a size that doesn't even mean anything, clothing sizes aren't standardized so depending on where you shop a size 2 could be a size 8. Also I agree with Pam. – HeatherC May 7 2011 at 20:09
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I'll give you another angle to think about......25 yr old models are completely leptin sensitive and at peak hormone levels. They Are not special at all.....they are just at an optimal time in their life and you are already passed it. Can you get it back.....yep. Optimization is critical to this conundrum. Context is critical. – The Quilt May 8 2011 at 2:14
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Dr Mike Eades has a posting today regarding this issue in relationship to Gary Taubes' book WHY WE GET FAT AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT. http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/why-we-get-fat/

You basically have too much insulin in your system and it won't let the fat out of your cells. Your fat cells are insulin resistant.

You can make headway but you have to strictly follow the ketogenic program...unlike your BF who can make headway without such a strict protocal.

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I'd agree. Go keto at least for two weeks, maybe a month and then see where you're at. – ben61820 May 7 2011 at 21:03
I don't mean to hijack oranges13's thread, but I read that book; I eat 80% of calories as fat, I get 20-50 grams of carbs/day - occasionally more. I do NOT eat sugar or use artificial sweeteners. My only exercise comes from walking and biking, slowly, as transportation. I haven't lost a pound. I haven't been focused on weight loss, but I can only wonder -- what would I do if I really wanted to lose weight? – uwiniwin May 7 2011 at 21:33
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It is dissapointing to see that Dr Eades is still repeating this stuff. – Matt May 7 2011 at 21:40
You need to read Dr Mike's posting and or Taubes' book. If fat cells are insulin resistant, they will not open up to let the fat out of the cells and into the blood stream to be used for energy. Insulin drives fat into the cells and carries it out in folks that are not insulin resistant. Insulin resistant folks have a huge amount of insulin in the blood that is trying to put fat into the cells but can't because they are full and since the insulin is full of sugar/energy it can't pull out the fat out of the cells. – Dexter May 7 2011 at 21:46
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The only exercise I get is on a softball field 3x per week plus twice a week tabata windsprints for 5 minutes. I can tell you I still have a little pooch belly that I have been working on...left over from my huge wheat belly of three years ago. BTW I am 68 years old and abused by body mercilessly with 40oz cokes everyday for 30 years. Now I am taking care of myself so that my remaining time will be the best quality that I can have. No nursing home for me! Cal in/cal out metabolically doesn't work out unless you are in a concentration camp where you lose muscle mass as well as fat. – Dexter May 10 2011 at 4:40
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I strongly urge you to read the following two posts. Then read them again. And then read the comments.

http://www.archevore.com/panu-weblog/2009/8/27/how-to-lose-weight.html

http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2008/05/weight-loss-when-its-hard.html

It ain't easy. I struggle too. I need to drop another 50-60 pounds and I've been on a plateau for a while. But when I follow the advice above, it works. I basically have to go ketogenic to keep my blood sugar and insulin stable (meaning low enough) to lose fat.

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Dave - are you ketogenic now? If so, and you are strict, you can join a FB group called Stellar Health through Ketosis. It is a small good group. I am there, trying to shed! – Deidre May 8 2011 at 2:23
Great links :).. – Carly May 8 2011 at 16:16
Most days yes. Today I had a sweet potato - so not today! – Dave S. May 8 2011 at 19:30
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Don't compare yourself to your boyfriend unless you can see what his insides look like and see into the future to find out how he fares. Men too, hit brick walls, and women too, continually lose weight and reach their goals.

I got over my plateau recently and went down from a 12 to an 8 (so far) by including strength training. No, I don't look like a body builder, but the fat melted off to reveal the figure underneath that was previously shrouded in fat rolls. When I had problems with PCOS, I bulked up but didn't lose fat, but now, eating very low carb, I'm seeing muscle tone on a smaller body and not just mass on a big body.

