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Mine were Denise Minger and Erwan Le Corre. Denise spoke about how to win an arguement with a vegetarian and Erwan with his fantastic accent spoke about Movnat. If you weren't there I believe you can watch them on the website (http://ancestryfoundation.org/) or will soon be able to. All in all it was just such a great event and so cool to see all these people in person. Although I'm pretty sure I overdosed on all the jerky samplers (i had just copious amounts of jerky for lunch today). Anyways all the collaboration and discussion was just fantastic. Already excited for next year! Who was your favorite speaker?

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Erwan LeCorre was just unreal........he rocked me. Lustigs talk on science was just raising my testosterone.......he finally got what I put in my quilt......and in two weeks its gonna be published in the Journal of Pediatrics. Folks Paleo has just turned a corner. – The Quilt Aug 7 2011 at 8:40
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I will throw in my 2 cents later when I have a chance to type. Overall was an amazing experience and I am so glad I could be a part of it. Kamal and I had an impromptu discussion with Stephan Guyenet, Chris Masterjohn and Staffan Lindeberg for 45 minutes which was AWESOME. I think Kamal and I needed to pinch ourselves a couple times since it was surreal. I have the bruise to prove it! – Aravind Aug 7 2011 at 16:46
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Oh? Are you sure it's not a LOVEBITE from Danielle??!!! – none Aug 7 2011 at 20:06
Interesting seeing Erwan LeCorre and Doug McGuff back to back. It's almost like American vs French views of ideal physiques. McGuff is ripped! I don't think he conveyed his message very well however. But American guys generally wanna be ripped like that I and I think culturally the french may prefer the more slender look. thouoghts? – Jeff Aug 8 2011 at 3:50

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Ok, my 2 cents. More commentary than value judgement

  • Boyd Eaton : His social commentary was very unexpected. Part of me was disappointed because I was hoping to hear more of his substantive research. Having said that, I think the social aspects of Paleo are so important, I'm glad that he focused on this irrespective of one's political / social ideological views
  • Loren Cordain : Nothing new at all. Not surprising
  • Guy-Andre Pelouze : Interesting. Dry delivery but getting the perspective of a guy that actually sees cardiovascular damage for a living and is a skeptic was cool
  • Don Matesz : He outlined a framework for his about-face but didn't bring it home in my opinion. Perhaps he will do so on the blog??? He was much softer spoken than I expected given his strong voice online
  • Stephan Guyenet : Nothing new since I've devoured the Food Reward series online, but I had to see him since I have a man crush on him. The Gary Taubes incident (with me as the collateral damage) was worth it. Almost makes up for the fact I missed Emily Deans since she was booked at the same time slot. I REALLY wanted to see her too
  • Dr BG and Tim Gerstmar : Dr BG was AWESOME. Super smart and super hot too. Lethal combination. This was one of my more favorite sessions because of the content and lively delivery
  • Craig Stanford : His background and experience in the field was fascinating. I don't think he adequately bridged the gap to humans but still it was interesting because if Don Matesz were smart, he would collaborate with this guy to support his about-face
  • Richard Feinman - Crotchy old guy with a great sense of humor. Loved him! At the end there were some jabs traded with Robert Lustig. Not quite of the Taubesian magnitude, but still cool to see giants in their field start to go at it. Lustig basically challenged Feinman that all carbs are not equal. Sound familiar???
  • Chris Masterjohn : There is a reason the word MASTER is in his name. He is the master of this stuff. Such a fluid delivery that even though it was nothing new, it still had me captivated. He is certainly on my Paleo man crush list!
  • Mat Lalonde : I'm soooo sick of the C-word - CONTEXT - but Mat drove the point home regarding the importance of context and substance in making arguments that are going to convince the scientific community. I was a little disappointed because he left us hanging regarding what his Paleo prescription is, but overall very deep presentation.
  • Denise Minger : Great energy and personality (and smoking hot). Not as scientific a topic as her China Study demolishment, but it was as much as possible given the topic. And Kamal threw me under the bus in front of 300 meat eaters. So the biggest dick at AHS was not Taubes, it was Kamal :-) EDIT - I talked to her later and we might hook up to talk about my "coming out" forced by Kamal. Maybe she will blog about it ?!!?
  • Nora Gedgaudas : Great topic. Most boring (i.e. noring) delivery of anyone I've seen. But based on the topic, I now need to add her book to the reading backlog
  • Melissa McEwen : This was not the kind of topic I expected from Melissa based on her sweet spot of Paleo commentary. She knocked it out of the park!!! I have even more respect for her now
  • Richard Nikoley : To summarize - "I've self experimented. Some shit worked. Some didn't. Overall lost 60 lbs. How about you?". He really had an opportunity to make this a great discussion topic. Not bad, just marginally good at best I would say
  • Doug McGuff : Kamal and I, in our sleep deprived / hungover state, could not get past the amusement value that his core slide showing the biochemistry of muscular activity was hand drawn looking like a 3rd grader with a broken arm drew it. Dude, you couldn't hire a Powerpoint jock to actually make a legible picture for your core concept?

