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First off, I have been Paleo for over a year now. I've realized when I am too low carb I get very irritable and moody.

Normally I am a very energetic and fun person but when I cut the carbs I can get miserable. I thought I was eating enough fat but I may be wrong.

It isn't withdrawal or anything. Please don't say it is my body getting used to it. I have been Paleo for a long time now. I guess its not a one size fits all plan.

Recently I started eating fruit occasionally and upped the veggies and I'm feeling much better, using more butter too.

Anyone else have similiar experiences or thoughts? Is it the fat or the carbs? Whats my problem? I am already very lean, and I can eat whatever and not gain weight so thats not anything to worry about. Should I just eat more fat or more carbs?

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Eat the carbs and prepare to kick ass my friend :) – Grok Jun 16 2011 at 8:55
This is exactly me. I'm gonna give an answer – Mark Jun 16 2011 at 19:58

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I think you answered your question yourself:

Keep on experimenting. If you're not happy change something (and you did that). Some people do better on lower carbs, some people do best on moderate to high carbs (lots of potato w/ butter harhar) ...

Anyways, you'll pobably get many different answers – game on ...

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To me the most important part of Paleo is no grains, no sugar, and no processed foods. Within that you can eat as many carbs as you see fit. Some limit carbs to lose weight or address some specific condition (diabetes, celiac, etc). But if you operate better on some carbs, by all means eats some carbs. – UncleLongHair Jun 16 2011 at 15:32
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I just gotta say: how many people have to come on this site complaining of being miserable from low-carb before we stop making low-carb the default prescription? I realize a lot of us have moved away from that a long time ago, but the paleo most people encounter is still low-carb. Mark Sisson is still all the way there, Robb Wolf seems to endorse some carb consumption, but the recipes in his book don't contain a single starch, and a lot of other popular sites for recipes like Everyday Paleo that are the same.

The answer is simple: eat carbs. They are not bad for you.

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What carbs do you eat? and how much? – PaleoMouth Jun 16 2011 at 11:26
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I'd echo Nico here. Fit people do not need to avoid starch at all, ever. Period. The fitter you are the more starch you can handle. Eat 1:1 ratio of protein grams and carb grams. Love it. – ben61820 Jun 16 2011 at 12:54
@Ben, I agree that active people can generally handle lots of carbs, but I think I would qualify the "no need to avoid... at all, ever. Period." I'm pretty fit and lean, exercise intensely at least 4 times a week and so on, but since I added ~40g of carbs per day to my previously ~ZC diet [which I think I mentioned to you a while back], I've gained almost a stone in the past year (mostly in the first 6 months). Granted, I added the carbs because I was aiming to gain mass, but it's still significant (and certainly not mostly muscle), even if I'm stronger and look better by most people's tastes. – David Moss Jun 16 2011 at 13:12
@David, thanks for the result report. Love it. I would say that that low an amount of carbs added back in your eating has simply added more calories than you need. Did you commensurately lower fat at the time? I acknowledge that a lot of carbs eaten to excess for years will result in metabolic damage and thus that a calorie is not just a calorie, but in the lowish range you're talking about, with your fitness, I would think your weight gain is merely a calorie issue. Know what I'm saying? – ben61820 Jun 16 2011 at 13:35
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Nico is totally right. Paleo is not synonymous with low-carb. Robb Wolf eats several sweet potatoes a day, BTW. And Paleo for Athletes is full of carbs. Only GOOD carbs, of course. – Cave Tomboy Jun 16 2011 at 14:26
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I think you've sorted the answer on your own, too.

Classic bodybuilding thinking: the fitter you are the more carbs you can eat.

Very straight forward. I'd still prolly say that fat people will lose weight very effectively, at least for a time, on LC but for fit people it makes no sense to do low-carb while eating paleo.

I at the beginning did it too, cuz i read Sisson's book early. I did it for over six months so i was thoroughly keto-adapted as they say. Continued lifting and BJJ during that time, too. But i never felt that pep in the step, the extra oomph. Always felt...flat.

Now i eat between 200-250 grams of carb (all paleo, yes) per day, throughout the day, and feel kickass all the time.

Carbs' effect on mood is substantial and, I feel, underappreciated.

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what do you eat for carbs besides potatos? – Mark Jun 16 2011 at 20:00
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Low carb just isn't good or even healthy for some people. This goes double IMO for naturally thin/lean people. Like you, and me. Diets are not one fits all.

