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So I've been told by many people that stress = cortisol = body stores fat.

My question is actually two. One: I'm no more or less stressed now than I was a year ago (at about 60% paleo), and even under much less stress than I was 5 years ago (pre-paleo) so why didn't I gain fat back then yet it appears I've slowly gained some in the last 6 months?

Two: every person I know who's ever gone through a stressful situation has lost weight. Two of my family members were under a lot of stress last year: one lost her mother after a prolonged illness, another went through a messy divorce. They both lost so much weight that I hardly recognized them when I saw them recently (neither is paleo). How is this possible if stress = fat gain?

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There are some great posts here: paleohacks.com/search?q=cortisol#axzz1QVlqEELb The Quilt (another PH member and a Dr) has posted some good stuff in those forum questions. I'm actually re-reading some lately and learning a ton. – baconbitch Jun 28 2011 at 0:24
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its bilogical IMO, it depends on how your dopamine/serotonin circuiting in your brain is wired – mallory Jun 28 2011 at 1:03
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When i was under extreme stress for about nine months I too lost tremendous weight. But it was all lean muscle mass. That's what chronic stress and chronically raised cortisol does: maintains fat stores and canabolizes muscle mass. Muscle is metabolically expensive while fat is not so our bodies, when signaled that they are in a chronically stressed environment, cling to the fat and ditch the expensive muscle. – ben61820 Jun 28 2011 at 2:24
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The result is the now-classic skinnyfat body. Exactly what happened to me. – ben61820 Jun 28 2011 at 2:24
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It's very tricky. Depression cause some to overeat, others to stop eating. I think there is still a ton of biochemistry that we don't know or understand even partially, let alone completely. – Dave S. Jun 28 2011 at 12:06
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I'm starting to wonder if it even makes sense to do 60% of what nature intends for our bodies, even 90%.

If you go 100% Paleo and still have troubles, it's time to pay good money to see a specialist. Otherwise, you are inviting instability through that 40%, 30% or 10% window.

No two people will share an identical reaction to any food substance ingested because of genotype. Because of our unique genetic blueprint, our bodies respond differently to diet and lifestyle changes as well as exposure to microorganisms.

Why do some people with influenza miss 2 weeks of school or work while others can kick the same virus in only 1 or 2 days...or even 20 minutes? Furthermore, symptoms are also different even though the virus causing the symptoms is the same. One person gets a high fever, the other diarrhea, another victim suffers from both and a runny nose as well...

Do you see where this applies to you and gluten consumption?

Maybe (and this is just hypothetical) high eating bread, pasta and cereal in one person decreases the absorption of vital vitamins and nutrients in the small intestines causing micronutrient deficiencies. The victims body senses depleted vitamin reserves and responds by shifting into starvation mode and storing fat for energy use at a later date, while in another person the symptom is not obesity but rather nervous system imbalances triggered by the same micronutrient deficiencies. Perhaps that person can't synthesize an optimal amount of neurotransmitters due to the ingredients that are missing. This person experiences more depression, anxiety and other negative conditions of the mind.

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I'm a fan of the starving-inside-their-fat-tissue theory in some, perhaps many, cases of obesity and overweight. – Rose Jun 28 2011 at 1:19
This is so true. It's just confusing that the moment someone asks, "why am I not losing weight, I'm eating and working out the right way", the immediate response is: "cortisol! stress!" – BeastGirl Jun 29 2011 at 17:40
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This is going to be quick and dirty with no citations and totally off the cuff.

My take:

Stress (this can be all sorts of things including psychological, but also too much light when it's supposed to be dark, too few carbohydrates, etc) = cortisol.

Cortisol is a breaking down hormone. It will canabalize your fat but it will also tear down muscle and bone. It is tearing these things down in order to raise blood sugar - to your body stress means run the hell away from that tiger, but there's no tiger and in many cases very little running.

Okay, so now we've got high blood sugar which was made out of the lean tissue that is the primary engine of your metabolism. You may have lost weight in the short run, but at long term expense.

Ten years down the line, you are looking at low bone mass, low muscle mass, high fat (and visceral fat as a huge number of cortisol receptors are in the belly). Some people get the skinny arms and legs and big belly look.

For an extreme example of hypercortisolism Google Cushing's syndrome.

I've been independently reading about stress, it's various manifestations and ramifications for a while. This is a huge question you are asking here.

TO read more in depth check out Hans Selye and Ray Peat - tough stuff but worth it.

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Ooh, I'd love some more links if you have them. I'm battling stress (what mom isn't?) – baconbitch Jun 28 2011 at 0:22
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+1 for quick and dirty – HeatherC Jun 28 2011 at 0:22
Very dirty LOLOLOL Hey B-Baeaaaatch - I'll message you some links tonight :) – none Jun 28 2011 at 0:25
Thanks TC (torso chick...I'm lazy). And I like quick and dirty too. But I can't re-plus 1 you again :( – baconbitch Jun 28 2011 at 0:30
awesome response! – mallory Jun 28 2011 at 1:05
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grief and heartbreak are a different kind of stress that can cause a loss of appetite.

as far as cortisol, it can maybe be seen as a barrier to losing fat, rather than as catalyst for gaining. i might just be making that up though.

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But that's exactly my point: a lot of people overeat when stressed, but just as many lose their appetite under stress (I'm the latter). Some lose weight, others don't. Forget about grief, I've known plenty of executive types who were walking stress factories... and they were slim. If cortisol is the core problem to losing weight, why does it only affect some stressed people and not all? – BeastGirl Jun 29 2011 at 17:44
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While stress levels do indeed affect one’s fat stores, there are of course a myriad of other factors involved in whether one stores fat or does not. These include but are not limited to:

  • Caloric-intake

  • Hormonal status

  • Caloric-expenditure

  • Stress levels

Sleep quality and quantity

Age

If you consider all these factors (and of course a number of others) then there are prolly a number of reasons that you may not have gained fat back then although you say you were more stressed.

