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My mother still thinks it's healthy. What can I tell her is wrong with it and why breast milk is ideal?

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Please tread gently. If you were a formula fed baby any amount of extended discussion you have on this could - whether it's your intent or not - come across as judging your mom in her capacity as a mother. In any case as you're long since grown up any arguments/discussions about it will probably not win her over, and might only serve to fracture your relationship. The only time it might be worth being more emphatic is if she's a caregiver for children of yours and you think that she might otherwise offer your breastfed child formula in your absence. – familygrokumentarian Aug 18 2011 at 2:49
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+1 for not coming off as judging your mom. If your mother is trying to get you to formula feed, you can just tell her that you are convinced about the benefits (don't talk disadvantages of formula) and you have made your decision of what is right for you and your child. End discussion. – Karen Aug 18 2011 at 10:18
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When I convinced my mother that "extended" breastfeeding was a childs birthright and why it was so important (even though I was soy-formula fed from 3 months old) I just told her that we are children of our time and everyone does their best with the knowledge they posess at the time. I have the internet and countless studies to rely on. She was alone, without support or knowledge in a time where pormula was believed to be an acceptable alternative. How could I, she or anyone else judge her for that? But still she had to know the facts to be able ro support me in extended breastfeeding = 2.5 y. – coffeeandcream Aug 18 2011 at 12:13
Haha pormula = formula – coffeeandcream Aug 18 2011 at 12:14

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As the mother of premature twins who breastfed for fourteen months, I feel qualified to say that formula is a godsend and quite literally saved my sanity.

My babies got tons and tons of good, healthy breast milk. But they got a decent amount of "poisonous" formula, too, and I will not sit back and allow anyone to make me, or any other mother, feel bad about that.

Breastfeeding in modern America is hard. It's not just producing milk. That is the easy part. Getting it out of your body and into the baby at the right times is the hard part. Until you have juggled the logistics of breastfeeding an infant while trying to, god forbid, hold down a job, sleep, and continue to be a human being, you have no right to tell a mother what she should or shouldn't do. Here is who you can lecture:

-business owners, politicians, law enforcement, and any other jackass who has the balls to ask a publicly breastfeeding mother to stop or be more discreet.

-employers who don't give paid maternity leave for at least six months

-legislators who won't mandate said maternity leave

-milk banks that solicit "donations" and they sell it for high profits

I know this doesn't directly answer the question, but I don't think any formula vs breast milk conversation that implies it is as simple as buying a different liquid at the store is realistic.

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Mentioning that breast milk is better is different that labeling formula poison and proposing roadblocks to accessing it. That, to me, feels akin to judgment. I also wanted to add conversation about social factors that inhibit breastfeeding. While it's true that few women are biologically incapable of breastfeeding, there are many women who are logistically incapable and I think it's important for anyone discusses benefits of breastfeeding to have a better understanding of the real reasons most women don't. It's usually not lack of knowledge. – Sally Aug 18 2011 at 3:03
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if we considered breast milk default and formula as medicine, then we would see a lot more laws that would help women breastfeed. But because we see formula as a viable alternative, it gives employers a great excuse to say "OK, your three months is up, come back to work or you are fired. Oh, breast is best? Well formula is perfectly good." – Bread-Eating Beelzebub Aug 18 2011 at 3:09
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thank you, sally. excellent points, all. thank you for posting. this is not a black and white issue for those of us who have struggled. – being Aug 18 2011 at 3:25
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Melissa, you make some good points and I agree with them. However, it's not so simple. You're right that it's cultural, but it's deeply ingrained. How does your theory explain that breastfeeding rates are so low in the UK when we have such good maternity and parenting rights in comparison to the states? – Efaitch Aug 18 2011 at 8:29
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Sally thank you for such a great post! I believe that formula is an important tool in a mother's toolbox. And I think that you really highlighted that well! – Thumper Aug 18 2011 at 15:52
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Don't discuss the so-called benefits of breastmilk. Breastmilk is biologically normal. Discuss the risks of formula. Increased risk of Sids, weaker leg muscles, increased risk of asthma and respitory diseases, increased risk of ear infections, increased risk of obesity.