I started eating less fish and more fatty meat and cut out all processed meat (including bacon). I go to bed earlier to get more sleep so my body recovers. I also am eating less fruits and vegetables. I need the muscle to increase insulin sensitivity and my overall metabolic rate. To stay strong, you have to eat more and not skip meals if you're hungry. I do some cardio work, like sprinting and jump roping, and mostly slow things like hiking, bike riding, resistance and strength training. I walk to the grocery store and carry heavy bags home. I do the strength training about 2-3 times a week for 15-30 minutes at a time, gradually increasing and broadening the workout. This includes things like body weight resistance exercises like push-ups and hatha yoga to small trips to a public weight room up a mountain nearby. I work 50 hours a week teaching ESL to young children so I don't have time to go to a gym after work. I work out a lot at home while my dinner is cooking/cooling/marinating.

I agree with everyone else that you should eat more - more protein and less carbs. If your body gets into the habit of starving early on and on a regular basis, it's going to want to hold onto fat for fuel. Eat the veggies you like but don't make them the bulk of your meals. Sometimes I just have mine in the morning with my eggs and don't eat them for lunch or dinner.

I found that in the beginning, when I was wearing a size 18/20 and weighing about 200 lbs., that trying to purposely eat more fat that wasn't incidental, like on the meat I was eating, wasn't helping. I was able to increase the fat as I reduced the carbs, but I ate when I was hungry, and ate until I was full and didn't count calories.

Keep in mind too that your body is healing on the inside and outside. Mine took a lot of work. My pancreas and thyroid adjusted and had to learn that the rest of my body wasn't ignoring them anymore. My hormones leveled out, and my body had to figure out what to do with the food I was eating that now could be used as fuel rather than poison to be neutralized. It also had to figure out what to do with all the extra energy I was giving it by eating more.

Weight loss doesn't always equal getting healthy (Medifast/bulimia). Your body may be warming the engines now for the big race so that before you know it, you'll walk out of Lane Bryant empty-handed and elated that everything is too big for you.

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Congrats on breaking your plateau. I went from an 18/20 at 220, to a 12/14 at 185, to a 10/12 at 145-150. I've been stuck in this range since January. My ideal is to fit a size 8 comfortably. I'm curious if you did any IF, to help you with your 12 to 8 breakthrough. I've been concentrating mastering the eat when you are hungry, stop when you are full: it's a challenge, to say the least. p.s. I have to say I resonate so much with the joy of knowing that nothing in Lane Bryant fits because it's too big. – HP May 18 2011 at 17:35
Congrats on the weight loss! I find that eating the protein and fat first then any vegetables makes me feel full faster.I did start doing IF usually after or before a workout, randomly, either skipping or putting off meals. I haven't fasted for an entire day yet. On days I might go for a big hike, I might just have dinner. It's been great though, not shopping in "big size" stores anymore and going shopping with the other teachers. – MimsySeoul May 18 2011 at 23:53
How long did it take, because I'm pissed off that I've been doing this for almost 4 months now and have seen basically zero progress. I still have 38+% body fat, I still weigh 190, I'm still wearing the same clothes. – Oranges13 Jun 7 2011 at 15:02
It took me about five months to go from an 18 to a 12, and then I hit a plateau for four months before I included strength training to drop to a 6 now. Are you still doing low calorie eating? – MimsySeoul Jun 7 2011 at 15:17
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If what you are doing (20-30% protein and 15-20% carbs) is not working, and you are exasperated, why don't you try something else? Up your fat to at least 70%, preferably 80-85% and see what your results are.
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Up your fat, lower your carbs. – Annie May 7 2011 at 20:11
He mentioned in the comments recently that he recommended a moderate carb with zero fructose diet now. – mari May 8 2011 at 0:44
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Start skipping breakfast and eat WAY bigger meals for lunch and dinner. Then add a couple times a week walk to your regiment.

Be sure to totally eliminate fructose.

Make sure you have good data: scales suck. Just do body fat analysis.

And remember, this is a slow and steady process.

