Paleo Diet and Paleolithic Diet Questions & Answers

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If I go over 80-100 grams of protein I'm up all night peeing 3-4-5 times.

What do I eat? Shredded coconut and sweet potato are starting to get old.

I figure as a 160lb high metabolism/active hardgainer type I need 3k calories a day.

100grams of protein of 93% lean ground beef is 740 calories. 80g is 590. 150 grams of carbs worth of sweet potato is 660 calories. 200 carbs is 880.

So at 200grams of carbs/day and 100grams of protein/day I'm looking at 1620 calories. That means I need to get like 1400 calories from fat.

Coconut Milk irritates my stomach/makes me sleepy. Olive Oil isn't great due to the omega 6. Avocado is very expensive. Nuts are high in omega 6, expensive & in high amounts make me feel bad. I've had a dairy intolerance thing my whole life. Marrow Bones are time consuming to eat. I cook with coconut oil.

What do I eat? What kind of oils can I put on salads..seems like half of it ends up lining the bowl isntead of my veggies lol? Can I go higher carb?

Anyone have a good quick plantains recipe for in the oven? They take too long and too much attention frying.

More Animal fats, but isn't the fat in conventional meat bad due to omega 6? And grass fed meats are pretty lean? Still working on getting grass-fed stuff into my diet.

Thanks for any help. I recognize there is a certain amount of deal with and spend the money or deal with and spend the time factor here. But I'd like to avoid both of those if possible!

It would be really great if I could eat more protein.

flag	asked Aug 10 2011 at 2:26 Kyle 1,639●3●15

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wait, why are you restricting carbs? – g. Aug 10 2011 at 2:45

I'm just under the impression that lots of carbs aren't good for you. Worried about hyperinsulinism. – Kyle Aug 10 2011 at 13:30

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carbs are great for people who work out and are trying to gain weight. like you. – g. Aug 10 2011 at 18:50

I'm not necessarily trying to gain weight, but it would be cool. I was just under the impression that going over 200grams of carbs can bring problems. Is there a # of carbs thats ok to go up to as long as its good carbs? – Kyle Aug 10 2011 at 19:32

I eat around 400-500 grams worth of carbs with no problems. If your active you could get away with it. – ROB Aug 24 2011 at 19:30

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citrusfire · Accepted Answer · 2011-10-15 00:07:58Z UTC

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Getting up to pee a lot at night is a cortisol issue. Not from eating a normal amount of protein. Eat more protein. Eat more period. Stop doing whatever is stressing you/your body out. Probably not eating and/or resting enough.

answered Oct 15 2011 at 0:07

citrusfire
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	I was under the impression that there could be tons of different causes of frequent urination? Protein clearly has an affect on this for me. When I eat more protein I pee more When I eat less protein I pee less. I´m not saying the Cortisol thing is impossible for me, but my job is zero stress. I don´t kill myself exercising. I will say though that my sleep could be better. I live in a noisy household and this affects my sleep quality, and I´ve always been a poor sleeper (improved a lot on paleo). But I make an effort to get to bed on time, and I very rarely wake up to an alarm. – Kyle Oct 15 2011 at 0:30
	The dog does function as an alarm a couple times a week though..which is why I have been going to bed earlier and earlier – Kyle Oct 15 2011 at 0:31
	If I let myself eat as much protein as I want I definitely eat a caloric surplus. I love eating till I feel like exploding. Now there is a good chance I am at a deficit – Kyle Oct 15 2011 at 0:34
	So, looks like I was under stress and didn't even realize it. Over the past 8 months I realized I was under stress, and have been working on it. I finally got an ASI test done and it looks like I have elevated cortisol at night. Which is probably the primary cause of this with protein working in there some where – Kyle Mar 10 at 0:12
	paleohacks.com/questions/184188/… – Kyle Mar 10 at 0:12

Shari Bambino · Answer 2 · 2011-08-10 03:16:11Z UTC

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I'd be putting a whole lot of butter on those sweet potatoes but since you are intolerant can you do ghee? You can make your own very easily so it's just the cost of butter really.

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	I've never tried ghee! Seems easy. Hopefully it's inexpensive. I'll give it a shot, thanks! – Kyle Aug 10 2011 at 13:31
	It's kind of pricey actually which is why many of us just make our own. It's so easy to make it's crazy. There are how to videos online but you basically just melt the butter and cook the solids off so you are left with just the fat. Much better for those with dairy intolerance. – Shari Bambino Aug 10 2011 at 17:51
	I would definitely make my own if it saves money. I need to research a good source of butter! – Kyle Aug 10 2011 at 19:32
	Kyle most here use Kerry Gold which you can find in a lot of stores. It's cheap and very good quality. I usually do two pounds at a time but start with a pound or even half a pound until you get the technique down. You can burn this so go slow and watch it like a hawk on your first try. – Shari Bambino Aug 10 2011 at 19:48

saiklón · Answer 3 · 2011-08-10 18:06:29Z UTC

As a 160lb hard-gainer, if you are sure you are hitting all the bases with micronutrients, minerals, EFAs, etc then just add in some white rice for any carbs you seem to be lacking. Adjust the amount as necessary, there is likely to be some level that your body does well on for the amount of excercise you are doing. If you really want to be paleo then you can use fruit, sweet potatos, etc but most people don't have issues with white rice. White rice is usually easier to obtain and goes with everything.

