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I am 21.. not currently enrolled in school and I am so lonely. I have been completely alone for like two years. My life is not fun.

We are social creatures.. Why me?

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im also glad no of the police here closed this......regardless of whether it is a question or not.....when someone needs a hack they need a hack and this kid needs a hack. Our goal in life is to help one another. Services to others is the rent we pay for our time here on earth.....Derrick you need to change your thoughts to then act upon them. When your gut tells you not to do something you need to go to rotary lunches, chrurch meetings, trade shows, go to a medical meeting, go to a museum, travel with old people, volunteer at a hospital. We need you in our network as much as you need us! – The Quilt Jun 14 2011 at 2:20
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It may not look like it on the surface, but this is a paleo question. Derrick is right that we are social creatures. We have a lot more to learn from our ancestors than just how to eat. – lunabelle Jun 14 2011 at 2:27
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Just applauding. Derrick, that's really honest and I'm glad you posted. I've had awfully lonely years in my life too. They sucked. And TheQuilt, that was a great response. – Rose Jun 14 2011 at 2:43
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I will say this.....you can all call Bullshit on me......what we think is more paleo than what we eat. And Derrick's question is at the core of what really is paleo or not. I am applauding his courage to put this out there because there will be hindreds that read this and feel his words. By posting this he is not not close to alone. He has made more friends here with this one question than he can imagine. Often our questions here are the virus we use to infect our fellow humans minds......and that is why I like this place. Derrick infected many of us. And we needed it. – The Quilt Jun 14 2011 at 3:20
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Derrick-- it may seem overwhelmingly difficult to be positive when times are hard. But if you keep trying your best, as cliche as it sounds, you will encounter people who care. Even though I'm a random internet person, you can be assured that I feel for you. It sucks feeling lonely when it seems like the rest of the world is having a grand ol' time. But situations are impermanent, and life is as unpredictable in a good way as it is in bad ways. – Kamal Jun 14 2011 at 4:25
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I'm 52 this summer and I wouldn't take back my youth for anything ... a lot of it was a royal pain in the ass. Women, work, life ... so much stuff that most of us don't figure out for a while.

You're still young. Life gets better. It will for you, too.

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Echoing the D3 recommendation... that stuff is amazing. It really just boosts your entire outlook on life, making you emotionally healthy so to speak, while a paleo diet does that as well as makes you physically healthy.

Beyond that, the hardest part is just getting out there and doing. It is so easy to just sit at home, be miserable, and say it's easier than going out and getting rejected or having to interact with people. I used to use the excuse that with me being a complete loner that I was, in essence, making myself stronger. In reality, all I was doing was making excuses.

I was lonely. All I wanted was a friend, someone to spend time with and someone to talk to. I put myself out there both socially in person and online and never got anywhere. I recently met a woman who is just absolutely head-over-heels for me and I feel the exact same way about her, and I owe it to these things:

Take risks. Put yourself out in situations that you normally would feel uncomfortable in. See a beautiful (wo)man? Approach them, talk to them. So what if you come off as awkward... some (wo)men think it's cute. See something you want to try? Do it. Say YES more than you say NO.

Be confident. Even if you don't feel it, act it anyways. I had the unfortunate tendency to over-thinking everything and never being sure of myself. Decide on a course of action, do it, stick to it, and be sure of why you're doing it. Even if things don't go your way, at least you tried and you learned something from it. If you're doing, you're learning from your experiences, and that's the most valuable thing in life.

Appreciate people. Go out of your way to make people feel special, and they'll return the favor. Remember their names to start and then use their names. People really like seeing and hearing their names, Derrick. Remember things they've told you. Ask them how they're doing, or specific things about them. Listen, be attentive, be interacting, and show people that you actually care about what they have to say.

Try new things. Do absolutely anything new where you have to interact with people. Take a motorcycle riding class at the community college. Find a weekend fitness class in the park to take part in. Just get out there and learn the fine art of interacting with people. Online dating is really popular and works. Just put yourself out there but don't get discouraged, it won't happen overnight.

I hope I've helped, even though it feels and looks like I've just written a self-help book.