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So is this a pretty decent list? mayoclinic.com/health/fructose-intolerance/… Sorbitol.. damn, I thought that was ok in small doses. – Oranges13 May 7 2011 at 20:17
Do I need to eliminate Tomatoes too?! – Oranges13 May 7 2011 at 20:20
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I'm not an expert here, but you might consider using coconut oil instead of butter or ghee for awhile. Also taking some coconut oil before meals (up to 2 tablespoons) could help with metabolism issues. I would not be afraid of fat, and definitely reduce vegetables to the bare minimum, and be careful of any sauces/condiments. I know that if I get any form of MSG it stalls out my weight loss.

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In the short run, you don't need veggies--we've just all been conditioned to think that a few meals without them will result in something close to death.

No one knows what will correct your problem and get your body to release fat--you'll probably need to experiment. Women seem to find it harder than men. I would suggest dipping frequently into ketosis (VLC/IF) as a first thing to try, along with lots of sleep, reduced stress (house hunting can be a real pain), walks, and occasional short bouts of very intense exercise. That might work very well for you. If not, you might need to try something else.

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i don't know if i agree about the not having veggies...i think veggies are very important to counter the acididy of meats...and they give you fiber. everyone needs fiber. i don't think you have to cut out veggies, but just my opinion! :) – Verena May 7 2011 at 21:30
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His point is entirely valid: you do not need vegetables. I went three months eating solely animal products. I love veggies and eat them daily now but if you want to try out serious ketosis then simply ditch the vegetables. Not that big a deal. – ben61820 May 8 2011 at 0:50
"acidity of meats" is not based in reality. – Ambimorph May 8 2011 at 23:00
Folks like the Inuit and the Maasai demonstrate that veggies are not necessary for health. I eat plenty of them myself, but then I don't have a weight loss stalling problem. – David Rourke May 11 2011 at 15:27
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I scanned all the previous answers and did not see this mentioned.. apologize if it was.

She is 187lbs and eating 1600-1800 calories.. sounds like she is starving her self imho.

Oranges13 why not spend 1-2 weeks eating till your full? I think purposefully trying to attain a deficit might be holding you back, eat 3 meals a day, breakfast lunch and dinner and eat till full. If you need a number id say you should be hitting around 2200 calories a day to be honest. You wont gain weight and probably boost your metabolism.

Also up your protein intake.

Good luck, stalls suck.

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I've heard it both ways. Eat more, eat less. Ugh, so confusing! Thanks for the input though. I just.. if I gain the 10 pounds back that I have lost I will be so miserable. – Oranges13 May 11 2011 at 23:22
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Like many said, you could go VLC for a month or so. At least give it a shot for two weeks or so. If you have that much weight to lose I'd say keto will help. Morning fasted walks will help. Then eat fat and meat for lunch and dinner with minimal veggies. I LOVE veggies and although they don't seem like they have carbs if you eat them like I do for dinner you can easily get 50-100 grams of carb down. Usually that's fine but if you're stuck, eliminate them. What's the worst that can happen?

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Relax, stop counting calories, throw away your scale, and eat more food.

Make sure that you're getting 8+ hours of really solid sleep in a pitch-black room every night. Limit stress as much as possible (like worrying too much about your scale weight).

Don't eat fruit or nuts.

EAT BREAKFAST! And lunch. And dinner. Protein and fat at every meal, and add leafy greens if you want them.

Walk around some, lift heavy things, and eat enough to fuel your activity level.

Did I mention you should throw away your scale? And I mean both the one you use on yourself and the one you use for your food... :)

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everyone says that but I don't think it works for everyone (Including myself.) – Aughra May 8 2011 at 0:52
Hasn't worked for me either. – g. May 8 2011 at 2:18
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Paleo has not helped me lose any weight either. I have 15 or so to go, and the scale just won't budge. I know that it is the best way to eat, so I am no way going back. I have horrible sleep, so I think that is part of my problem. – Deidre May 8 2011 at 2:22
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Are you chronically stressed? Is your boyfriend easygoing? Constantly elevated cortisol can compete with decreased insulin and lead to stalled, slowed, or even reversed fat loss, just depends on the strength of each signal and your sensitivities to each hormone. Both factors are genetic to some extent and may vary between you and your boyfriend, even given the same stress level, hence the varied results.