BEST MOMENT (excluding Friday bar night and the subsequent menage a trois with Danielle and Kamal) -

Day 2 late afternoon in the hallway, Kamal and I started talking to Stephan Guyenet (not the first conversation since we cornered him at my hotel lobby on Friday too). Then Chris Masterjohn and Melissa join the conversation. Next Staffan Lindeberg joins and we are talking about everything from Gary Taubes comment, the biggest gaps in Stephan's Food Reward theory, the obnoxious behavior of ItTheWoo2 on his blog, to relative importance of macronutrients, issues with n=1, etc etc. Staffan Lindeberg asked Chris to give a recap of his session and then Chris The Master-john gave an amazing recap of his session in 5 minutes like he had prepared for it. Then a dude with familial hypercholesteremia joined the discussion and it got threaded back to Lindeberg's experience on Kitava....UNBELIEVEABLE!!!! I was at full mast with this conversation with such giants in the community.

My value-add in the conversation was when we were talking to Stephan about Kitava and then Lindeberg shows up. Stephan introduces Lindeberg to us and then I ask "we are talking about the Kitavans, have you heard of them?". Stephan did know whether to laugh or simply thought I was an idiot. Likely both. My momentary jack-assedness aside, I think Kamal would agree with me that this 45 minute impromptu discussion was a highlight of the session and worth the price of travel and admission!!!

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@LB - I asked Stephan the question you had (I think) regarding the mechanism when macronutrients are combined vs separate relative to Reward. This was actually the question I asked which Taubes cut in front of me :-) Stephan really didn't have an answer that was a slam dunk IMO but he acknowledged that too. – Aravind Aug 7 2011 at 19:02
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I want the soap opera version! WHo offended whom? Who got too wasted? Who smelled from no pooing too long? How awesome is Gone2Croatan? Did Dr. K really surf? Were there any fisticuffs, or at least drinks thrown in faces???????????????? I KNOW you can deliver this kind of information. – none Aug 7 2011 at 20:11
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I think I offended EVERYONE, but that was about as predictable as Danielle sleeping with me. Kamal joining us was TOTALLY unpredictable. Friday night I drank 4 long island iced teas and 2 shots of patron. Considering a long island has 4 shots per drink, that means I had the equivalent of 18 shots. The most scandalous part of the weekend was Kamal. Since I ate every meal with him, I witnessed gluten in all but one meal. He's a total poser. Take away his Paleo card. Plus once he is tired, he makes Dr Nora seem like she is a wildcat. Henceforth, you should call Kamal Nora and his comments noring – Aravind Aug 7 2011 at 20:21
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I expected Shari to be a sweetheart and she did not disappoint. G2C is a wild child - again expected. – Aravind Aug 7 2011 at 20:30
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@M - I'm still your man. Just keep it on the DL :-) – Aravind Aug 8 2011 at 0:40
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Most of the speakers were just excellent. I was so surprised by Denise Minger and what a funny and witty and all around wonderful person she seems to be. Not to get all gushy but she has a beautiful spirit. I look forward to seeing her continuing contributions to the community.

Mat Lalonde presented a hugely surprising message but a very needed one I think. I would like more on how to integrate his message though. I just wasn't quite sure what to do with it.

Melissa's talk was terrific. I probably heard the most new information from her.