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Join a community garden. You'll meet like minded people and help grow healthy organic food. You can also volunteer in a school or a soup kitchen. My husband and i personally met people by, don't laugh, table top gaming and My husband LARPs. Sure it's dorky but you meet a lot of really interesting, smart people. We serve healthy food at our d&d games. Good cheese, dried Italian sausage, veggies, etc. It's not all mountain dew gluggling basement trolls.

Also try meetup.com. You can find all sorts of groups to join by your interest. There are religious groups, athiest groups, real foodies, paleo, Rock climbers, dog lovers. All sorts of stuff. Get out of your house and meet people!

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+1 just for admiting to gaming...it is way to fun – Eazine Jun 14 2011 at 2:02
My husband works on video games for a living. I'd be a very bored wife if I didn't enjoy and admit to enjoying gaming. ;-) – Aughra Jun 15 2011 at 2:44
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I would encourage you to supplement with Vit D3 at 10000IU a day for a couple of months..then back off to 5,000IU per day. This is not really a vitamin, but a hormone and it does wonders in changing one's outlook on life.

In addition, just the elimination of sugar and wheat products can assist you in becoming gregarious.

You have to change your thoughts to change your condition. And trying to change your thoughts will only succeed in trying to change your thoughts. You must arrive at thought change. There is no try, there is only do...to quote a short little green creature with pointy ears.

If you continue to talk about being lonely, guess what you get...being lonely. Change your thoughts.

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You may think this is going to sound very Pollyana, but..to change your thoughts a lot of times it helps to change your immediate atmosphere...for instance, if you're watching depressing shows, reading sad things (like news), etc. that can really make life sucky. When i'm feeling icky (and believe me, i'm no stranger to depression) I watch things like puppy videos, funny movies, silliness in general. While it's not good to STAY on the computer, it's a place to start since you're ON the computer. hope that makes sense. Silly? maybe..but it works. – Karin Jun 14 2011 at 2:26
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One step at a time - start with the vit D, including going outside whenever you can. Pay attention to any positive feelings or thoughts you have, write them down. Choose funny and fun whenever you can, like Karin says. It's not about 'trying' to change your thoughts, it's about choosing to pay more attention to the good ones than the bad, and taking every opportunity to create good ones. – Jac Jun 14 2011 at 2:32
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First, you become AWARE of them and catch the negaive self-talk as it occurs and QUESTION it. An example is catatrophizing, which alot of us do. "Oh, I'll never be able to do that!" Start looking at all the messages you are feeding yourself. Reality: "Gordo, Dingledorfer and Bagelbrain all learned how to do that. IF I put the effort in to get the skills I need, I can do it too." – Atkins-witha-loincloth Jun 14 2011 at 2:35
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And this is merely in response to the question of "how do you change your thoughts?", I'm not making any assumptions about the thoughts you may or may not have. That said, we all have thoughts we could do without, and learning to observe your own mind is a valuable practice for anyone. – tartare Jun 14 2011 at 3:13
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I say be careful with the vit D. Taking 1000IU daily, I started having serious trouble breathing after 1 week. I stopped a month before retrying it to confirm,.. definitely was it. – parasitius Jun 14 2011 at 23:11
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I used to somewhat be in the same boat as you. I chose to be anti social because of the trouble that my now awesome brother got in during high school and college years while I was in middle school and then early years of high school.

It sucked ass. I went out occasionally but hated it. I was 100% against drinking of any kind.

My life has taken a complete 180 since going Primal 14 months ago. It's amazing.

I am doing everything I can to not only grow the primal community but to bring it closer together as well. Primal Con changed my life in that it made me realize how important community is.

Derrick,

May I ask you where you live? Just city, state? There is no question that there are dozens of "cavemen" living within 20 miles of you. It's tough to find them but they are there. I have a primal meetup group list on my blog and will be updating it soon. It's possible there is already one near where you live. If not, I am sure I can find someone to create one where you live soon.

I'd be glad to help.

