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I just have a quick question. So I usually wake up around 4:30am and then around 6:30 to nurse my baby. We co-sleep so I don't have to really get up but sometimes during the 6:30 feeding I wake up really zippy but force myself to go back to sleep anyway. I am trying out Dr. K's Leptin program but I usually eat the 50 grams of protein around 9AM when the baby and I wake up and actually get up.

I'm wondering, the first time I wake up around 6:30 and when I get that zippy feeling, is that cortisol and therefore I should be eating then? Or can I continue to wait till we both wake up together and still get the benefit?

I don't really want to get up at 6:30AM to eat because I have interrupted sleep as it is nursing a baby, but I also want to take care of this inflammation issue I'm having because my most recent blood test showed a high CRP reading.

thoughts? Am I over-thinking this?

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as soon as you wake your cortisol is thru the roof......trust me and eat ASAP. You will see if I am FOS. It will change everything. Read about sleep and metabolism being yoked. Im posting as fast as I can...... – The Quilt Jun 25 2011 at 1:30
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Thanks, that's the answer I was looking for. I'll get up and eat. I usually get up for a glass of water after feeding the baby anyway. Might as well grind down some beef. hahaha – Aughra Jun 25 2011 at 2:08
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sleep with the foreman grill next to your bed loaded up with bacon like michael scott. – being Jun 25 2011 at 2:10
lol.................. – The Quilt Jun 25 2011 at 4:12
I' still co-sleeping with my DS (2) and was wondering the same thing. – Efaitch Jun 25 2011 at 8:11

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I've been trying to do the leptin reset, but I'm perimenopausal, and I'm waking up 2 to 3 times a night due to hot flashes. I can't see how getting up and eating 3.5 hours after I fell asleep is going to help at all. If I do get up and eat, then I can't go back to bed for 3.5 to 4 hours based on the amount of time required between eating and sleeping, and by then, well, it's too late, cause I've got to get ready for work.

I've been letting myself go back to sleep after one hot flash, but when I wake up again, I get up and eat. As such, I've gone from sleeping (in general) 6.5 to 7 hours a night to less than 5.

How do most people manage this?

8 hours sleep 1 hour wake/eat/prep for work (this is pushing it) 1 hour commute time 9 hours at work time 1 hour commute time 1 hour cook/eat time And now I have only 3 hours left before I have to be back asleep again. Just shy of what's necessary.

And this assumes no bad traffic, no after work errands, etc.

Is it better just to skip dinner, instead?

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if your other hormones are out of balance get them optimized too.....then you will see some magic. – The Quilt Jun 25 2011 at 23:02
Hmmm, getting the hormones sorted out isn't going to happen with my HMO (Kaiser) - as far as I can tell, they don't do bio-identical hormone therapy. So I'll have to wait and find another solution. I guess I'll abandon this particular stage for now. While I have poor sleep, I don't have carb cravings, and I'm hardly ever very hungry, and IF is easy for me. I'll still stick to three meals, no snacking, as much of a gap as possible between dinner and bedtime. We've also blocked the bedroom window from any light and sound. – Tikivana Jun 26 2011 at 5:34
have you considered Maca powder to level out your hormones? If not, check it out. – lola Aug 29 at 18:58
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Firstly, cheers to you for being a patient mom and nursing that little one on the fly, in bed, just being awoken and all. Awesome. I’m a guy so definitely take my crazytalk with many grains of salt.

You wake around 6:30am and have that zippy feeling. Why is this bad again? Waking up with an energetic feeling, which I have to assume is somewhat positive for you, is in what way something that is bad? Cortisol is supposed to elevated in the morning, upon rising. This is the natural energy-booster that is supposed to get us up and ready to do the day’s doings.

I understand you have the high CRP reading. Is this perhaps due to the stress you are going through naturally, from raising a child and all the night-waking, feeding, etc that goes along with it. Might that be a temporary, natural thing; and something that perhaps you are naturally suited to do?

I have to think that forcing 50 grams of protein down, when you clearly say you don’t want to get up to do, is less-than-necessary. While I am a big fan of protein and definitely wouldn’t tell you to not eat that much at a meal, I have to say that that’s a big amount of protein to get down upon waking. To give some sort of relative measure, elite lifters (girls and guys who are paid to work on physique) do not usually take that much protein immediately upon rising.

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I don't know. I was wondering the same thing about crop And the stress of new motherhood but I coulndt find anything that correlated breastfeeding or post partum recovery with higher Crp. Maybe it's just never been tested. I don't know. – Aughra Jun 25 2011 at 13:44
Hmm, I would have thought that that would have been tested, yes. Darn. I wish I had something more helpful to contribute. Perhaps if one had a CRP from pre-pregnancy that they could then compare to the post-birth/current CRP. In a perfect world, right? – ben61820 Jun 25 2011 at 14:01
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Agreed Ben, the cortisol=bad, so eat to reduce cortisol idea seems distinctly dubious... – David Moss Jun 25 2011 at 17:49
CRP level have maybe not been tested in breastfeeding mothers. There are lots of things that no one has gotten around to looking at yet. – Matt Jun 25 2011 at 18:06
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You shoulud remember that Dr K is:

a) a man.

b) not breastfeeding a baby.

c) thinks he knows everything :)

I would suggest eating when you get up in the morning and not when woken to breastfeed, get your sleep. Babies grow quickly, you wont be breastfeeding through the night for that much longer in relative terms (even if it feel like a long time).

