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Seems like my sensitivity to dairy is in direct inverse proprotion to how much I like a particular cheese. :(

My stomach isn't crazy about cream. I get a strange sensation in my arms when I eat the hard cheeses I love like parmesan, even if from raw milk. When I used to eat dairy regularly, I'd always have small bumps on either temple. Now the bumps are gone, but if I overdo the dairy, they're back. Go figure.

So has anyone overcome this, either through GAPS or by eating a small amount of yogurt daily a la Dr. Art Ayers or throug any other method.

I'd love to have more cheese in my life, but too much doesn't do me good.

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I can comment that what I always thought was a dairy issue for me (zits) turns out to be wholly nightshade and egg-related. I eat cottage and yogurt daily now with zero issues. Sure yours is dairy-related? – ben61820 Jun 23 2011 at 17:31
What? Eggs? Intriguing. I've been thinking of taking them out because I believe they may be causing stomach issues. How long did it take to recover for you? – baconbitch Jun 23 2011 at 17:44
@ben61820 Ouch, I'd hate to have to leave eggs out of my diet. Love, love, love starting out the weekend with a giant omelette. My condolences. (unless you hated them to begin with! =D ) – Casey Jun 23 2011 at 18:45
I eat eggs most days for breakfast and feel fine. When I eat a hard cheese, I feel a particular sensation in my arms immediately. It's pretty clear. – Glither Jun 23 2011 at 19:42
oh i love eggs. hardboiled, scrambled, over easy, raw - i love them all. But after years of tinkering with my diet and solving many things i would just still always get occasional zits. nothing extreme mind you. but still i'd get them and i just believe that thats your body pushing bad shit out, yknow? So, finally, maybe three months ago I figured i'd go full autoimmune protocol from Wolf's book. For me was just really nightshades and eggs. so i got rid of them and boom, not one zingle zit, i kid you not. We all different but i can't figure out anything else to believe in the face of my experi – ben61820 Jun 23 2011 at 21:40
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I have. Basically what I did was to start out with high fat dairy (Haagen-Dazs) but you can do cream or something else. Then I started drinking milk. I started out with just an ounce or two every day and increased that over a period of a few weeks.

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So you just added a little day by day? I seem to be fine with yogurt and feta. Just certain types of cheese cause a reaction. So my prescription is a bit of gruyere every day? I can live with that! – Glither Jun 23 2011 at 19:44
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you and your GD ice cream;) – ben61820 Jun 23 2011 at 21:41
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It doesn't sound like you know what part of dairy your body doesn't agree with. Lactose intolerance? A true allergy? A1 Casein sensitivity? BCM7? Bovine vs caprine? Raw vs pasteurized? Lots of things to try! Even cheese cultures might be problematic.

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I do feel something a reaction with raw goats milk and yogurt - so both bovine and caprine. But beyond that, you're absolutely right. I have no idea. So my question to you, Matt, is, if I could pinpoint what the issue is, would that help me overcome it? – Glither Jul 8 2011 at 4:17
Figure out what to avoid and simply avoid it at all costs. We don't tell celiacs to eat small amounts of gluten to "beat" celiac disease. – Matt Jul 10 2011 at 20:13
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My guess is that you are sensitive to the yeast that is highly abundant in all dairy, especially so in cheese. The yeast content of dairy seems to be the missing piece in the mystery of why dairy is so potentially allergenic - it's not just lactose, casein etc. but the fact that the stuff is a yeast-magnet. I was trying to figure out my own sensitivity at one time and after relentless searching finally found a PDF online of a study in which the exact quantities of yeast in various dairy products were determined, and it was stunningly high in all products, but sky-high in cheese. Unfortunately I'm not finding it upon searching now, and will have to dig up an old flash drive to find the PDF I saved - but I swear the evidence is out there, albeit difficult to find. However, consider how readily dairy ferments and that fermentation tends to occur via yeast. Yeast would seem to be massively allergenic.

Cheese was the first culprit in my search - all I knew is I felt like hell afterwards with itchy bumps here and there; sneezing and nasal drainage; pink, glassy, itchy eyes with angioedema as well as nervous system issues including something similar to what you describe - tingly numbness, especially when sleeping (would wake up with painful numbness in my hands/arms etc.). I knew that I had a yeast intolerance and that my first breakthroughs in personal health included yeast-killing protocols (not to get all anti-candida cultish here, but it worked). Meanwhile I never ceased eating cheese, butter, yogurt... the supposedly safe dairy products. However the study I'd found indicated that higher fat content also meant higher yeast counts, aside from fermentation's yeast-proliferating-ness (and yogurt's beneficial bacteria do not beat out their yeasty competitors but sadly share the spoils). Seems counter-intuitive to me but what do I know.

Meanwhile, based on what I've pieced together and from my non-scientifically-educated understanding of the data, it sounds like yeast breaks down into glutamate - that lovely excitotoxic amino acid added to everything processed. Parmigian cheese is particularly loaded with free glutamate. Glutamate's the other mind-killer - aside from fear - that turns me into a semi-comatose, irritable zombie with numb, tingly limbs. To end, some quotes from my scientific source, Wikipedia:

"Parmigiano is also particularly high in glutamate, containing as much as 1.2 g of glutamate per 100 g of cheese, making it the naturally produced food with the second highest level of glutamate, after Roquefort cheese. The strong presence of glutamates explains the strong umami taste of Parmigiano."

"all inactive yeast contains a certain amount of free glutamic acid because when the yeast cells are killed the protein that comprises the cell walls begins to degrade, breaking down into the amino acids that originally formed it. Glutamic acid is a naturally occurring amino acid in all yeast cells, as well as in many vegetables, fungi and meats."

Anyway, to attempt to answer your question - my yeast, and therefore dairy, intolerance has not improved but rather worsened over time. In fact I think I might have managed to curb the onslaught of autoimmune issues when I first began ridding myself of yeast, but since I continued to think of butter and yogurt as health foods and availed myself of them daily, I eventually became highly intolerant. Sad state indeed... hope that helps.

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interesting! lemme get this straight - you're saying you think your problem with yeast is ultimately a glutamate intolerance? – g. Jul 20 2011 at 5:04
also curious about the "yeast-killing protocols" you used. – g. Jul 20 2011 at 5:08
Something like that, but I'm not entirely sure. When I eat something with straight-up MSG, like cheap Chinese takeout, I get a glutamate reaction that makes me feel comatose, whereas something with yeast will give me allergy-like symptoms like asthma, sneezing, etc. Then the glutamate reaction kicks in shortly after. So - I think there's a link, certainly, but yeast itself has its own set of issues. Originally I began with virgin coconut oil but after years of large, daily intakes of it I became intolerant of coconut oil (and salicylates in general). I had to do an elimination diet – ddibwynt Jul 20 2011 at 15:34
to figure this out. At the time I was also taking food-grade hydrogen peroxide, oregano oil, raw garlic etc. and found that raw garlic was pretty much the ultimate yeast-killer. Now I'm afraid of how raw garlic may affect me, but when I quit coconut oil my yeast symptoms started to return until I was having 24-7 asthma, so I re-started taking a few drops of food-grade H202 every day again and the asthma/generalized symptoms went away. However, I'm still reactive if I decide to eat dairy. – ddibwynt Jul 20 2011 at 15:36
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or cream - believe me, I would. Think I'd throw a party. – ddibwynt Jul 22 2011 at 16:36
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