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@Primal Toad: Props to you for honesty and extending a real hand... – Atkins-witha-loincloth Jun 14 2011 at 2:37
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I live in Atlanta, Georgia! – Derrick Rose Jun 14 2011 at 3:19
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paleohacks.com/questions/19298/… Derrick, this is a thread about paleo meetups in Atl. And this is a search for Primal paleo in ATL google.com/… I feel confident you will find a group. It will be hard, but you have friends here and you will have friends in ATL. – Dexter Jun 14 2011 at 4:36
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/Oh man I totally relate. I've become a hermit due to some bad circumstances and it is not easy to just go out and meet people. Once you're in such a state it just festers. But eating well and some meditation has provided me what I need to get out. Sometimes I'm so scared of what people will think of me but just getting into crowds is a great small step. Really start to turn your self loathing around. For every negative thing you think immediately think of something positive even if you don't really believe it. I love the idea of gaming or even going to church. I'm not religious but the universalists have some kick ass activities. A paleo meetup is an awesome idea too. Don't push yourself. Take small steps. Make a point to say hello to one person a day and build on it little by little.

So glad you reached out. That is a huge step you just took.

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To feel that you are part of a tribe/clan or group that accepts you, supports you and also relies on you is as essential for your health as is eating Paleo. Humans are, indeed social creatures. To be part of some sort of clan(s) is genetically-required for health and is no less (nor more) important than "eating paleo." Your thoughts and emotions about your life situation have just as profound an effect on your body's cellular environments as does your physical activity and diet.

"99% of the time humans have lived...we’ve lived in groups of 12 to 36 people..."-Margaret Mead

http://books.google.com/ebooks/reader?printsec=frontcover&output=reader&retailer_id=android_market_live&id=fZka5w4AxnMC&hl=en

If you want to "live paleo" you have got to "find your tribe(s)".

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+1 for "If you want to "live paleo" you have got to "find your tribe(s)". – kinetic Jun 14 2011 at 2:35
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I would do anything to be a part of a "tribe"... anything. – Derrick Rose Jun 14 2011 at 3:20
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I definitely believe in the cellular environment thing because I am only 21 and I have a lot of white hairs.. stress for two years I guess has really had an effect on me. :( – Derrick Rose Jun 14 2011 at 3:23
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Try sitting down and doing a very honest, written self assessment. Beyond your feelings what are your thoughts about yourself. I am a great believer that negative self judgements precede most negative, fearful feelings. Self talk is very, very important and whether we are aware of it or not, we are engaging in self talk all the time.

Try to step back from yourself and utilize an observing self, or what I sometimes call a "watchman." Sit your "watchman" on your shoulder and take a good look at you, though his eyes. Write what you see, feel, etc.

Write what makes you happy - what you enjoy - what gets you going and fired up, or what you imagine would. Imagine activities and situations you'd like to be in. What are they? What is stopping you from becoming a part of these situations/activities?

What are your strenghts? What inherent strengths do you have that could be developed further? IF you draw a blank and genuinely feel like you don't know, consider checking with the nearest community college's learning center. They can do all kinds of apptitude/interest testing that can give you some clues.

Take a good honest look at what you are doing in your life. You are not enrolled in school and you do not mention work. How are you spending your days? How are you living?

If you do not currently feel motivated to attend school, perhaps you need more experiece in life and with other people to learn more about yourself and what your interests and strenghts are. Consider checking out national programs like Americorps/VISTA, which has programs - thousands - in all areas, all over the country. You make a commitment, they pay you a living allowance/stipend, and you come out after a year with lots more self knowledge/confidence, $5,500.00 to apply toward schooling of your choice, health insurance for the year you are with them, mentoring/training in the program of your choice, and many colleges/unis that are interested in AMericorps alums and give you a tuition break and a number that have matching programs. And of great importance is that you work in an important job which helps/provides skills to others. There are also many workplaces, including many non-profits that are very interested in alums.

Here's a place to start: http://www.americorps.gov/

It sounds like you are pretty down. You need to know that things can change and that you can change them. Will it take effort and risk. Yes. But it all starts by wanting that change and mustering up the willingness to take action. Take_a_step. And_then_another.

