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6 months in and i have lost 40 plus pounds but I find that I seem stalled in terms of adding muscle mass. I fear that I may have even lost some muscle mass due to a reduction in strength I am noticign since being on the diet.

Any thoughts on ways to reverse this?

While i want to be lean I am trying to uncover the muscle that I created before going paleo, not watch it fade away with the fat even though I continue to lift 4-5x a week.

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Your hormones are likely the issue. If your lost 40 lbs you need to assess cortisol levels because if the high they can shut off GNRH (testosterone production) and you will never gain muscle mass. The other effect is it increases your rev T3 and your weight loss will stall. Very common reason for plateau's. Infact the most common reason I see. – The Quilt Jun 16 2011 at 0:40

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You should be eating 1 gram of protein for every pound of LEAN BODY MASS... not present body mass. That would be maybe 200 grams of protein in your case. And even that is on the higher end of the scale. It could be as low as 150-ish.

Make sure you are getting enough carbs post workout. They are not the enemy. Starchy veggies will help you replenish your glycogen and you will see better results in the gym. Gluconeogenesis takes 12-24 hours at least to start to replenish glucose, if you're doing a hard effort 4-5x per week, you may be pushing harder than you can recover [over training.] Try dialing back your workouts, maybe 3x per week with your recovery days being actual recovery days not just "reduced effort" days. Do this for a couple of weeks and you should see an improvement in best efforts.

So to recap: Eat carbs from good sources. Give yourself a chance to recover. Dial back your protein if you have to so that you dont squeeze out other macronutrients.

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Ack, exactly the same thing I was about to type. :) – James Jun 15 2011 at 16:14
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Chris,

Cut to your ideal weight first. If you say your ideal weight is 205, and you are at 217 right now, go another 12 pounds. This will allow you to start at 'ground zero'. Trying to lose fat and add muscle mass at the same time is possible (i know, cause I did it) but it's slow going and you have to be super dedicated. Also, your body has to be willing to accept that. Mine was, but yours may not be. Your body might be 'confused'. In other words... it may be asking itself, should be adding or shedding?

To repeat myself... I would get as cut as your comfortable with first. Then build muscle from there. This way, your body knows that you have entered muscle building mode. Then keep the high quality protein intake high like LB mentions in his answer.

Personally, I think eggs, beef, starch, and high quality pure whey protein or whole milk (if you are willing to eat dairy) is the surefire way to gain muscle.

I'm a hardgainer, but slowly and surely, I continue to add muscle week after week. I started at 163, then bottomed out at 148. Now I am at 156 and moving back upward. My goal is to return back to my original weight (of when I began my new eating program back in Aug 2010). But this time, I will be ripped and lean at 163, trading fat for muscle.

I've learned to not be in a hurry to 'get there' and instead just take it day by day and stick to the plan.

Cheers :)

Oh also, I just thought of something else. How are you lifting? If you want to gain strength (sounds like you are disappointed and have hit a plateau or even began going backwards) then I would recommend making sure that you rep to complete failure every time and don't do too many reps.

What I do is 2-3 sets of 5-6 reps per excercise. As soon as I am able to do 6 reps of any given weight, I increase the weight next time and power through at least 5 reps. Most people don't know that often times that last ONE single rep that feels impossible is where all the muscle/strength is gained. This is because that's when your fast twitch type 2b muscle fibers are recruited to participate the most. This is what 'breaks down' your muscles. Then, in the repair process, it builds it better and stronger.

Last Aug, I began with reps on the bench press of 5-6 reps of 160lbs (my body weight). Now, I do 5-6 reps of 280, and can likely max at twice my weight (I haven't maxed out in months so I really don't know). I'm not trying to sound like a muscle head bragging about my bench press (such a stereotypical thing to do I know). Im saying that this is what is working me.

