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I started to rethink my views on water after reading Dr. Mike Eades latest post:

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/tips-tricks-for-starting-or-restarting-low-carb-pt-ii/#more-4549

I've mostly thought that Mark Sisson's "drink when thirsty" advice was sufficient, but Dr. Eades has some interesting points.

By the way, scroll down to "Hydration" to see what I'm talking about, as the post is rather lengthy (although a good read).

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Coming from someone who has seen people become dehydrated and need medical attention. I think the "Drink when Thirsty" is a load of crap.

I've seen troops who train all day in 30+ degree heat, drink under a liter of water because their not thirsty.

While I did like Mark Sission's book I do not believe he was remotely correct at all in that statement for anyone that has any kind of physical activity in the sun.

Also I used to be chronically dehydrated. I would wake up in the middle of the night with a cramp in my leg, it took me 2 years to figure out what was causing it (would happen at least 2 times a week)

When I moved from Nova Scotia (on the ocean) to Ontario (inland), the air was dryer I drank a lot more water. Never Cramped, went back to Nova Scotia and water intake went down, cramps came back. Increased water intake and now they only hit when I seem to not drink enough.

Yet I was always drinking when I was thirsty when I had the cramps.

Also with Mark Sission's background of a Marathon Runner I'm sure he has seen a lot of people hit the dirt from not enough water.

Not to mention water is the main source for your body to get rid of any crap in your system and most people will not argue that drinking more water is generally a good place to start for fat loss.

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Agreed on the point regarding "flushing out the crap." I'm notorious for not proactively drinking enough. Trying to change that now in my fat loss efforts. – LadyAdmin Jul 1 2011 at 19:06
While I personally drink when thirsty with no problems, I have to agree with Ryan. Especially regarding Crossfitter, sprinters, and the nicely mentioned military. Many of these people, from either absent-mindedness or (more likely I believe) simply being very dedicated and "into" their activity, can often go too long and too hard without adequate hydration. – ben61820 Jul 2 2011 at 12:49
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Unless you have some sort of disorder that interferes with your body's ability to sense it's need for water, I'd say there is no need to worry about it. They human body, when it's healthy, has an amazing ability to self-regulate. Personally, I just don't worry about it. I drink when I'm thirsty or a drink sounds appealing. I drink herbal tea of varying types, plain water and mineral water. Everything works out fine. I think many of us have been brainwashed by previous diet plans that have us constantly filling up on water to ward off hunger and/or flush out ketones. When left alone the body will do just fine, unless, of course, as I said before, you have some sort of disorder that interferes with it.

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There's a lot of anecdotal evidence from people who need more water than their thirst prescribes. There are many other possibilities for the increased need beyond a disorder. Could be carb intake, activity level, or other factors. – Grocket Jul 2 2011 at 12:18
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@Turkey, while personally I concur, for athletes or just athletic people, many times simply going with "thirst" is not enough. The more absorbed in an activity you are the less you are going to think about "boy I'm thirsty" or "boy i'm hungry". In fact, your body is smart and when sent signals that there is danger and you must flee (which is what intense exercise will do) it will purposefully go some way to NOT send thirst and hunger signals since doing so would, historically anyhow, get you dead quick. – ben61820 Jul 2 2011 at 12:51
True, but once you stop exercising your thirst signals go back online and the body makes it up. It all evens out without you making a conscious effort to do so. If it didn't work this way we'd have people dropping dead from lack of water all over the place. As far as anecdotal evidence, the fact that they don't know they have some disorder doesn't mean they don't have one. The human body is self-regulating. If it fails to do this, yeah, that's a disorder by definition. It's not normal functioning. – turkeytyme Jul 3 2011 at 4:34
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For another good take on this, check out Kelly Starrett's recent post on hydration and electrolyte intake: Mobility WOD: Let's Get Real About Summer Time Hydration

I noticed a huge change in muscle stiffness after adjusting my water and salt intake.

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LOVE mobility WOD. HATE that he calls himself "K-STAR". – being Jul 1 2011 at 17:55
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I just don't seem to need as much water on this diet. If I drink when not thirsty, I just pee it back out very quickly. Even when exercising, it takes a lot less to achieve what seems to be a proper level of hydration.