My best to you and making the change you are seeking and finding the support in the process that will be helpful to you. Good on you that you had the courage to put your stuff out here. ;) (You see, THAT is a strength right there..;) )

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Upvote for the thought writing. I did that and it took a huge burden off me and I learned things about myself that were surprising. – baconbitch Jun 14 2011 at 3:01
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Do some volunteering in an area that interests you. Join a meet-up group. Join a summer sports league. There are many ways to meet new people other than school.

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If I may make a few book recommendations:

Read any two.

I'm not saying you're depressed, but you don't need to be a professional chef to enjoy a cookbook...

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I don't know that anybody here can solve your situation, but hope you meet some nice people soon.

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We can all help solve our problems......if we allow it. – The Quilt Jun 14 2011 at 3:22
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How's your food intake been? I know you've been really hard on yourself in the past couple of weeks with the food in your parents' house tripping you up. I know when I get into those yoyo sort of circumstances my mood is always altered. Things that I could have easily taken in stride one day really weigh on me the next. It makes things terribly difficult.

I know that doesn't really answer your question, per se, but sometimes just being conscious of potential cause and effect can make all the difference.

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Definitely... :(. I can't seem to control myself with the diet. I have felt for a while that once I start eating paleo 100% of the time for months it will become a habit. From there I can move on to bigger things. I can't seem to get over the hump. It really keeps me down to be honest. I can't seem to go over a week on Paleo before I BINGE because I am lonely or bored or what ever. – Derrick Rose Jun 14 2011 at 3:27
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I felt that way too—like once I'm 100%, everything will fall into place—which is why I've stuck with eating this way for the last eight months despite nothing to show for it. I went ZC at the beginning of the month though and for the first time I'm noticing something for my effort. You mentioned in another answer that after 3 or 4 days, you totally just binge. Going ZC I did the same thing! Except I binged on fat and protein and I think it made a huge difference. 11 days in and snack food doesn't even sound appealing. It sounds empty. I never in a million years thought that possible. – kinetic Jun 14 2011 at 5:46
Maybe if you can get to that four day mark and just binge on the good stuff, with no limit, it might do the trick. If nothing else, perhaps it'll break you of the habit of eating just to eat, which I know is one of the hardest things to conquer. – kinetic Jun 14 2011 at 5:49
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This is the key answer to me. I had a mood disorder all my adult life. People who think you can solve that just by thinking are naive. Cognitive-behavioural therapy techniques could only help me get from mostly okay to okay. Once I was lower than that it was next to useless. The only thing that made clear dramatic difference for me is going ZC. I've been off medication for 2.5 years now and happy, after decades of misery. – Ambimorph Jun 14 2011 at 14:20
What is ZC? Zero carb? – mel2703 Jun 14 2011 at 14:54
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This question and all the sweet and helpful answers just made me join up.

Keep posting Derrik.

And, pick five of your favorite things listed in these answers. Do them and report back.

Although, personally, I believe you should start with the nutrition advice. That will make a huge difference.

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Get off the internet and meet people - try enrolling in school.

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It's not always that easy. I know this, because now, at 40, after thinking I had at least the next five years figured out, it all fell apart. School, even though it can be enlightening and bring new amazing people into one's life, also = student loan debt. And frankly, since I live in a small town, I get more emotional support from the internet than I do locally. Sometimes "solutions" like this that sound simple aren't actually practical. – Rock_Paper_Shirley Jun 14 2011 at 4:44
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When I moved to FL I went through many years of being lonely because I had no community, and I'm just a little (a lot) too weird to blend in to the most obvious places. When I moved back here, I ended up experiencing a different kind of loneliness, while being surrounded by people, but none who understood me.

In the long run, all of that pain made me stronger. In retrospect, I wish I had used more of that time and energy feeling lonely by doing more research about all kinds of things, and just learning in general. If you think college interests you, even a class or two at a community college, go for it. The times in FL I made the most friends was when I was in community college. Many of the friendships didn't last, but they sure enriched the time in a good way, and kept my intellect churning.

Hang in there. Music always helped me a lot. I like the idea of getting involved in a community garden if you have one around. You also have us, Derrick Rose.

Know that you are like a caterpillar who will eventually emerge into something even more special. The down side is that means you will expect more from your friends and surroundings, but the upside is that you will become a greater and more developed YOU.

