Paleo Diet and Paleolithic Diet Questions & Answers

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I am on the 30 day challenge at day 22 or so, and am constantly hungry - so are my daughters who are 1 and 3 years old. I must be doing something wrong. I am fighting autoimmune problems so am going without fruit, nuts, nightshades, eggs, etc. and focusing only on meat and veggies to beat this. I am 5'6" 110 lbs. Here is a sample menu from today - some advice would be great.

Breakfast - tuna fish, onion, cucumbers, olive oil in lettuce wraps

lunch - 1/4 lb turkey burger in lettuce wrap with onion, 1/4 lb hamburger in lettuce wrap with onion, big green salad with olive oil dressing and zucchini

dinner - zucchini sauteed in olive oil w/onion, 1/2 carrot cut up with onion in homemade chicken stock, spaghetti squash with herbs and olive oil, 6 asparagus spears, 3.5 oz hallibut.

Any thoughts on what to add/change to make us all less hungry all the time and give us more energy? Is avocado acceptable on the whole30 even though autoimmune problems and no fruit?

flag	asked Jul 23 2011 at 23:39 Jill Hurley 61●5

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I don't know much about Whole30, so can't answer within that paradigm, but speaking just as me: Dang! That is not a lot of food; I'd be hungry too. And the only fat I see in there is a few splashes of olive oil. To me, this looks very, very (very) low fat. Any way to add some meat with some fat in there? – Rose Jul 24 2011 at 0:01

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Agreed. Overall portions seem small and slanted towards "lean" protein. Bottom line is that your fat intake needs to go up. I ate about 500 calories today (90% of which came from fat) and didn't feel any hunger pangs. Fat makes you satisfied, sugar makes you starved. – FED at LiveCaveman.com Jul 24 2011 at 0:10

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Eat more food. Eat more fat. I don't know the rules for the 30 day challenge, but if they aren't serving you and your health, screw 'em! Eat real food until you are full, end of story. When switching to grain free eating it is really easy to underestimate how much food you need on your plate. When you substitute lettuce leaves for 2 slices of sandwich bread you are trading 250 calories for 5 calories. I don't even believe in counting calories, but you've got to make up that deficit with something. Maybe steak for breakfast? One more meat patty at lunch. Up that halibut to 8-12oz. – Happy Now Jul 24 2011 at 10:23

gilliebean · Answer 1 · 2011-07-24 00:12:45Z UTC

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More fat. Way more veggies.

Choose meats that are fattier than turkey (but only if they're grass-fed).

Choose appropriate veggies and eat more of them!

Find a source of healthy lard (online somewhere).

Consider adding raw butter or ghee (I can't comment on how this will affect auto-immune issues).

answered Jul 24 2011 at 0:12

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Ditto the MORE FAT! Coconut oil, grass-fed tallow. Once the Whole 30 is over, add in pasture butter. – Lizzish Jul 24 2011 at 3:42

Nutritionator · Answer 2 · 2011-07-24 00:24:42Z UTC

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Fat is your remedy. Grass-fed beef is your friend. And a huge yes to the avocados. Fattier fish like salmon or shellfish instead of the tuna. Coconut oil is a wonderfood if you can stomach it. Ghee is pure fat and awesome for sautee, no autoimmune issues there once the milk proteins are removed.

answered Jul 24 2011 at 0:24

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	Where do I get ghee and what kind? Any recommendations? We can't handle coconut right now. – Jill Hurley Jul 24 2011 at 1:42
	You can make your own with pastured butter if you want, Whole9life.com has an easy way to do it, just go and search "ghee." I get it from the local farmers market premade when I'm lazy. – Nutritionator Jul 24 2011 at 1:46

Kelly · Answer 3 · 2011-07-24 01:02:46Z UTC

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way more fat!!

everyones ratios are different but you should be having at least 55-65% of your calories from good fats!

try getting your ratios better balanced (no more than 25g protein, max 50g carbs, and the above fats).....this hopefully will help!

good fat choices can include: butter, ghee, olive oil, avocado, nuts if you are eating, coconut of any kind: coconut milk, coconut oil, shredded dry coconut or even fresh! Salmon over tuna!!

answered Jul 24 2011 at 1:02

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	25g of protein? Is that a typo? – mari Jul 24 2011 at 11:38
	(blushing!!) yes!! that should be 25% protein....thanks for catching that!! – Kelly Jul 24 2011 at 13:32
	Thank you for the advice. I will definitely adjust for more fat! I have one more question. Both of my daughters are also on the paleo diet (trying to cure leaky gut) and lately they have both been peeing through their diapers at night. Any idea what causes this and what I need to do for them? They are 1 and 3 years old. – Jill Hurley Jul 25 2011 at 19:23

CaveRat · Answer 4 · 2011-07-24 06:23:07Z UTC

Fat, fat, and more fat - especially saturated. Coconut oil is good straight. And eggs - several a day even - are fine. Try to add non muscle meats such as liver or other organs. Bone broth (google that) is excellent. Don't try to combine paleo with fasting - you already feel the result.

There are several Questions here on this topic, so browse/search around for good Answers.

And have fun!

Edited to add: oops missed the skipping eggs part. Oh well, save them for later?

Becky · Answer 5 · 2011-07-24 00:35:49Z UTC

I have auto immune issues and eat 3 meals and 3 snacks a day. Meat/veggies for the main meal, grass-fed organic beef and lamb with the fat on, chicken with the skin on, ground turkey with added olive oil, sometimes wild salmon or other seafood...olives, avocado, and nuts for my snacks. I'm allergic to coconut as well and can't live without nuts. Fortunately I don't have any issues with them. Maybe you could try adding some nuts and see if you have any reactions. I think snacks would help you get through the day without getting too hungry. Maybe some berries or stone fruits in moderation as one of your snacks? Also use ghee for cooking, I'm allergic to dairy and have no problems with ghee.

redberry · Answer 6 · 2011-07-24 03:56:00Z UTC

Have you tried doubling the amount of food you eat for breakfast? I'd start with that, and increase the amount of food at other meals, too.

For the first time in my life I am now doing fine on three meals a day with no snacks. This is huge for me! It only started working when I began having four slices of bacon, five eggs, and one home-made protein/energy bar for breakfast each day.

themommybug · Answer 7 · 2011-07-24 00:06:05Z UTC

Hmmm.. curious to see what people say. I'm on the 30 challenge as well and also making the auto immune modifications. My hunger comes can goes. Some days I feel fine with what feels like a "normal" menu. Other days I'm ravenous. My naturopath wants me to follow a 45g carb, 50g protein diet... getting the balance of calories from fat, so that complicates things as well. I found that eating coconut oil and coconut milk really helped me feel satisfied, but alas, I think I might be allergic, so I cut that out a couple of days ago.

Good luck.

mindi · Answer 8 · 2011-07-24 02:33:18Z UTC

Add a couple of snacks during the day; the Whole30 Success guide recommends that in addition to your meals. Make sure to include some fat, protein and carb into each snack, especially for the kids. Definitely more fat as well. Good luck! I'm starting Whole 30 tomorrow and am a bit nervous about it!

Paleo 30 day challenge and hungry all the time! Please help!

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