Also, do some research and consider upping your protein especially if you are trying to add muscle and little fat.

Lastly, be careful in your paleo research. A lot of people here are trying to lose weight and have metabolic issues. A lot of advice doesn't apply to you as much, if you don't have these issues.

P.S. I seem to have a similar issue with waking-up in the very early morning to urinate. For me I think its more that my body is processing a lot of crap at the end of the day. I workout hard at night (for which I drink lots of water) and then eat tons of food right before bed. I am just guessing here but that probably leaves lots of water and byproducts of metabolism in my bladder that my body wants to get rid of. I think part of the solution, at least in my case, has been to be more hydrated prior to working out, which lessens the need to drink copious amounts of water during and after, and make sure your electrolytes are balanced. Additionally, try to get more of your protein earlier in the day if you eat right before bed like me. Have more carbs at night, which will help you sleep better too due to increased tryptophan to the brain (think Thanksgiving lunch/dinner effects) and leaves less protein to be processed by your kidneys while you are sleeping.

Kyle · Answer 4 · 2011-10-14 22:27:08Z UTC

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This week I´ve experimented with not eating any protein after like 3-4 in addition to limiting amount. It´s worked great, only peeing once a night. But that leaves me eating a couple sweet potatoes or 3 plantains at night. And I usually will eat a sweet potato during the day too just to get calories. All the carbs seem to make me hungry all the time... I smother everything in coconut oil or fat from the meat. Also eat lots of shredded coconut. Not a big fan of eating like this I feel restricted at night like there is nothing I can eat or I will be up all night peeing. So frustrating.

Could it be possible some food intolerance is the cause of this and not just the protein thing? Or any other possibility? I have a hard time finding anyone else with this problem.

Definitely going to continue to experiment.

answered Oct 14 2011 at 22:27

Kyle
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	Have you sent this question into Robb Wolf? This doesn't sound normal to me. Also, how much water are you drinking? – gilliebean♦ Oct 14 2011 at 22:33
	I hope I don´t sound like a whiner in these posts. Just frustrated and with eating this many carbs and restricting protein, I feel like I have lost a lot of the benefits of paleo, I don´t feel satiated and it seems like my energy is less consistent. – Kyle Oct 14 2011 at 22:35
	Yea gillie I´ve sent it to him and Chris Kresser. It´s been awhile since i sent it to both and I probably got too wordy..I will send it again I guess. I´ve been limiting water. I drink a bunch when I wake up and basically just drink when thirsty after that. 3 hours before bed I try to basically drink none except some sips when throat is dry. This could be a factor since I am not measuring it, but protein definitely far and away seems like the biggest factor – Kyle Oct 14 2011 at 22:37
	Your fear of carbs is unfounded, the benefits of paleo have nothing to do with carb restriction. Just get your protein in before 2-3pm and eat a light dinner. If that works for you I see nothing wrong with it, eating heavy dinners seems to cause problems for some. If you always feel hungry eating carbs up your food intake, no shame in eating healthy food.... White potatoes, fruit and white rice are your friend :) – cliff Oct 14 2011 at 22:55
	cliff - so the always hungry feeling is from the lack of calories, not the carbs? Tomorrow I will try out a couple huge protein meals but be done with protein by 3 and see how it goes! thanks. – Kyle Oct 14 2011 at 23:13

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Molly · Answer 5 · 2011-08-10 12:53:46Z UTC

A few of my favorite fatty foods, when you take out coconut milk, nuts, and everything else good in life ;)

Eggs: They're a cheap source of protein and fat, even the high omega-3 varieties are cheap compared to meat and avocados.

Salmon: A little spendy, but I look for the big wild caught frozen filets on sale at the supermarket. Cook a bunch for the week and mix it with avocado or scramble it in eggs

Unsweetened Coconut Flakes: Might be a little easier on the stomach than coconut milk. I buy them at the indian supermarket where they're cheaper than the health food store.

Basil Pesto for dressing meat, veggies and spaghetti squash. here's one recipe: http://everydaypaleo.com/2010/06/29/grilled-chicken-with-walnut-pesto-sauce-and-warm-arugula-salad/ a little bit of pesto in your salad dressing will thicken it up too.

DIY mayo: its really not that hard, and you can use omega 3 eggs and whatever oil you like. I've used a combination of light olive and coconut oil, which its great for curried chicken salad. Again, can be used to thicken up salad dressing as well. Alton Brown has a good tutorial on mayo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bKya9uMHYs

Hope these help!

Kyle · Answer 6 · 2012-06-23 13:44:40Z UTC

So I thought I'd do an update to see if anyone had any ideas of what might help, since I'm still dealing with this problem:

1) Digestive Enzymes seem to help the problem, I can take them and eat more meat and still only wake up a couple times (instead of what would have been 4 times before probably). But I can only take 1 of those at a time or they bother me a bit.

2) IF helps. I don't do IF on purpose or regularly but I noticed a few times where I went through some food restriction I could eat larger protein meals later at night and wake up less. Not sure if that's because I may be eating less total protein or something else..

3) There is definitely a water consumption aspect to it (obviously) I've been consciously limiting my water intake as well.

Night before last I woke up 0 times and I felt so refreshed in the morning. Last night I woke up 2 or 3 and I feel a lot worse.

What do I eat? Protein makes me Pee all night.

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