Just keep working on whatever it means to be the best YOU that you can be...

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Make an effort to go out and meet people. You'll fail at least as often as you succeed, but the successes will be very worthwhile for you, it seems like. Could you try enrolling in school? Working? Pursuing a hobby? Practice makes perfect, and that goes for social skills too. Get out there and take some risks. I'm pretty introverted myself, so I can understand this is hard, but sometimes you just gotta do it.

Also, are you by any chance an INTJ personality type?

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The more I think about this, the more I think a group is the right way to go. Joining, say, a crossfit gym or a tennis clinic would not only provide opportunities to socialize, but its an atmosphere where you're welcome and others are likely to reach out to you. It was hard for me to make new friends at school when I moved, but I made friends almost instantly at tennis just because of the nature of it. When I made new friends at school, it was within a particular group, which helped because everyone was more accepting and open. – mari Jun 14 2011 at 11:34
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Are you interested in any hobbies? Meetup.com has a lit of groups in your area that meet for certain interests like hiking, cycling, gaming, etc.

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I would add...

Join the army/navy/marines. Or join a martial arts gym!

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Part of me wants to join the marines.. because it will make me stronger.. I just don't like the whole war aspect. – Derrick Rose Jun 14 2011 at 3:50
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What about the Coast Guard? – Eric Jun 14 2011 at 5:27
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I think the martial arts gym idea is great, or a CF gym, or a team. – Ben Jun 14 2011 at 12:40
Eric and Ben, great ideas! – gilliebean Jun 14 2011 at 12:53
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man i can't recommend enough joining a good, supportive brazilian jiu jitsu school. if it's the right school with an encouraging atmosphere, it can feel like a second family in no time. plus the sort of workout you get and mental sharpening (think chess) – JoeBranca at paleoplusone.com Jun 14 2011 at 18:05
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You could look into "event and adventures" http://www.lotsofevents.com/EventCalendar/about It is designed as a dating service but it looks like it has lots of fun outings planned and it could be a easy way to meet other people that are also interested in meeting other people.

Don't give up! You will find your tribe it will just take some time. But the good stuff is worth the wait!

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Unfortunately the world has become a lonely place with people choosing to text, email etc. rather than have real conversations in person. I think everyone is affected.

You might want to start each day with a journal with some positive affirmations. Start looking for things that are right in your life and you'll see more.

You'll also have to put yourself in the uncomfortable position of reaching out to people (like you did with your post,) and perhaps suffer some rejection…but the upside is you'll also meet some new friends.

Crossfit gyms are amazing sources of new like minded friends if you can afford one, and the meet up groups someone mentioned are great.

Just know there are people who are just as lonely as you are who are waiting for YOU to reach out to them.

Hang in there, this too shall pass.

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I'm not sure texting, emailing, etc. are really so bad. Oftentimes they can be a supplement to in-person relationships. There are some people who take it to the extreme, of course, and text etc. to the exclusion of all else, but I don't think that's the majority. Also, it sounds like he really needs someone to connect with right now, and he doesn't have someone from either real life or technology. – mari Jun 14 2011 at 11:28
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I think all the texting emailing and facebook is catching up with us in lots of (anti)social ways. Technology seems to make it ok to not participate in the face to face, and to not have to feel that we are lonely. We fool ourselves that we have lots of connections spending time online, but it is ultimately hollow imo. Though there may be benefits for connecting with strangers online, in a kind of community, I need my daily face to face with people I know or want to know. PS not saying I hate online, I love it as much as anyone, but I see a realistic downside to it at times. – wood Jun 14 2011 at 14:05
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Exactly Laura…Mari when I see kids walking down the street together with their Starbucks in one hand and each of them texting on their cell phones and behaving as if the other kids aren't there, it disturbs me. That's the sort of anti-social I mean. Of course internet and Facebook and the like is great for some connection but there is nothing like the real thing. – Rebecca Jun 14 2011 at 17:00
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I had a few bad years myself and was quite depressed. I was fortunate to have a good supportive family but tended to isolate myself from them and the few friends I kept in touch with. I then took the advice of one of my friends who stuck with me and joined a CrossFit gym. I met a lot of great people, one of which was a minister at a local Methodist church. I started showing up at his church (even though he never even asked or indicated I should attend), and then I had two places where I knew that people cared about me - the CrossFit gym and the church. CrossFit is not for everyone, and church/religion can sound cliche, but they are both options. Ultimately, people care about you (see the posts on this site). You just need to get out of the isolation and go find them. I'm the healthiest I have been in years thanks to the friends I've found at these places.

