My few vegetarian friends are more than horrified at my going Paleo, they think I am evil, really evil. They are vegetarians for moral reasons, the cruelty of the animal farm factories. I tell them pastured animals are treated humanely and they turn a deaf ear. Eating animals to them is on par with cannibalism. Has anyone else had a similar experience?
it's their choice to turn a deaf ear, but in reality I think the choice to eat humanely raised and pastured animals is very important in promoting animal welfare.
If no one supports these types of practices, then corporate factory farming wins. Animals really are a vital part of sustainable farming, mostly in that they truly promote soil fertility and soil integrity which is key in keeping this planet healthy. Plenty of vegetable farming including organic farming is done as a monoculture and leads to run off that is destroying life in bodies of water all over the world.
Nature designed her system to include an animal food chain and well, if your vegetarian friends choose to attempt to re-author it, well, what can you do?
I try to stay out of conversations about these subjects with the vegetarians/vegans I know, but if it were brought up I would stand by the basic point that what I am doing is very acceptable to me from a broader moral standpoint. I split a bottle of wine with a vegetarian not but a few days ago, and we had no problem agreeing on that :)
Given that their lifestyle is more akin to a religion than a thoroughly researched, science-based approach to diet, it's futile to attempt to sway their opinion. Obvious vitality is the best argument.
We have a vegan friend who works for PETA, and it's simply not worth it to ever get into it.
My closest friend of 20+ years is vegetarian (though he eats eggs and seafood), and I am currently strict Paleo. We have dinner together 1-2x per week and travel together. I'm amused by his choices as he is by mine. A couple of years ago he successfully lost 50 pounds on his diet and is in great health.
We are both serious about our diet + health and do a lot of reading and research, but have just come to different conclusions, and each have something that works for us. We have also both tried lots of diets over the years and know not to get dogmatic about our choices even while remaining disciplined.
It is fun to come up with dinners that work not only for the two of us, but my family who are pretty non-Paleo. For example last night I made whole roasted rockfish, oysters on the half shell, broccolini, and basmati rice, with sorbet for dessert. Side dishes included salmon roe, spicy pickled radish, seaweed salad, and dried pineapple. You can't say that we suffered in any way and had a great time.
I think the idea that you can't be friends with someone because they eat differently is absolutely ridiculous, and might be a sign that you're taking yourself a bit too seriously.
two very close friends of mine who have been vegan for 20+ years and own a vegan junk-food grocery store deleted me off of facebook when i started eating a paleo diet. really hurt my feelings- these are people who i hvae known loner than ive know my husband. i flew to their wedding from new england to east bum f**k louisiana. i respect their passion and the fact that they have literally devoted their life to something the believe in so strongly. it was never an issue for me in the slightest. i have friends who follow all sorts of weirdo diets like i do, and its never been an issue.
i was forced out to dinner a while ago with this horrid woman who i had never met before, a friend of a friend, who is vegetarian. we just clashed from the moment i met up with her, but food never came up. when we ended up at dinner together at a thai place, i ordered lamb and veggies she got some pile of rice noodles in sugar/soybean oil and fried tofu. she leaned over the table and asked what i was eating and when i told her she did the most obnoxious histrionic gagging fit. i just started laughing like crazy, and i dont think she appreciated it one bit. but it was so dramatic!
the whole damn night i was itching to point out the hour long ride we had to take in her LEATHER UPHOLSTERED LEXUS.
that sort of thing kills me. but she wasnt and never will be a friend, so i was thankful to see the back of her.
I am a paleo-eating Yoga teacher. :) I think it's refreshing for Yogis to realize that they don't have to fit the stereotype to be a Yogi. When my students realize that I'm no longer a vegetarian they seem relieved. As for my friends and students that enjoy a vegetarian lifestyle, we extend a common courtesy. They know that I've been there-done that, and it wasn't right for my family. It's all good. I figure if they are that closed-minded, we didn't need to be friends anyway :)
I just moved someone who I found on craigslist into my old apartment. Just casually talking, we ferreted out that she was a vegetarian and that I was a "carnivore" (in her words). She told me that she couldn't stomach how awfully animals were treated and couldn't believe that I could either, and that she'd "probably" eat meat if the meat industry weren't as it is. I told her that I couldn't believe she'd make a judgment of my character after having known me for 15 minutes, especially after helping her move her damn fridge, and that I love animals and I'd only ever eat one if it came off a pasture both out of respect for the animal and for my own body. I dropped the knowledge-bomb about grass-fed farming, and she didn't even know such a crazy thing existed.
I told her all I knew about it, and punctuated it by asking her if she would consider eating meat now, you know, being that her vegetarianism was based on a reasonable moral inclination. Having listened to me demolish that moral avenue and replace it with an ethical alternative, she said she "probably won't" eat meat anyway. Ok!
Strangely enough all three of my closest friends are vegetarian or (borderline) vegan. No problems whatsoever. I don't get preachy or smug about my diet and they extend the same courtesy to me. In fact it's really a non-issue. Though I do have to laugh a little inwardly when they complain how "unfair" it is that I am so lean/fit even though I eat meat and fish instead of "healthy" soy and beans :D
I can't be good friends with vegans or vegetarians. If it's a health thing for them, that's fine. But if it is moral? they will not like me much as I kill animals for food on a regular basis. Every vegan/vegitarian I come into contact with has a moral reasoning for there diet. I also think one has to be delusional, self important, completely ignorant of the natural world and unaccepting of death. This doesn't work for me as I like to live close to nature and strive to be as much a part of the cycle of life as I can. Death is sad and beautiful at the same time and if you can't accept that we won't have much in-common.
Most vegans I do come into contact with silently hate me from afar. Then I hear about it later. But if I have meat (I always do) I am bringing it to the potluck! Sorry if your kids are begging for it.
Of course I am always nice to them. I just can't take them seriously and won't accommodate them. All but one vegan I have known for a longtime has given it up. The one I do know is kinda crazy and sickly. She is damaging her children and she knows it! She knows how I feel so we just don't talk about it. But I can't even look her in the eyes anymore.
On top of that. Food is a huge part of my life. Procuring, cooking, and eating food is probably the number one thing I do with close friends. Whether it's hunting/fishing, raising animals, gardening, gathering wild edibles, butchering, preserving, cooking, eating out, celebrating it's all food all the time. Most of my hobbies beyond that even include animal parts sinew, bone, leather, brains etc...
My vegetarian friends don't seem to care very much, honestly. The most heated food debate I've had came with someone who follows Weight Watchers, and was regarding the high-fat content of paleo diets (she was a bit irritated by my "fat doesn't make you fat" comment) rather than the animal-flesh component.
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