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Someone over at jackkruse.com asked what constitutes an insulin spike, which I would also like to know. How many points deviation means you have gone passed normal to abnormal. If your fasting bg is 88, you drink a whey protein and it goes up to 105 then declines, that seems normal to me; so what would the numbers look like in a spike that would be of concern?

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Good question -- and I'd add, at the risk of sounding dumb -- how do folks go about measuring this themselves, and is it something worth doing? – Albert Jul 20 2011 at 19:55
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One measures blood glucose with a meter like One Touch. I bought mine and the local drug store for about $20. (Note, test strips, etc are more expensive, but amazon.com has them fairly cheap). Personally, i think it is worth it to see how one is responding to food and how much improvement (or lack thereof) is occurring. – Laura Jul 20 2011 at 20:17

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"Insulin spike" is a bit of a misnomer, since it's really your blood sugar that's spiking, because you aren't producing enough insulin to keep up (or are resistant to its effects). Anyway, my understanding is that a healthy, insulin-sensitive person's blood sugar will never go over 120, even after a high-carb binge, and will be back in the normal (70-100) range within two hours. If yours goes over 120, or is still over 100 more than two hours after a meal, there's probably something you could address there.

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This is spot on advice – The Quilt Jul 21 2011 at 12:08
Except . . . what do you think about this? [Health Correlator](healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/2010/05/…) has an interesting article about this. – Nance Nov 1 2011 at 19:31
I'm not sure how they defined these individuals as "normoglycemic." If their BG levels stay high two or more hours after a meal, doesn't that indicate they are not normal? It seems like redefining the question away to me. – Aaron B. Nov 2 2011 at 1:23
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To add to Aaron's comment about how it's blood sugar that's actually being monitored:

I'd like to add that "Acute insulin spikes" are normal and necessary. In response to sensory stimuli (ie seeing food or smelling food), you secrete insulin to prepare the body for caloric intake.

In response to rising glucose levels (either by carb intake or protein intake thru gluconeogenesis) in the bloodstream, chemoreceptors signal the betacells in the pancreas to secrete insulin.

So, the spike itself is not abnormal, although prolonged and extreme spikes as a result of insulin resistance is indeed abnormal. Your blood sugar doesn't necessarily measure this. It's conceivable that one could have some insulin resistance, take in some glucose, and still have normal blood sugar levels, but only because they body is compensating for the resistance, and doing so by over-secreting and bathing receptor sites with excess insulin.

To test for levels and resistance, you'd want to do draw for insulin levels, c-peptide, insulin tolerance test (ITT), and glucose tolerance test (GTT).

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But the spike is prognostic. If your fasting BG is over 89 no matter what you have a metabolic issue with insulin – The Quilt Jul 21 2011 at 12:09
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nice one, Japsican. There is widespread misunderstanding of the difference between acute responses and chronic responses with regards to many of our bodies' hormonal actions. The ongoing discussions involved cortisol release is another example. – ben61820 Jul 21 2011 at 13:07
Thanks, Dr., you answered a question of mine. – Nance Nov 1 2011 at 19:32
But the OP is not asking about fasting BG, as he gave the example of drinking a whey protein shake... – The Japsican Nov 1 2011 at 21:48
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Here is a link that explains things in detail: http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/16422495.php

I am a T2 diabetic and anything that spikes me to 120+ and then does not return to my normal level within an hour is a concern, but eating the way I do I do not get spikes anymore and my BG is well within normal ranges.

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Thanks to one and all. I had begun measuring my bg a year ago in order to make sure I don't get T2D. I like doing periodic checking of various foods to see if they are giving me an unusual reaction, but I was not clear about what made for "spike." – Digby Jul 20 2011 at 22:01
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I'm insulin resistant. A glass of fruit juice sends my glucose levels into a dive...once below 30, which luckily happened in a hospital while getting the hypoglycemia test. My pancreas just doesn't get the ”hey, that's enough insulin” signal. Fructose is by far the worst trigger. Dextrose (glucose) doesn't seem to affect me nearly as bad.

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have you tried just eating whole fruits? maybe in combination with pro and fat? – cliff Nov 1 2011 at 18:50
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Insulin spikes are needed for the finalization of of your body to produce IGF-1 after a growth hormone spike. Insulin spikes are very anabolic, but the timing of them are critical for protein synthesis and the anabolic process. After a workout is the prime window to have an insulin spike and you don't need fructose or dextrose to accomplish it. Taking Branch Chain Amino Acids will cause an insulin spike just by themselves. Protein with BCAAs and some low GI carbs taken after a workout will maximize the insulin spike to produce IGF-1 and deliver amino acids into the muscle.

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I wish whoever gave you -1 had explained it! – Nance Nov 1 2011 at 19:34
Here is some of the research on BCAAs and insulin spikes. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21512300 – Paleo_Wes Nov 1 2011 at 20:29

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