I'm generally against counting calories, grams of this or that or calculating various ratios. I figure that if I compose meals based on nutrient density, toxin load, satiety, and of course taste, it will all take care of itself. The result has been that I have felt great all the time without any problems.
That being said, I've been reading various proponents of an ancestral diet advocate what seemed like really low protein intakes. I decided to count up the number of grams of protein that I ate yesterday and I came up with the following:
6 scrambled eggs: 42g
1 sweet potato: ~4g
2 lbs of lamb (raw weight): 160g (!)
1/4 lb lamb liver: 23g
Now, if I were taking protein supplements or something I could just cut them out and it'd be a done deal, but this is real food here. I'm trying to wrap my mind around the simultaneous advocating of both an ancestral/paleo-type diet and a low meat intake. I don't think you can logically have it both ways. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that my ancestors would have eaten 2.5lbs of animal in a day. I'm not force-feeding myself at all, I'm just eating whole food 3x a day when I get hungry.
I keep reading that fat is never toxic but there's a pretty low threshold at which protein becomes toxic. So...do people eat a stick of butter for lunch or something? Yesterday was by no means meat-heavy for me; it was right about average. How could someone have a paleo-ish diet and not eat that much meat?
I had 66g via 2 liters of milk.
I've gone as high as 200-250g with red meat and eggs combo. Personally I think it's a mistake to eat that much protein as it creates skewed amino acid profile if your not eating other things besides muscles. Even then muscle meat compared to things like eggs and milk is sub par in my opinion.
I'm a professional athlete, I train run over 2-3 hours a day and additionally do hi weight low rep weight training. I can say for certain that I always feel best when I keep my protein down and keep the quality up.
Danny Roddy, the dude who wrote the healthy hair diet ebook, just wrote a post with some of Ray Peats ideas about tryptophan. Ray Peat gives me a hard on.
i usually have between 130 and 170 grams of protein a day. yesterday it came from eggs, grassfed beef steak, bacon, and some ground deer meat. maybe a total of 1-1.5 lbs of meat and 4 eggs. im 5'6, 140lbs, athletic build.... my average ratio is 60% fat, 25% protein, 15% carb.... this seems to work really well for me.
I'm at 50-70 grams per day, being a male at a bodyweight of 165.
In days of yore, when intensely bodybuilding and deadlifting 400+ pounds, I was at 180-200 grams.
But this seems more natural to me. I don't usually feel like gorging on meat in lieu of gorging on fat. I'd rather eat a ton of butter and cream and some fruit and tubers than lots of muscle meat.
And the Jaminets, Peter from Hyperlipid, and others advocate a lower protein intake. I believe part of the reason is the body's limited capacity above 200 grams to eliminate nitrogenous waste products efficiently. Also, your body (read: liver) does not absolutely love using protein for fuel, and I cannot see cavemen eating tons every single day of the year.
You ask how you could eat paleo and not eat as much meat. Two things come to mind.
Try falling back onto other high fat, non meat options. Macadamia nuts are the first thing that comes to mind, but other appropriate cheeses, oils, and tallows could also work.
Try to eat more greens and cruciferous vegetables. They provide a nice vehicle for the delivery of those other fats listed above (butter loves brocolli).
Travis, I have noticed similar issues. When I eat as much meat as I want, or feel like I need, it's clearly more than most recommendations whether it be the PHD, OD, what have you. I have tried the higer fat (over 200g), lower protein route (say 75-125g) only to feel weaker, slower and notice an increase in fat gain. When I go medium fat (50 - 150g) high protein, I feel stronger, more alert and have more energy.
I am 28 (M) Athletic build. Play soccer 2 times a week, heavy weights 3 times a week. 20-30 min walk daily.
I have been averaging 60 g per day over the last six weeks.
Started tracking my food in fiday pretty closely as I am trying to lose 10-15ish pounds while improving body composition.
This is putting me at 67f-18p-15c for ratios. I plan on sticking with that for another six weeks and then dropping to to 50g protein if I don't see any progress. I find it unlikely that small change will make a difference, but that would be the lowest range of protein for me that I have seen recommended. That should end up about a 65f-15p-20c ratio
I like to eat a lot of protein, and I can easily eat more than I need at one sitting. I have followed a higher protein diet for the most part for many years, so I am experimenting with lower protein to see if it makes a difference. Coming from an Atkin's type diet for many years this all seems like a bunch of micro management to me but I am keeping an open mind. Not tracking anything and eating all of the bunless burgers I wanted stopped working for me a while back :)
According to Fitday, I ate 213.6 g yesterday. My average over the last 2 months is 210.9 g per day. I too just eat 2 or 3 times per day, when I'm hungry. I'm also active with running, lifting weights, chasing my kids around, and household chores.
This is working for me and I'm unlikely to change it. I consume adequate amounts of fat too. I'm 5'10" and currently 187 pounds.
I probably have between 140-200g in a given day, I'm going to try to track a week, never done it before, but it'll give me a better idea of portions. I'm REALLY trying to stay under 1.5lbs of meat in a day(not counting eggs). Food is catching up to me though, haven't been able to run due to a knee injury, yet I haven't scaled back the calories.
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