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ive tried the "drink when youre thirsty" thing, and it backfired badly. im just never thirsty, and will end up going days without water. i get terrible headaches, muscle stiffness, cramping, and my weight loss will plateau. i mentioned here a couple of months ago that my blood-work showed consistently high potassium on weekly draws over three or four weeks and my doc wanted me to go in for an EKG. this was also in the middle of a 7 week migraine, which brought me to the docs in the first place. in order to avoid the EKG, i started pounding water like a crazy person and dont you know it the potassium normalized and the migraine went away.

so, ive started to force myself to drink water which i dont like. i drink plain seltzer from a quart-sized mason jar with the juice of one whole lime in it and through a straw so it goes down faster! im trying to drink three quarts a day, and the weight has started melting off and i feel so much better.

i read the link and i have to say that im a little shocked at how much booze and coffee dr. eades is consuming without knowing that they are diuretics! im hoping its just he writing style, and hes using anecdotes that are a little overblown in order to prove his point!

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The impact diuretics like alcohol and caffeine have on your hydration has been much exaggerated. Liquids are liquids and you can stay completely hydrated only drinking alcoholic and caffeinated beverages. – animalcule Jul 1 2011 at 18:13
@animalcule - Dr Eades begs to differ. – g. Jul 1 2011 at 18:23
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So do my kidneys. – being Jul 2 2011 at 3:32
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I drink liquids all day - water and seltzer, some green tea, etc. It's not as if I'm thirsty all the time but I actually have difficulty with thermal regulation and it helps me stay level. In my opinion, I feel the "waiting until I'm thirsty" mentality can be dangerous and cause more harm than good.. that it's better to be prepared rather than wait. For me, it's not like I'm gulping gallons of water a day but I definitely have a wide-mouth mason jar or a pint jar handy at all times, double water bottles on my bike - I drink out of those at CF as I cycle down, and carry water in a tote at all times. Everyone is different and I guess I just prefer to slosh a bit :)

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MOAR!!!!!!!!!!! – Wcc Kamal Stabby fan Feb 9 2012 at 1:47
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I drink much less now than I did for years. Too much water makes me really bloated, and contributes to my indigestion (especially reflux/heartburn stuff). My gastroenterologist told me this might be the case before I went paleo, I couldn't believe it! But it is in fact true, for me.

I only drink when I am thirsty, and never with meals, that is enough to keep my pee light to medium yellow. This is the best way to monitor your hydration, IMO. And no, your pee shouldn't be clear. That means you've taken in so much unecessary liquid that your body is just dumping near-pure H2O out the other end!

How thirsty I am totally varies by the day. I rarely find myself getting anywhere close to "eight 8oz servings per day", but at 105 lbs with a kid-sized torso, it makes sense that I don't need as much as most adults. I do take care to drink a decent portion of water after working out, and that seems to greatly reduce muscle soreness the next day. If I forget, I notice a difference.

Some people do not have a good thirst instinct and they should be very careful not to get dehydrated. As far as I know I have never in my life been dehydrated.

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I would say that you need to supplement with HLC, if water is lowering your stomach acid enough to cause reflux and heartburn side effects then you have low stomach acid and there is a good chance you will develop those issues down the road regardless of how much water you drink. I recommend you pick up the book "why stomach acid is good for you" and read it. – Ryan H Jul 1 2011 at 19:23
I'm not going to take supplements as I don't have heartburn, acid reflux, or IBS any more. Primal cured my digestion. :) – animalcule Jul 2 2011 at 3:57
Right, but yet you say drinking water contributes to reflux/heart burn. They should not be connected, and my original statement still stands. You should read the book, and go get your stomach acid measured. Besides if I am wrong, then no big deal. If I am right you may be preventing yourself from maximal performance and health due an improper digestion maybe not now but down the road as stomach acid can be related to a lot of health issues. – Ryan H Jul 2 2011 at 4:32
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Including your body not getting the minerals/vitamins from the food your consuming. Just because its not slapping you in the face Via Heart burn doesn't mean its not an issue. – Ryan H Jul 2 2011 at 4:33
OVERHYDRATING gave me reflux (back when I ate SAD and also drank tons of water, all day long). Adeqaute hydration gives me no problems at all. I haven't had heartburn etc in 16 months. – animalcule Jul 2 2011 at 18:45
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Being a recovering insulin resistant individual, I am always thirsty anyway (although it's getting better). I have a 600mL bottle that gets refilled about 6-8 times daily... force of habit.

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