Right here lets also acknowledge that something like “stress” is not easily gauged. We say things like, I was under more stress then, etc but there is no monitor, no ruler. Essentially you do not know how much stress you are under. We don’t even have a definition of stress. What you perceive as stress may not affect any cortisol response whatsoever. What you would never consider “stress” may indeed provoke cortisol-release.

Following that, when most of us talk about “losing weight” we do not really know what our bodies are losing. Water, fat stores, muscle mass, bone mass? You do not know. Some of us may, but the layperson just sees a number on the scale and if it goes south they smile, north they frown. This is intimately tied with society’s drive for women to just be lighter all the time. No mention of BODY COMPOSITION. Only numbers. This is terrible.

The people you mention that lost weight during stressful times were definitely going through what I describe above: they are canabolizing lean muscle mass and bone mass while storing fat. This inevitably leads to “skinny fat.” Same thing happened to me about 2.25 years ago.

Digression (stop reading if you’re bored;): I’d like to take this opportunity to lambast the fear-of-cortisol in the paleo community. Well, in the xfit community, too. Acute cortisol-release from exercise is not something to be feared. Just know that it happens and maybe most of the time don’t overdo your exercise bout. However, people extrapolate from this that they should NEVER lift weights for more than an hour, etc. All the studies done on drug-free weight training individuals show that exercise bouts with the greatest cortisol release also lead to the greatest level of hypertrophy. Acute, temporary cortisol-spikes are not a big deal. Chronically raised cortisol, from things like the above stressful situations, running marathons regularly, not sleeping enough, etc, is bad and should be avoided.

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ugh, the list in the beginning of my post didn't come out quite as i imagined it, sorry. – ben61820 Jun 28 2011 at 12:18
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upvote on your entire response, but especially on the 'digression' paragraph. The differentiation between acute cortisol spikes and chronically raised cortisol is not discussed enough. – texasleah Jun 28 2011 at 15:51
Tried to fix your list, you can put it back if you want. – Ambimorph Jun 28 2011 at 16:32
Good point, Leah. I would agree that the community in general is very confused about cortisol. – Ambimorph Jun 28 2011 at 16:33
Yes! Nice. The whole cortisol thing is interesting to me. I hope my answer didn't come off as "phobic" about it. It's the chronic release just as you said. Have you read Ori Hofmekler's Maximum Muscle Minimum Fat? He talks about this very thing - I'd lend you my copy but it's on Kindle. – none Jun 28 2011 at 16:43
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I think you really have to look at it over 10 years. Before taking a job working for a major investment bank I weighed 200lbs 10 years later I weighed in a plump 331 lbs. I'm not saying the stress was everything, but it certainly facilitated me going for comfort foods, which happened to be sugar and processed carbs. That coupled with little or no exercise, then hypertension set in. Also much depends on your age, I was fine until I hit the mid 30's then it went down hill from there rather quickly.

In the near term extreme stress, like the loss of a loved one or sudden career change or finals will probably make people lose weight because they are not eating, nor are they sleeping, they have elevated metabolism due to higher heart rate. A person can't stay in that state very long. Take a state that isn't quite that elevated but is classified as high stress, stay in that state for a number of years and you have a pretty good recipe for weight gain.

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"In the near term extreme stress... will probably make people lose weight because they are not eating" - see, you assume stress = overeating. I actually lose appetite when I'm stressed. But I never lose weight no matter how little I eat. – BeastGirl Jun 29 2011 at 17:54
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When I am under stress I tend to gain weight. My wife is the opposite, she tends to lose weight.

A few years ago I went through a period of very intense stress (deaths in the family etc), and I actually lost weight. I think this was due to running on overdrive, not eating, and consuming way too much caffeine and alcohol. I don't think cortisol had anything to do with this weight loss. I am sure my stress level was off the charts however you measure it.

I think that being happy, content, and upbeat every day has a major positive impact on your health. This is not something that the conventional medical establishment talks much about, though it is often mentioned by Paleo and holistic folks.

I talked with a cancer researcher and she said that she has witnessed first hand how a positive attitude allows people to beat cancer. Some people just crumble when they get the diagnosis and most of them don't make it. Others take a positive view and those are the ones that have the best chance of survival.

Maybe cortisol is a physiological measurement for internal stress, in which case I totally agree with the idea that minimizing this maximizes your health.

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So interesting how different people are affected by different things... My husband consumes all the CRAP he wants, as much as he wants - sugar, grains, junk, alcohol, you name it (though my recent efforts to turn him towards the light have resulted in some positive changes). But he's generally a very happy and upbeat person, sleeps like a bear, walks a lot. He's skinny, and I don't mean skinny-fat. His BF% is like 15% (at 5'8"). At 42 he doesn't look a day over 35. So yes... I think being happy does play a major role on body composition. – BeastGirl Jun 29 2011 at 18:04
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Like others have said, it really depends a lot on your individual make-up. Over the last several months as my husband considered asking for a separation he lost over 50 lbs. And since I found out about it, my sugar consumption has jumped so I haven't lost a thing (but at least I haven't gained anything either -still consider that a win of sorts).

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Most people seem to have issues with sugar. I have zero sweet tooth... And I still haven't figured out what my main issue is that keeping me from losing. So frustrating. – BeastGirl Jun 29 2011 at 17:57

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