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I know, i know, i will get another down vote for this, but here is what i think...i would cut the bacon, and use only very little fat for cooking...also try to eat wild fish and grass fed meat ( i know its really expensive) whenever you can...good luck! :)

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That's basically what I'm doing. Using fatsecret.com it usually comes out to 20-30% protien, 15-20% carb (usually from veggies, etc), and the rest is fat. I'm not going out of my way to scarf down butter or anything but I do eat eggs frequently and I don't go out of my way to cut the fat off my steaks either. – Oranges13 May 7 2011 at 19:50
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What you are doing is not working. That's the problem. Go on VLC (my idea) or try someone else's idea, but don't keep doing what isn't working. – Annie May 7 2011 at 20:13
You got an upvote here. – mari May 7 2011 at 21:33
thanks, mari! :) – Verena May 7 2011 at 21:39
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I haven't lost a bit of weight, myself. It's not my Paleo raison d'etre, but nevertheless, IT WOULD BE NICE. I'm about 20-25 lbs overweight.

Your weight loss the first week was "water-weight". Sadly it'll come right back if you go back to your old ways.

I'm interested in the answers of others. I think they are going to say: Eat more fat, sleep more, cut the stress. Sigh. Shrug.

I still can't figure out if I should start running again, or not.

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I dont know if i buy into the more fat thing...i think (personal opinion :) ) a lot of veggies, natural lean meat and wild fish, plus fruit is the way to go! :) – verena May 7 2011 at 19:45
Less carbs, more fat, IMHO. – Annie May 7 2011 at 19:50
approx 80% of my calories come from fat. 3+ months, 0 weight loss. – uwiniwin May 7 2011 at 20:33
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@uwiniwin, then try something else. No one thing works for everyone. – Annie May 7 2011 at 22:39
@Annie - Agreed, no one thing works for everyone. I may try something else, but for now, I eat this this way for health reasons, not cosmetic ones. I knew everyone would tell Oranges to eat more fat, i just wanted to say that the standard paleo diet (?) has not affected my weight. – g. May 8 2011 at 1:45
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I saw in your above answer that you might not get enough sleep.

If I can't stress it enough, you need sleep. Cortisol production can seriously inhibit your weight loss.

I know, because I was there. Blackout blinds are now in my room, and I make sure to get at least 8-10 hours a night. More if I think I need it. I know that when I go on vacation next week I have an appointment with sleep, no alarm clock allowed. I'm thinking 15-16 hours each day :)

I also would recommend Robb Wolf's book the paleo solution if you haven't read it. He mentions alpha lineolic acid and l-carnitine deficiency, magnesium (fizzy stuff), plus the enzymes for food. I know I added them and I feel better.

I also made sure to cut out the bad stuff. No potatoes, no dairy (well, I eat butter, but will cut that out too if needed) in addition to all the normal stuff I should cut out, and focus on a gram of protein per lb of bodyweight, some veggies, and fat till I'm satiated.

I was at a stop for weightloss for the past 3-4 weeks or so, but am finally starting to see progress again. I'm not sure if it's one specific thing on the list, but I'm at least happy to see something happen.

Oh, and one final thing. A measuring tape would help more than a scale. At least then you could see if something is happening.

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Just thought I'd let you know that My plateau that lasted over a month finally went away. I'm really glad I stuck with it. I even cheated once and started having a half a sweet potato once a week (with brunch on Saturday's) and I've lost another 9 lbs in 3 weeks. Keep up with it. Don't give up. I was seriously considering giving up and going back to weight watchers and i'm glad I didn't. WW's always made me starving and zippy in a bad way.

Good luck!

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Still plateauing ... – Oranges13 Jun 7 2011 at 14:55
Sorry, Chica. That's rough. – Aughra Jun 7 2011 at 15:02

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