Ok I think that's enough,

Cheers for real this time. :)

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I like your answer Jack, but I'm personally not a fan of "to failure" workouts. The lift that you fail on usually has such poor form that it raises the risk of injury. In the past, every time I've been injured lifting it was at the end of a "to failure" set that ended up with terrible form. – TomInTexas Jun 15 2011 at 16:11
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Hmmm. I see what you mean. but isn't that just "operator error"? lol. That sounds so mean. I don't mean it like that. I guess I hust think that the concept is still valuable, but you gotta keep good form, else you could get injured. Personally, I lift on a leverage type Powertec system with free weights, so probably it's easier for me to have good form than someone in a standard gym with typical free weight setups. But anyway, gaining is tough stuff, and if repping to failure is a tried and true method, then I think learning how to do it right is still a worthwhile effort. – Jack Kronk Jun 15 2011 at 16:17
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Jack,k thanks for the thorough answer. I have one follow up and this really applies to all three answers that I have received (thanks to all) the phrase "good carbs". What in your or whomever else cares to answer would fall into this category? I have fallen into that newbie Paleo spot of avoiding carbs as much as possible and this includes post workout. Please be specific as to what you eat please. Thanks again for the answer. – ChrisO Jun 15 2011 at 16:22
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hey you know what, come to think of it, i suppose I don't actually rep to failure. I think I am saying the wrong lingo. Your comment above made me realize this. "The lift that you fail on..." I don't ever actually fail on a lift. I complete the rep. I just make sure that the last rep I do is definitely the very last rep I can do. What is that called? I am going to call it "Repping to Maximum Success" haha. – Jack Kronk Jun 15 2011 at 16:23
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ChrisO - starches like potatoes, sweet potatoes, yams, white rice. also, whole fruits, maybe a bit of raw honey, but the starch is where you get your bulk of carbs. Your body essentially turns the starch to glucose. It's quite different than eating sugar, which is half fructose. And even more different than eating/drinking fructose heavy items. some people find that they have to lay off the starchy items in order to get cut. Honestly I could give yo a canned answer of how to eat, but you are gonna have to experiment and find what you respond to best. – Jack Kronk Jun 15 2011 at 16:28
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Add lots of carbs. This is apparently a frequent problem on this diet. I lost 50 pounds off of my deadlift while I was eating strict Paleo! Don't worry you will soon recuperate your losses if you add back in the carbs. By carbs, I mean potatoes, tubers, fruit, dairy, rice...any or all of the above.

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adding and maintaining muscle on any dietary plan is for the most part dictated on your protein intake.

it's very hard to add muscle while leaning out but it's relatively easy to maintain while leaning out if you're doing adequate strenth training and eating protein at maintenance levels- ~1g/1pound of lbm

gaining muscle on paleo is easy if you are overeating with a lot of protein and starch. being able to do it without adding alot of bodyfat- now therein lies the rub...

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Thanks Lucky, but this brings up another question. I avoid starch like the plague on this diet. Also my ideal weight would probably be 205 and I am at 217 so that is 217 grams of protein a day. I find it hard to eat that much protein EVERY day, wouldnt you? – ChrisO Jun 15 2011 at 15:39
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if u want to maintain, i'd say get in at least 200g a day. starch is not your enemy. start going mildly cyclical ketogenic- eat starch post workout and pay attention to your weight to see if it affect it over a period of weeks. starch pwo can do amazing things for dropping that stubborn bodyfat by raising leptin levels... – luckybastard Jun 15 2011 at 15:56
1 gram/pound of LEAN body mass. Not your bodyweight. You may be 217 pounds, but your lean bodymass could be 170. – James Jun 15 2011 at 21:20
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I would recommend cutting back on your lifting. Go down to maybe three times a week, with your training being more high intensity. When you lift, how many reps do you do? You should be doing five sets of five. If you can do more than 5-7 reps of an exercise at a certain weight, you need to up the weight in order to gain more. If you can't do 5 reps, lower the weight a little. More info here: http://stronglifts.com/how-to-build-muscle-mass-guide/

Are you doing squats? Do you sprint? Try more exercises that use your whole body. Find a hilly field and pretend you're hunting. :)

Arthur De Vany is a huge proponent of working out less. He's in his mid-70's and approximately 200 pounds. His body is less than 8% body fat. Check out his book The New Evolution Diet for more thoughts on this. It aligns with what our ancestors did--make a big kill and then lazy around for a while.

Do you do cardio/long distance training? If so, I would cut that out, as it is working against your muscle gaining. If you're set on doing cardio of some sorts, do HIIT (high intensity interval training) instead. Outside of it being proven as a more effective method, it also emulates our ancestral patterning as well.

Best of luck!

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Another way that hasn't been mentioned yet... and this really works wonders.