I really loved hearing Robb live and in person. He is truly the golden boy and the one who will carry the message to the masses. We could not ask for a better messenger.

I was supremely disappointing in Gary Taubes treatment of Stephan. He reprimanded Stephan during the Q7A of Stephan's presentation and it was unnecessary. Stephan handled it with grace and dignity. Gary was simply rude and disrespectful and I really lost some respect for him.

From the comments here it seems I missed some really great presentations and I look forward to seeing them online. I actually look forward to watching all the presentations over again. I was in some horrendous back pain the last few days and had to take some pain medication that zoned me out quite a bit so even though I was there I think I really wasn't ALL there unfortunately.

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I have a wonderful picture of the two of us that I will post to FB. If Danielle was not so jealous, I would totally make it my PH profile pic :-) – Aravind Aug 7 2011 at 19:18
I took a wonderful photo??? THIS I have to see. I am sure it was just the reflection of your uber-studdliness making me look good. Or else I was shitfaced, lol. I can't wait to see it! – Shari Bambino Aug 7 2011 at 19:22
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Paleohackers: All were totally amazingly cool. Conversation was a good mix of nutrition discussion, bad jokes, and debauchery. Interesting tidbit: WCC Paul looks like Dr. House.

Stephan Guyenet: So cool. The Steve McQueen of paleo. Everybody was really nice (well, maybe not Taubes), but Stephan especially seems like he's chillaxing 24/7, even though he has a ton of knowledge about everything. I do not see why Gary Taubes was antagonistic. Stephan presented a hypothesis. He clearly said that food reward was one important factor out of many. Nobody has to be the paleo alpha male with a unifying theory to explain everything.

Chris Masterjohn: Also so cool. Stephan and Chris are both the type who are not wedded to their opinions. Very curious about other people's viewpoints and logical in discussion. Chris is a dynamite presenter. If someone had to give a yearly state-of-the-union address for the paleo community, I would nominate him. I hope he graduates soon and starts the definitive paleo clinical trial.

Don Matesz: I'm not sure what to make of his presentation, but it was interesting. On the one hand, he bucked the system in so far as he looked at alternative views of animal-based diets vs plant-based diets. There are some things that I am curious about and want to read more about. On the other hand, I wonder if he is retrofitting nutrition information into his eastern medicine ideology of "draining" plants and "congesting" vegetables without good reason.

Final verdict: AHS was by far the most interesting and fun conference I've ever been to. I really appreciate the companionship of fellow paleohackers, and the effort that (most) presenters went to. I hope that Aravind and Danielle have a wonderful life together. Presuming that there is a conference next year, I hope to talk more to some paleohackers that I briefly encountered (Food Lovers, Dave S., etc etc). Paleo draws in some very cool people.

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Kamal - you are the bastard love child of our marriage – Aravind Aug 7 2011 at 23:21
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Oh and lest we forget "man is blasé". WTF dude??? – Aravind Aug 7 2011 at 23:31
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I keep hearing that quote in my head and am LMFAO!!! – Aravind Aug 7 2011 at 23:49
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it was great meeting the paleohacks crowd IRL! – Bread-Eating Beelzebub Aug 8 2011 at 1:10
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And let's not forget, boys: Woman also blasé. – Paul Aug 8 2011 at 1:18
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Emily Deans' presentation was one of the first of the weekend to offer new information. She was also humble and charming. Very impressive and useful information, most people know someone suffering from depression. I was interested to learn more about the magnesium deficiency and it's relation tithe stress response. Very well done and well delivered.

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For sure!!!!!!! – Stabby Aug 7 2011 at 18:37
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My favorite two speakers were Boyd Eaton and Frank Forencich. Eaton's perspective on global and societal problems is similar to mine and to hear him tie that in an ancestral lifestyle was very interesting. Forencich's presentation was about learning from hunter-gatherers to observe the world around us and use our brains to figure out patterns in nature etc. He talked about the "zoo" we live in (LeCorre's term)and what it means to be fit in an evolutionary and natural way. I would love to check out his seminar in October. I will post his website when I get my notebook out of my car.

