Hey guys I am interested in going pale, I have been a vegan for awhile, i went vegan to slim down and I have, I have lost 4 stone in as many months, but lost some muscle too. Problem is I can't afford to buy meat. I live in the inner city and my only options are supermarkets which around here are very expensive. I also compete on an amateur level in kickboxing bouts so I need a lot of protein to recover.
due to perks at work I get free protein powder and usually take the vegan warrior brand, but I was wondering if I could eat fresh fuit and vegetables, good fats like olive oil and coconut oil, but instead of going out and buying meat I don't have the money for use a free indentured organic grass fed whey protein.
This would mean me staying out of debt but I am wondering what the benefits will be if I don't eat animal flesh but supplement with whey, omega 3 and b12/k2.
Thanks and I love the site.
This is Paleo Hacks dude. You're not going to find validation for a flawed approach here. That said, I'm sure you'll get by for many years with loads of veggies and some non-food powdered protein source. You will be less healthy than the guy who's willing to make some other sacrifice to get some cheap meat into his diet. Buy stewing meats, cheap eggs, and liver. They are all very cheap, complete, natural protein sources with side benefits. Where the hell do you live that you can't possibly find meat at an affordable price? It doesn't have to be grass fed, and maybe you have to drive 20-30 minutes to stock up at the edge of town...
A little meat goes a long way. Gone are the days of the meat-crazed paleo diet. A vegetarian diet with eggs, loads of veggies and fruit, with healthy fats would be great. Toss in a couple servings of meat (beef, salmon, offal, & bivalves have the most nutritional punch) a week and you're set.
If you can't tell, it's less than ideal. Geez.
180 grams needed daily? Bullshit. You're pissing 1/3 of that away.
Maybe the 3rd time will sink in: a little meat goes a long way. Not asking you to make all of your protein come from meat, or even a major fraction. I'm not suggesting you eat meat for the protein, but rather, everything else that's in it, that's the important stuff. That pack of mince is going to be more nutritious than the pile of fruit you'd be eating otherwise.
Bone broth can apparently cut your protein needs in half and it's very cost effective. After a certain point excess protein is just getting converted to glucose anyway, so you're better off just eating cheap starchy carbs like rice and potato. The only problem there is insulin which can be mitigated by eating fats and acids(sauerkraut, vinegar) with them.
I'd add in .25-.5 lbs of liver a week which is also likely to be cheap. If you want freeze it into small pill sized pieces and take it like a supplement.
I can't afford to buy meat, thats the problem, I am very poor. I don't even have internet I use the libraries. If I can't eat meat and can only use whey as my protein source because i get it free, how much will that impede me compared to someone using meat v whey. Everything else i consume will be paleo
its not 5 dollars here dude, its expensive.And I need a lot of protein for training, if i get less than 180 grams a day i do not recover as quickly as I would like. That pack of mince could go to a weeks fruit budget while the whey is free. I am not asking for alternatives, just asking what the difference will be as far as results go.
I didn't ask, should I eat meat. I stated I am not going to be eating meat. This is the problem with the dogma around this fucking subculture. I merely wanted to know if there is any proof that if i eat lots of fresh fruit and veg but substitute whey instead of meat I will not be healthy doing so. I am not asking is it optimal. I never asked that. So why is some asshole repeating I would be better off eating meat? I FUCKING KNOW THAT. But I can either keep paying for my fucking shelter, keep paying to train and live life how I want to live, or trade that in to eat shit I can not afford.
So here is the question. Is there any evidence showing that this way of eating is not very healthy? I am not asking if it is optimal, because I already know it isn't. Not everyone is in a position where they can act like 5 bucks a week is no big deal. I am 5 pounds spent stupidly away from not having a place to stay or a gym to train at. So please don't keep telling me something that is not relevant to me. You cultish fuck.
So you have no proof that eating this way isn't very healthy? OK, thanks. Now just stop commenting, if you can't provide evidence for your claims why are you posting?
When I went vegan I got the same bullshit from the animal rights weirdoes that I am getting from you but from the opposite spectrum.
Animal flesh is bad for you… No it isn't and you can't provide proof for your claims annoying animal rights vegans.
You saying eating protein in the form of organic whey, which is a very bio available source and using coconut oil, fruit and veg is not a healthy way to live?
Cool, I am merely asking for proof.
I am not asking for proof its not as healthy as eating paleo, I am asking if it is healthy, not optimal. If it isn't please provide proof and I will thank you.