Your LBM x 15-20...start around 16 = your calories/day

Use your www.fitday.com account to plan your meals along these lines. Shoot for 1g protein /lb of bodyweight (a little less is fine though as long as at least 35% of your calories are from protein) Don't be afraid to eat fat...a lot of it, about 60% of your calories will come from fat.

Keep the carbs low for 5 or 6 days straight. (below 30g)

Then one day (the day before your heavy day) eat "safe starches" with every meal and the first meal the next morning... i.e. tubers like sweet potatoes or even white potatoes. If you must delve into grains...choose brown rice over white, white rice over wheat, and so on... but it can easily be done with tubers.

On your carb up day you will eat 1g of carbohydrate for every pound of LBM, keep the fat high and the carbs high, don't worry about protein...it will take care of it's self for these meals.

This way of eating works the best with 5x5 since it has a heavy day, a light day, and a medium day with plenty of scheduled days off (nice for cardo to keep the gains lean).

If you are't gaining...recalculate with 17 cals/lb of lbm...then 18... and so on until you are gaining lean muscle with minimal fat gains.

This plan works for burning fat too...just set your calories between 10 and 15 per pound of LBM.

I've never seen this fail for anyone who actually applied it as designed and stuck with it.

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why the recommendation of brown rice over white rice? And why carbing up before the heavy day? – sean Jun 19 2011 at 18:04
Generally, I don't recommend rice at all. But of all the grains, rice is the least harmful. so if one is "cheating" then rice is better than wheat or even worse...corn. Why brown rice over white? Brown is less processed and more nutritious. Why carb loading before heavy day? 1g of carbohydrate holds 4g of water. Glycogen and water filled muscles are stronger. By using this one day for carb loading we stay in a fat burning metabolism all week, and the one day of carb loading isn't enough to take us out of it and put us back into a sugar burning one...but it is enough to load our cells – Andy Jun 23 2011 at 14:59
with glycogen and water, making them stronger, allowing us to lift heavier. Heavier lifting means more strength...more strength means more muscle. More muscle means more metabolically active tissue and over time...less body fat. – Andy Jun 23 2011 at 15:00
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I'll echo some of the other answers here. I'm a hardgainer but have absolutely no trouble gaining muscle on paleo. I went from 200 to 165 when I started paleo and now I'm back up to 180 with no increase in fatness, so it's gotta be muscle.

Generally you want tons of protein, some PWO carbs to repleat your muscle glycogen. I'm doing about 5000 calories a day, 3000 from fat, and my only carbs are 2oz of grapefruit juice with breakfast and a sweet potato PWO.

My guess is that you're probably lifting too much. I lift heavy only once a week. The rest is metcons or rock climbing. One week my heavy lifting is 5x5's at about 85% (Squats, Press, Deadlift). The next week my heavy lifting is 3x3 at 90% (Cleans, Snatch, Squats). You need time for the growth hormones and muscle repair to do their work. Once I cut down on volume and increased the weight the muscle just started packing on.

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Miked - Ian should have put his comment (see the answer below) here. I'm commenting on his behalf so you see it. – sean Jun 19 2011 at 18:07
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Miked.

I'm a very hardgainer. Please tell me a daily example of your diet of 5000 cals please

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Ian - Welcome to the site. Please don't much up the answers with questions. You can add a comment/question to Miked under his question, as I did on your behalf. – sean Jun 19 2011 at 18:08
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Ian, glad Sean added the comment to my question to that I would look for your reply. I haven't actually counted calories or anything for about 2 years, I've just gotten good at eye-balling it and knowing what I'm eating. But I made a sample day of my food and put a picture here (sites.google.com/site/themikelinks/figures/…). Generally it's eggs+bacon for breakfast. Big hunk of meat and veggies for lunch. Another big hunk of meat plus fatty sauce for dinner. – miked Jun 20 2011 at 15:19
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Miked,

I'm new to this site and came across your post. What program/site is the above screen capture from? I'm looking for an easy "calculator" that I can track my nutritional intake. I was heavy lifter for 30+ years. I became bored and overweight, 285 and discovered CrossFit 2 years ago. I went from the Zone to Paleo about 6 monhs ago and I'm a lean 207. I have lost some strength and muscle mass so now I want to maintain my bodyfat and up my strength/muscle again.

Thanks, Mike

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I took a look at miked's food chart thing. it makes me want to start eating chocolate... but why no raw milk?? i like it better than heavy cream but to each his own.

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