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I also liked Forencich's presentation.. especially how he touched on how our minds drawn to certain landscapes and habitats. The video he showed was moving. He has an good book on many of these themes called "Change your body, Change the World". – Andy Aug 7 2011 at 16:39
Plus one....... – The Quilt Aug 7 2011 at 16:49
Andy, I was wondering if he had a book. I'll check it out, thanks. – Danielle Aug 7 2011 at 17:28
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@Danielle - This is going to be complicated, but stick with me ok.... – Aravind Aug 7 2011 at 20:03
I'm looking at the slides from his presentation right now. Oh, it's just killing me that I couldn't be there. Thanks to everyone for tweeting, blogging, and hacking about it. – Rose Aug 7 2011 at 21:21
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I don't have a single favorite. My favorites were Dr. Emily Deans, Boyd Eaton, and Dr BG. Boyd Eaton's insightful discussion of the human condition set a great tone. Dr. Deans presentation on evolutionary psychiatry was fascinating. Dr. BG was funny and provided very practical info on the gut. I'm looking forward to watching the other half of the symposium online.

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Dr. BG was really good too. Forgot about her. – The Quilt Aug 7 2011 at 16:51
Plus one........ – The Quilt Aug 7 2011 at 16:52
Yeah, Dr. BG is a trip. Transitions between sex jokes and poop jokes with ease. Lots of good recommendations in her presentation. I haven't looked at her blog since it went off line a long time ago, but it's time to give it another look... – Kamal Aug 7 2011 at 22:30
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I would like to give some props to Robb Wolf as well. I didn't watch his talk, I chose to see Matesz, which was underwhelming although his point about fructose turning to fat without the presence of vitamin c (as in fruits) was interesting and perhaps should be included along with Lustig's theories about fiber being required for proper metabolism.

Robb probably has the biggest 'rock star' type of following. Whether or not it is warranted is up for debate, but he has probably brought more people into the paleo world than anybody else (although I was paleo before I knew of him).

He was swamped by people pretty much constantly, but always was polite, attentive, and happy to answer everybody's questions. Also, when he would comment during the q&a sessions they were always positive, poignant comments. As opposed to others who appeared to have more interest in cutting people down, stroking their own egos, or promoting their own theories.

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I loved Robb's comment at the end of Denise's presentation. "if people aren't interested in Paleo, fuck 'em!" – Aravind Aug 7 2011 at 22:42
yeah, and kudos to you for coming out in front of all those people! Sorry we didn't get to meet, I was sitting right in the front row next you and taubes during the whole 'incident'. – Jeff Aug 7 2011 at 22:55
Apparently lots of young men have man-crushes on Robb Wolf, as they were buzzing around him. There were just as many people buzzing around Dr. Mike Eades. Definitely a split between the low- and high-carbers. – The Loon Aug 7 2011 at 23:06
I saw more than a few middle aged women clammering around him too lol – Jeff Aug 7 2011 at 23:15
Around Eades or Wolf? – The Loon Aug 8 2011 at 3:30
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I really enjoyed Chris Masterjohn and lustig the most.

I had a moment of clarity when Dr. Eades suggested that the liver (and not the pancreas) is what should be regulating blood sugar. Makes perfect sense, and modern diets are burning out peoples' pancrease.

I lost a litte respect for Taubes, it's one thing to question Stephan's hypotheses but he went a step too far and was just plain insulting.

Also really learned a lot about what makes a good presenter/presentation, and what makes a bad one, aside from their beliefs of knowledge they're sharing.

All in all I really enjoyed it though. And yes that jerky was awesome.