When I was in ketosis/ate low in carbs I felt foggy and mentally out of it a lot (I have ADD-PI so anything that makes me less present is bad!), it triggered my natural tendency towards depression, and I was often insatiably hungry no matter how I stuffed myself with fat, protein and roughage. There were some good things about it (I had zero menstrual cramps for the first time in my life VLC, and I had an easier time waking in the morning which is often hard for me) but not enough to justify the fact that I just didn't feel good a lot.

I hereby give you permission to EAT STARCH! It's not bad for you! There are plenty of harmless/'paleo' (most hunter-gatherers eat tubers) sources like white rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes and other tubers - Asian markets usually have an awesome variety of tubers and root veg.

I eat 100-200g of carbs from tubers, white rice, fruit and veg, and even some chocolate and ice cream, every day, and I feel and look (gained some weight) the better for it.

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You are already lean, so I would try increasing the veggies and fruit ingestion. You could also try carbs rotations on 3 or 4 days cycle (adding fruits and tubers after training for example, increasing carbs "income" the first 1-2 days and dropping them the following days) as it's proven to work well and as far as I know (anthropology phd student) it could resemble the feeding patrons our ancestors used to. Remember that "the low carb-high fat" paradigm is fading way from the Paleo concept. Good luck, and hope to hear about your progress.

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I eat pretty low-carb Paleo. No fructose aside from an occasional cheat. Maybe some starch post workout, but not too often. I notice sometimes my mood will change especially after spending hours at school/library.

What works for me:

  1. Eating Dark Chocolate or making some hot chocolate using unsweetened cocoa powder (with water and some coconut milk). Cocoa contains theobromine and tryptophan. Tryptophan affects serotonin, which diminishes anxiety. With dark chocolate a little will go a long way. You can get Lindt 85% Dark, freeze it and then eat a couple squares with some tea. Hot cocoa is nice cause it will make you feel warm and fuzzy.

  2. Taking some vitamin D or just going out in the sun for a bit. Just o for a walk and soak up some sun.

  3. Taking some R-Alpha Lipoic Acid and maybe some Pantethene (500mg ish) in the morning.

Hope that helps!

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If only I could freeze the lindt and have a couple of squares, as someone said in another post I would need x2 squares fedexed everyday to my house. Having "excess" in the freezer would awaken the sugar demon. Oh moderation, how you toy with me. – Minnie The Minx Jun 16 2011 at 16:12
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The serotonin response to starchy carbs is no joke. I recently added white rice to my diet, and it makes me HAPPY. So strange, but the mood response is immediate for me.

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Have some Haagen-Dagz ice-cream my friend. You have no idea how happy it will make you.

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Try experimenting with carb cycling. I go 2, 3, 4 days on very low carb then have a day with some sweet potatoes thrown into the mix, something like that. I don't have a rigid carb schedule. See what works for you.

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I feel that carb cycling is definately worth a try for anyone experiencing any sort of mood/performance/sleep or any other issues. I did VLC for several months, lost weight, but then a) weight loss plateau'd b) had trouble getting sleep c) lifts started going down (during VLC i had somewhat maintained strength). Enter 250-300 grams of carbs on workout days and 50-85 grams on rest days - coupled with intermittent fasting > 2-3 BIG meals a day, and a) weight loss stopped, but still feel like i'm staying lean/adding muscle b) sleep like a baby c) lifts are good AND d) i love the meal sizes :) – Antti Jun 20 2011 at 17:32
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I get grumpy as hell when my blood sugar is low. Perhaps this is somehow related?

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The serotonin hit that is associated with (sweet) carb intake probably has something to do with that ... I am thinking of Stephen Guyenets food reward posts right now. Might look into that! – Jan Jun 16 2011 at 6:21
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Low blood suger? Sometimes too much protein can be cause, does it for me. Its so easy to get too low blood suger, because there is no hunger anymore.

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I don't know how much you're "cutting the carbs" but perhaps the underlying cause for your mood is cortisol (rising in order to raise blood sugar). You need a certain, limited amount of glucose daily, usually easily produced from dietary/muscle protein, for a few intransigent tissues that can't burn fats. If you aren't meeting those needs you might well suffer as your body breaks down protein to meet its needs. Unless you're getting irritable from sheer starvation, then I'd think that too little fat is probably an unlikely cause, since even though you look pretty lean, you doubtless still have quite a number of fat calories stored in the body. Hence, I would think that eating a few more carbs and not consuming excessive protein is probably the best, low risk solution.

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Dairy makes my mood like a rollercoaster, and I avoid it when I'm around people (which is most of the time).

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