I have nothing against vegans. I mean, eat the f* what you want to. I don't care, unless you're a friend or family member, but even then I'm not in their face about it. I am not an evangelist, preferring to lead by example. I figure when I get thinner and healthier then that will speak for itself.
But why in the world do I seem to attract all of the vegan weirdos? Does this happen to you, and how do you deal with it? I write two blogs The Nourishing Cook and Eat Fat Lose Fat and the first one gets more traffic. It seems the vegans know about it now and have come out in force to comment on multiple posts, even old ones. These are not even strictly paleo blogs (although I am moving EFLF in that direction, since I am eating paleo).
I know many of you are also bloggers and I would love to hear how to deal with vegan flamers. Not looking to bash vegans please, just wanting actual advice on how to handle vegan comments professionally and tactfully. Upvotes will be given for actual examples and links.
I've had similar experiences in person with people (is it because I live in Portland, Oregon, where many freaks live?) so in person examples would be helpful too!
Here's my latest example of a vegan comment:
"Actually there are many links between animal consumption and increased rates of colon cancer, diabetes, and heart disease just to name a few. Tg as t veg myth book is a crock of sh!t !"
This ironically was on a post about making sauerkraut juice. The recipe in the Nourishing Traditions cookbook (which is what I blog about) calls for liquid whey. They took offense to that, since whey is an animal product. Funny, because this recipe can be made without whey and just salt. I don't think they're interested in the posts, just the flaming.
you could do a post on the destructive environmental effects of monoculture grain farming (including organic monoculture grain farming) and how its causing a "dead zone" in the Gulf of Mexico and how 60% of America's topsoil has been depleted since 1960 due to the increase in this kind of farming and how there is no such thing as a vegan because plowing kills numerous animals that live in the soil, not to mention the ones that used to live in the dead zone in the gulf. And while I'm not sure quite how many flies a cow's tail swats in 2 seasons and I'm not sure how many animals die in hay production, I'm pretty sure one big animal dying (instead of many tiny ones) feeds many people for a long time and that animals pooping on the land is good for us all.
Though, I suppose that might just make them even more vehement.
edit: of course, the above ONLY applies if you are eating grass fed and grass finished beef!
On my blog (www.urgeschmack.de) I use three methods
1) delete if insulting
2) ignore if insignificant
3) ask about credible sources if they make any claims about health issues.
The trolls never come back.
Those who are seriously interested usually reply and so so far I got along very well with all of them. That might be because they keep their eyes open and immediately see that we're actually on the same side when it comes to health or animal welfar - we're just using different approaches.
I, like you, don't mind what people eat, it's their body, their choice. However if I do happen to have a vegan or vegetarian for that matter try and criticise my animal centric diet for moral reasons I generally roll out the 'Least harm principle'.
V: "How can you have animals killed for your food. Humans don't need animal in their diet. You're a monster!"
Me: "Well, would you say a field mouse life is worth the same as, say a cows life?"
V: "Yes, of course"
Me: "Well how about a bug, say a cricket or grasshopper, are they worth the same as a field mouse?"
V: "Ahhh...... well, yes."
Me: "So then you'd agree that the bugs life is worth the same as the cows life?"
V: "......... yes."
Me: "Well then I'd suggest you stop eating cereal grains and take up pastured ruminants. Compare all the bugs, mice, birds and other critters which are inadvertently killed for your grain production to the relative few ruminants that I consume, and you my friend, are a monster".
Or something along those lines...
(Of course this wouldn't work with a raw vegan who doesn't consume grains, but I'm yet to come across one of those who wants to tell me how to eat).
I have one regular reader who is a vegetarian, but she's very respectful of me and my diet, as I am of hers. Other than that, none of the veg*an nutjobs have found me yet and if (more likely when) they do, I'll simply moderate my comments. It's my blog, after all! Yes, it would be a huge pain in the tookus, but it will allow me to allow only comments that actually contribute to the conversation - which by no means requires that you agree with me.
Why can't we just declare war on vegans and kick their scrawny butts once and for all?!
But seriously, it's the Internet, purportedly the most democratic medium in history, so we have to put up with people we disagree with. However, if they become so nasty that dialog becomes impossible, first ignore them then block them.
Make them back up everything they say. Do it in a nice manner, almost overly nice, kill em with kindness. Say something along the lines of "I would like this to be a place of open discussion and learning for all, and while I respect your opinion, I would love to see some science that backs it up." Give em homework and I doubt you will see most of them return.
Inform them that computers are not vegan. From vegsource.com: "In today's society it is impossible to be totally "free" from animal products. Steel, vinyl, plastics, and rubber all contain animal derivatives. Film, videotapes, musical instruments, and computers all contain some sort of animal product also."
“A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing their own opinions.” Proverbs 18:2
If they're 'nasty' and not open do discussion but would rather bite my head off, I'd rather not 'deal with them'. I'll be respectful and go on my merry way. I don't find the need to argue with close-minded people. No one gets anywhere. I'll save my paleo rational for people that aren't so surly (which I think is what the OP is alluding to when she says 'nasty', 'vegan flamers', etc).
I think it's kind of funny, the whole vegan thing. As my handle suggests I was once a vegan, but at the time I knew F*ck All about nutrition, and most vegans are definetly ignorant in their knowledge of nutrition. It's a ethical decision not a nutrotional one. Alot of people are baffled by my change from vegan to paleo, I just explain that once I began looking into the nutrition I relaized how much the vegan/vegetarian thing was bass ackwards. I still think that if you are concerned with ethics vegan is the best thing in the world, I just decided I would rather eat animals than slowly kill myself. Low fat + high carb = HELL.
Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of nutrition can slam any PETA humping vegan.