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Taubes was a dick, plain and simple, while Stephan maintained his class. And Taubes is one to question people on cherry picking data. Kitavins anyone? – Aravind Aug 7 2011 at 16:22
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@Quilt - maybe we might agree since the substance of the argument is a different issue as I noted. However the delivery in a public forum, particularly since Stephan Guyenet is probably one of the most thoughtful and nicest guys in this space just made it very inappropriate. – Aravind Aug 7 2011 at 16:48
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Stephan has been explicit in stating that Food Reward is a DOMINANT factor, not THE factor. To quote him - "First, I want to point out that although food reward is important, it's not the only factor. Heritable factors (genetics and epigenetics), developmental factors (uterine environment, childhood diet), lifestyle factors (exercise, sleep, stress) and dietary factors besides reward also play a role. That's why I called this series "a dominant factor in obesity", rather than "the dominant factor in obesity"....Gary Taubes however remains intransigent in his position... – Aravind Aug 7 2011 at 16:53
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Well aravind.....I railed Taubes on my podcast.....and it appears his new approach will serve him well when he faces Dr Oz again. And just so you know....in the low carb world Stephen pissed off a lot of obese people with that series and Taubes was having none of it. I understand where you're coming from but I have no problem with disputes in a tribe. In the end they are all good in my view. – The Quilt Aug 7 2011 at 16:54
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Actually here is my biggest issue which you will see in the post game video. You will notice that Gary Taubes actually cut in front of me to ask his question. HE CUT IN FRONT OF ME! Does he know who I am??? Oh yeah, no he doesn't :-) – Aravind Aug 7 2011 at 17:10
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Ok, we'll have to keep in mind that I was either too hungover or too blasé to attend too many of the talks, but I think I still have a few interesting things to say, and to reverse paraphrase Aravind, opinions are like flowers, and I don't think it smells nice enough in here yet.

My favorites were the following (I'll let you decide if they're in alphabetical order or not):

Don Matesz. I thought the talk had a nice shape to it, which I appreciate. He set us up with a bunch of anti-establishment sounding material which got my riled up, but by the end he had me thinking he was a very reasonable man. I didn't think his message was really all that low-fat. Really the take away from it was: if you're going to be eating a lot of meat and fat, make sure you're also getting a lot of bitter and planty things along with it: tea, coffee, cilantro, arugula, lemons, spices, you name it. Judging by the interest we've shown in this question about herbs from yesterday, I think there might be some sympathy for this point of view. Don backed it up with some research and also with some Eastern philosophy, but I've backed it up with my own self-experimentation, which matters quite a bit to me.

Incidentally, the idea that we should eat lots of herbs and spices might be somewhat at odds with Stephan's food reward ideas. This could be another productive tension for us paleo thinkers.

Melissa McEwen. I might be choosing this as one of my favorites just because I share Melissa's obsession with gut health, but I might also be choosing it because I found it very persuasive. We just need to think a whole lot more about why different people's guts are so vastly different (even people who are very similar genetically). Every time I hear about gut health I'm reminded of what happened when I was once giving a lecture on trees (don't ask) and a mushroom specialist in the audience told me that trees wouldn't be alive if it weren't for the fungi living around their roots in a co-dependent way. There's a big interconnected world out there and it's important for us humans not to forget that a lot of it is microscopic.

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More fodder for a roundtable debate/discussion next year. What would you recommend as the best generic weight-loss template for a paleo eater? Sit some luminaries around a table (Stephan with the food reward, Don armed with his plants, etc etc) and let them have at it. – Kamal Aug 9 2011 at 0:48
In general I think there could have been a lot more Q-and-A and also discussion between speakers at the conference. No time for that, you say? Well, just have fewer speakers. Once it becomes an annual thing you can institute a rule that no one can speak on consecutive years. I know of an academic society in the United States that does that. – Paul Aug 9 2011 at 3:23
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Thank you for the link. I couldn't find the link for LeCorre and Minger but I read Cordain's rebuttal to the Yahoo Main Page hit-piece on Paleo. It sounds like Cordain is not so big on bacon/sausage. It sounds like he's more for lean meats and omega-3 fats over saturated fat.

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Cordain stance is softening on this......we heard that at this conference. – The Quilt Aug 7 2011 at 14:00
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That's a good thing because I'm packing some serious saturated fat lately. I have been neglecting my Omega 3 lately though. I'm waiting on some money so I can do fish oil capsules. I like Life Extension products. Do you have a recommendation for omega 3 supplements? – BAMBAM Aug 7 2011 at 14:40
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yes cordain seemed to begrudgingly softening on this – Jeff Aug 7 2011 at 15:46
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I take Nordic naturals omega-3, fantastic products. – Danielle Aug 7 2011 at 16:15
Thanks Danielle. I will look for it. I googled it and found a source nearby. Thanks! – BAMBAM Aug 7 2011 at 17:45
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Definitely Craig Stanford, Emily Deans, Jamie Scott, Denise Minger, and Mat Lalonde! I loved Chris', but I had heard it about 5 times already ;)

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Melissa yours was really awesome too! I learned a whole lot of new things, whereas some of the others were just preaching to the choir – Jeff Aug 7 2011 at 18:24
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Nerdiest in a good way paleo couple: Melissa and Chris – Kamal Aug 7 2011 at 22:52
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Erwan LeCorre, Lustig Matt and Jaime .......