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Derrick,

I'd second a lot of the recommendations here, but especially volunteering. First, it's free (well, except maybe public transport to get to wherever). Second, there are all sorts of studies showing that helping other people will literally make you happy. Third, it will get you into a new environment, where you get to be yourself in a new way and that might really help you to be who you really want to be in all the areas of your life. Check to see if Atlanta has a Volunteer Center, that serves as a clearinghouse for opportunities. Do you go to church or have any interest in that? There are always lots of volunteer opportunities there. Or you could probably just show up at any nursing home or animal shelter and say you want to volunteer and they'd be thrilled.

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Not socializing will drive anybody crazy. I have first-hand experience.

Anyway, why not find somewhere else to socialize if you don't go to school? That's not the only place people socialize, ya know.

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Try enrolling in college or atleast some classes. Also give Meetup.com a look.

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I recommend meetup.com – Primal Toad Jun 14 2011 at 2:12
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Derrick,

I would encourage you to find a group of people in your community that will have a postive influence on your life. It could be a church. It could be volunteering to help handicapped children ride horses. It could be almost anything.

Your time and talents can make a real diffrence in other peoples lives. This is also a good place to work with and meet other people.

Wishing you all the best - Eric

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If you can find some kind of group, be it a class, or religious community, or volunteering ar the local Ronald McDonald House, you will meet others who will become important to you. We did evolve as social beingS, and it is very impotant to find others with whom to spend time. Look into some of the Meet-up groups you can find online, or start one. I grew up in the back-of-beyond and I wouLd be so lonesome in summers, so I hope you are in a more urban/suburban setting. You won't regret making the effort.

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Derrick,

You might want to try Seth Robert's protocol of watching faces in the morning for improving mood. The basic idea is that watching faces in the morning pushes a few evolutionary buttons and we end up feeling better the next day. I've tried it and it seems to work pretty well. Obviously, I'd much prefer pushing those evolutionary buttons with actual humans, but I suspect this sort of improvement helps me get closer to making those relationships possible.

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Meeting people and making friends is easy, just like paleo is easy as Nike says 'just do it'. We choose how/why we act, no one else has that power over us.

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If it was easy, Derrick would be doing it already. – Jac Jun 14 2011 at 2:28
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If it was easy, the whole world would be one happy, contented place. – Rock_Paper_Shirley Jun 14 2011 at 4:45
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It is easy / simple to do, the trouble is we humans have a tendency to make simple things complex, just look at history lol. We tend to over think things, ignore the obvious, we look to technology for fixes that are right infront of us provided naturally. We know innately how to live Life but we are easily lead astray in today's World. – Josh M Jun 14 2011 at 14:48
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Read EndGame.

It WILL change your life.

http://www.attractioninstitute.org/book/endgame

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or you could get over yourself...

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I guess Charlie thinks he is a hard ass. You sound like you are 15 years old. – Derrick Rose Jun 14 2011 at 2:06
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-7 that is like a record. I never seen that low a negative number until I saw my divorce settlement. – The Quilt Jun 14 2011 at 3:23
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Charlie this keeps up and you may have a negative PH rating and get your badges taken away...... – The Quilt Jun 14 2011 at 4:13
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This comment is so insensitive. Just look above at the community we have and at how much support is there for someone who has the courage to put themselves out there. I don't have the rating to down vote you but here it is....DOWNVOTE! – Laura Jun 14 2011 at 11:20
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There might be a kernel of wisdom here ... many professionals recommend that instead of staying home feeling sorry for yourself, you should get out there and do some volunteer work -- feeling sorry for someone else will do wonders for your own mood! – Meng Weng Wong Jun 15 2011 at 4:36
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