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Just like some people do OK/fine on a SAD, and some people can only be healthy on Paleo...are there cases out there of people that just can't do Paleo and go back to SAD feeling better? Maybe it was too low carb, maybe too much meat. I don't agree with this or feel this way myself, but just curious.

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What do you consider "OK/fine"? – WyldKard Jul 20 2011 at 13:29

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A diet free of fake, processed food is the healthiest diet for EVERYONE. It's up to the individual to determine which foods cause them problems (dairy, red meat, nuts, nightshades, etc.) but the Paleo Diet consists of absolutely the healthiest foods on Earth. Some people say Paleo doesn't work for them because it makes them feel rotten and they feel better when they eat Neolithic foods again. What they mean to say is "Low Carb" Paleo doesn't work for them so they feel better when they indulge in high carb processed foods. Paleo does NOT equal "Low Carb." You eat as many carbs as you need to fuel your activity.

In regards to people feeling OK/fine on a SAD diet, that does NOT mean they are healthy. Millions of people are running around with large amounts of visceral fat, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, and type 2 diabetes yet say they feel "fine" but would you say that their diet is "working" for them? Notsomuch.

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Very well said! – sunshinestarr Jul 20 2011 at 17:36
"You eat as many carbs as you need to fuel your activity". This suggests that people that don't do much activity, need fewer carbs than those that do a lot of activity. In my own experience, this is not the case. I work in the construction industry doing very physical work. I don't eat carbs all day until I have a few pieces of salad (usually just leaves) with my evening meal. I imagine that most people on here actually eat more carbs and expend less energy than I do, so I don't think the amount of carbs anyone eats is governed by their activity level but more by how they themselves feel. – Warren D Jan 18 2012 at 13:36
Re-read my post. "YOU eat as many carbs as YOU need to feed YOUR activity." Everyone's needs are different. Take me, for example. I'm on my feet all day. I can go low carb all day long and do just fine, even during a busy day. The only time I really NEED more carbs is post workout because it helps with recovery. You're like me. You can be VERY active on low carb. That's awesome. Not everyone is wired that way. It's up to the individual to assess their own dietary needs in regards to macronutrients. There is no black and white. – jared Feb 14 2012 at 22:30
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It doesn't work well for making you popular with your local bakery.

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truth, sister... – being Jul 20 2011 at 14:41
Right on. Can we start defining specific criteria for generalizations like "work well"? – Dorado Galore Jan 18 2012 at 19:02
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Sure.......vegetarians and people who enjoy illness like munchhausen's patients and hypochondriacs.

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......ROFL...... – jared Jul 20 2011 at 14:17
Niiiice :-) +1! – Ben Jul 20 2011 at 18:06
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This Guy:

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I heard he eats coconut flour cookies now though. Eliminating gluten cured his severe maniac and addictive disposition. – Phoenix Jul 20 2011 at 18:48
Hahaha! Nice @Phoenix!! – Ben Jul 20 2011 at 18:53
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Doubt that: s1.static.gotsmile.net/images/2011/05/10/… :p – Dirk-Jan Jul 20 2011 at 20:04
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Pfizer and Merck?

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To clarify, what is your criteria for something "working" or not? Is it how they look? How they feel? How they perform? Markers of health and disease?

Crack works if you want to feel better. Plastic surgery works if you want to look better (temporarily). Amphetamines will certainly work if you want to perform better.

But will either of these things do all three while actually improving your health?

The Paleo Diet can.

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No. Paleo isn't low carb. You can tailor the paleo diet to any persons needs.

My question would be how could it not work for someone? Unless they were a serious food addict.

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This is essentially the same question I asked. I'm a little sick of some on paleohacks giving arrogant short answers to questions without any backup or insightful information. As far as the tailoring, maybe it is too hard to figure out whether its the meat, the carbs, the fat, etc. that could be causing problems. SAD is pretty simple, you eat whatever macronutrients you want when you want them, and feel good when eating because there's so many carbs. – Chase Jul 20 2011 at 13:43
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Chase, if someone's answer is a restate of your question, maybe you need to elaborate your question. In this case turn it from "are there such cases" to "in what ways could there be such cases". I don't think this answer is arrogant, though it might possibly be a better comment than answer. – Ambimorph Jul 20 2011 at 14:05
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Your question was Is there anyone the paleo diet DOESN'T work for? and you indicated that too low carb or too much meat is a problem. Paleo is not a meat based or low carb based diet necessarily though. If you eat paleo and feel you don't need much meat then don't eat it, likewise with carbs if you feel better eating more then eat them. Paleo is about avoiding certain food groups not macronutrients. You can take the paleo principles and tailor them to just about any diet from low fat to low carb even vegan if you want. – cliff Jul 20 2011 at 14:36
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Depends how you define paleo. As a skinny person I don't feel well in ketosis, or eating tons and tons of protein (though I often get about 100g per day, which is nearly a gram per pound of my body weight). I struggle with hypoglycemia so I simply can't get a lot of my calories from carbs without repercussions.

So I still eat mostly 'paleo' but I also eat limited non-toxic starches and not a lot of meat.

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no, there is no one that will be harmed by avoiding grains, beans, dairy and PUFAs.

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Paleo as typically recommended heavily suggests going low carb. This is because Paleo is billed as diet. The typical person who starts going paleo is looking to lose weight. The heavy low carb-ing is best for the stereotypical metabolically deranged and thus is the blanket recommendation (and recommended in strong language, often, inorder to get buy in). Low carb can cause all sorts of problems for certain people as has been mentioned. I aslo question the heavy condemnation of all fructose. Upping my fructose intake has been beneficial for me (at least in the short term on a low PUFA diet).

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It depends on what you mean by Paleo. I tried to "do Paleo" by following Mark Sisson.

It doesn't work for me.

The low carb makes me dizzy, unable to pay attention and to concentrate and prone to car accidents (unable to pay attention while driving). This is the "low carb flu".

For me, "low carb flu" is a permanent state when I'm doing Paleo. It doesn't go away with time, like Mark Sisson says.

Also, when in "low carb flu", I lose weight initially for about 2 weeks, and then I simply don't lose anymore. It just doesn't happen, the scale shows the same number every day.

Also, when doing paleo I have problems due to high uric acid. .

What I found that works for me better than Paleo, is the "Eat to Live" diet of Dr. Joel Fuhrman, which is mostly vegetarian. But this is no magic solution either.

Right now I'm trying the Life Extension Mix (it's a multivitamin and fitonutrient mix) + PQQ + Coenzyme Q10 + Resveratrol. It is clear that it boosts my metabolism, but unfortunately it also boost my appetite which I try to calm by taking lysine.

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As has been pointed out on other answers, it depends on your definition. The basic common 'paleo' principles are typical to msot good diets. If by vegetarian you mean including wheat and soy products then it's more a question of a diet you are able to adhere to by virtue of having a large industry working in your favour. It's not straight-forward to relearn everything to live off a different diet - that doesn't mean the diet itself can't work if you can do it right. – PrimalDanny Jan 18 2012 at 13:34

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