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Thanks, Quilt, for your detailed blog post on AHS -- it really made me wish I'd been there. And I agree with your note above about Taubes growing claws. He's taken on a giant burden (it's pretty clear he's the face of the revolution, whether everyone here agrees with him in all respects or not) and I suspect it's way bigger than he ever thought it would be years ago when he set out to write GCBC. – Rose Aug 7 2011 at 17:14
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plus one Rose......I appreciate your words. I think all of our community has to realize that we need look out for one another. Dr Eefeldt made this exact point in his talk when he said low carb community could teach the paleo community a lot and vice versa.....His talk, especially the changing color of the US map since 1985 with respect to BMI was eye popping. Jimmy Moore got me to reading Eenfeldt and he is a real nice guy. – The Quilt Aug 7 2011 at 18:31
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There needs to be a a discussion between low carb and high carb paleo sides of this tribe. If you want large scale acceptance my the scientific community and medicine this bridge building has to occur. Like it or not.....Taubes is a leader who can apply leverage alone that most of us cant. As Erwan Le Corre pointed out in his lecture when we band together we can do far more than we can do alone. And when we work together it makes us feel better and decrease our stress level. – The Quilt Aug 7 2011 at 19:06
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As I have asserted many times (but without the street cred to back it up), we need to clearly distinguish between the importance of macronutrients vis-a-vis the CAUSE of metabolic derangement and REMEDIATION once metabolic derangement occurs. I think the continued blurring of this line is a DOMINANT factor in the two sides of the debate – Aravind Aug 7 2011 at 19:15
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Quilt - I agree. You are a nut, but not a coconut, more like a peanut which isn't really a nut. Stick with me on this one – Aravind Aug 7 2011 at 20:10
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Anyone run into Paul Jaminet? I understand that he attended. If they get him to speak at the next one, I'm there.

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Kamal and I sat near him and his wife during the Doug McGuff session and a couple times in the hallway. Really wanted to talk to him but couldn't make it happen. Bummed! I am a big PHD fan. Great book and blog! – Aravind Aug 9 2011 at 0:24
He was wearing powder blue Vibrams. Total badass. – Kamal Aug 9 2011 at 0:33
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Aravind, wish we'd gotten a chance. It's great to put faces to web names. Travis, I do expect to speak next year. Will also be speaking at the WAPF Wise Traditions meeting in November, and at some local New England events the next few months. – Paul Jaminet Aug 9 2011 at 3:30
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Paul, a bunch of us ate rice for dinner in honor of you two. Looking forward to your talk next year. Nobody talked much about supplements, and I know you know a thing or two about that. – Kamal Aug 9 2011 at 5:01
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Frank Forencich's talk on ancestral health and Michael Mew's talk on orthotropics.

Michael's talk because it opened my eyes to information that I didn't know: the shape of the face is postural. And our facial posture is deteriorating.

Frank's talk because it was THE talk that was actually about ancestral health. What would health actually have looked like to our ancestors? Hint... it's A LOT more than diet and exercise.

Thought the whole experience was fantastic and enjoyed every talk I went to.

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I didn't see michaels. I will have to check out the video, sounds interesting. – Danielle Aug 11 2011 at 7:03
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I enjoyed Dr. Feinman's talk of the talks I attended.

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The Scandinavians. "We're from Norway," over and over again. Too patient.

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I was working there and missed so many talks, but I really liked Minger, Lustig, Gedgaudis. I can't wait for the videos.

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I also really loved the presentation by Dr. BG and Tim Gerstmar. Lots of useful, interesting information and amazing delivery too. It all just started to click in my head. Lots to think about. I even got to meet them too...

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