I think 50 grams of protein is just a arbitary number. Dr K is I think quite a big guy so it is probably easier for him to eat that much food. I would not want to eat that much soon after waking.

I think it is probably more the eating of food with some protein in that reduces the cortisol levels rather than a magic number of grams. The book Mastering Leptin that I read recently just recommends "Eat a breakfast containing protein" soon after getting up, such as eggs rather than one based mainly on carbohydrate. However even just eating a breakfast of cereal has been associated with lower cortisol levels :)


I just had a quick look if anyone has done a study on C-reactive protein (CRP) levels in breastfeeding mothers and could not find anything. However there are three studies on CRP in lactating dairy cows, just for the curiosity value :)

Elevation of bovine serum C-reactive protein and serum amyloid P component levels by lactation

From these observations, it was assumed that lactation might stimulate CRP synthesis rather than SAP synthesis in bovine liver as an acute phase reaction, and that CRP might be called a lactation-associated protein.

Study with long title

CRP blood serum levels show a distinct tendency to increase from the 2nd to the 20th week of lactation.

Serum C-reactive protein in dairy herds

C-reactive protein levels increased with milk production, peaking during high lactation (2 to 4 mo of pregnancy), and decreased when lactation ceased.

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I actually have the appetite of a Siberian tiger right now so I have no issues with eating that much first thing in the morning. I was just wondering theoretically if I should wait or not, also I'm tired and don't always feel like physically getting up to PEE much less eat, has nothing to do with my hunger hahahahaha. I really don't take anything he or anyone else here as fact. I'm just experimenting. If it doesn't work after a while I'll try something different. – Aughra Jun 25 2011 at 17:46
Maybe it's just me but extra sleep always comes first :) – Matt Jun 25 2011 at 17:53
Sleep is good. Remind me what it is again??? – Aughra Jun 25 2011 at 19:09
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I've no solution, but a similar issue. I wake at 4:30ish in order to catch a bus by 5:30 and I really am not in the mood to eat. I tried my 50 g of protein a couple of days this week and felt horrible. On the other hand, this morning I tried eating my first meal at 7:30 when I arrived at work and was full and craving free until lunch. I've no idea how it will work with leptin reset, but I'm going to continue it for a while and see how it goes.

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If I were getting up and starting my day I could totally do it. My issue is that I wake up but I'm not physically getting up yet. – Aughra Jun 24 2011 at 23:26
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Indeed. I think my problem is time: I am unwilling to get up any earlier to eat. As it is, my schedule barely allows for 7 hours of sleep. I'm caught between the proverbial rock and hard place, so I compromise and eat later. I may try a slab of leftover steak or something next week and see how that goes. – Laura Jun 25 2011 at 4:11
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What about using an albumin shake in the morning to try to get to that 50 grams.

The product contains powdered egg yolk and biotin.

Also a question for Dr. K. Seems logical that a big man and a small woman don't both need 50 gm. So what amount is appropriate for a short woman - say 5' 1" - but will still be effective? 45? 40? 35?

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Personally, I'm allergic to egg whites, but it would be awesome if there were a shake I could drink. Unfortunately whey protein doesn't work either. It's be nice to just whip up a protein shake instead of something hearty in the AM. – Aughra Jun 25 2011 at 22:01
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Eating as soon as you rise is designed to destroy your AM cortisol level. It is not done to piss you off. It's based purely upon our hormone status. Once you get in that groove you will see some amazing benefits for a paleo lifestyle.......try it. If it does not work blow it off.....but try it. Dont let convention dictate terms. When you wake.....eat the protein and fat.

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Timing is as important as what you eat......sound nuts I know.....but it is factual biochemically. – The Quilt Jun 25 2011 at 1:43
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Oh, I wasn't pissed. I'm just a tired mommy and want to pass out again after I nurse. :-) I'll grin and bear it and eat then crawl back in bed with the little one. – Aughra Jun 25 2011 at 2:06
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I've been looking for data on the effect of early-morning eating on cortisol, do you have a source/link? – free3337 Jun 25 2011 at 2:28
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sleep in context? What the hell is that supposed to mean? And what is wrong with cortisol spiking in the morning upon waking anyhow? Is this not the natural default mode? Isn't our cortisol supposed to be high upon waking, it serves as the energy boost to get us up and at em, no? Before coffee and other stimulants, cortisol was it, no? Shouldn't cortisol be high in the morning and then gradually taper off throughout the day? Why in the world would you want to seek to eliminate the elevated morning cortisol? Be wary with what you read, everyone. Be wary of levees. – ben61820 Jun 25 2011 at 11:59
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And furthermore, if AshleyRoze is breastfeeding at her 6:30 wake-up, won't the oxytocin inhibit the release of cortisol?? It's rather counter-intuitive to tell someone who wishes to lose weight to get out of bed and eat a boat-load, just to lie back down again.. with the intention of suppressing a hormone that is ostensibly being naturally suppressed. Hard for me to swallow, so to speak. – g. Jun 25 2011 at 12:40
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