http://m.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201108/in-light-last-weeks-posts-is-pushing-formula-evil

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formula should be thought of as a drug for people with medical issues preventing breastfeeding (very very rare and those people should consider donor milk). It should only be available by prescription. – Bread-Eating Beelzebub Aug 18 2011 at 2:15
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Ouch, Melissa. That is really not a very understanding view of the current state of our mothering culture. I work with new moms and the difficulties that many have with breastfeeding have much more to do with the current state of pre-natal & birth "care" in our medical system (leading to separation & trauma) and far less to do with a lack of desire to nurse. Pregnancy & birth need to be seen as a normal part of life and not a medical event for breastfeeding to become normalized in our culture. – Dragonfly Aug 18 2011 at 4:33
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There is also a lack of continuum--US women do not get to learn from other women in their "tribes". Many of us in my generation will have learned about breastfeeding from videos and younger moms. My mom didn't breastfeed me--it wasn't encouraged in 1963 in the hospital where she gave birth. Yes, formula f*d up my gut/immune system (now healed, thanks to Primal eating), but a stressed-out mother would likely be passing on some "toxic" catecholamines to me if she were "forced" to nurse me against her will. I think education and compassion are needed. (and a more Primal birth culture!) – Dragonfly Aug 18 2011 at 4:42
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Are you serious? Formula is no more engineered than any other processed food. Making formula prescription-only is effectively banning it for the portion of the population that has no insurance, or does not believe in the allopathic medical model of care. Not all moms are going to want to interact with the medical system in order to feed their child--some of them have been traumatized by the medical system and won't go near a doctor. My mom couldn't afford the formula the hospital started me on, so she fed me sweetened condensed milk (and I'm not the only one, from the stories, I've heard!) – Dragonfly Aug 18 2011 at 13:00
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Believe me, Melissa, I was just as admamant in my (similar) beliefs 5 years ago, before I started working with moms. If you are at all interested in educating yourself about the real difficulties many women face when trying to breastfeed, you can log on to the breastfeeding challenges forum at Mothering.com. mothering.com/community/f/363/… Since you are a moderator of PaleoHacks, I think it would be really helpful for you to broaden your perspective. Legislating nutrition sources on any level threatens all of our freedoms-- be it raw milk or formula. – Dragonfly Aug 18 2011 at 13:14
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The NUMBER ONE Most important thing is that the baby gets fed. No matter how that happens.

No mother is less of a mother if they have problems breastfeeding. The attitude that you are poisoning your child is just a terrible one.

Breastfeeding came very easy to my son and I. I consider that we were very lucky - he thrived and I produced enough milk to feed a small army. But not everyone is like me. And who the hell am I (or anyone else for that matter) to judge them on what they need to do to feed their baby. Like the guilt associated with being unable to breastfeed isn't enough we have to tell the new mother that they are poisoning their child. Hello PPD!

Sure - I will be the first to say that Breast is Best - HOWEVER...S**t happens, and some women and babies just can't connect with the breast. And then it's not a choice it's what they have to do. I know many mom's and babies that had to switch to formula - they are all thriving and healthy. I myself was a preemie and was formula fed - I managed to survive, and thrive thank you very much.

There are SO MANY judgements that are thrust upon you as a parent by other people. This one just really gets my blood boiling.

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Bree, you said that in a much better way than I could! – Efaitch Aug 18 2011 at 19:18
Hmmm...anonymous downvote...that sucks – Thumper Aug 18 2011 at 22:31
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sorry bree. that does suck. i think this is a lovely answer and i would upvote you again if i could. – being Aug 19 2011 at 17:18
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I'm sure others can chime in with more info, but my area of expertise is gut development and infant's fed formula have

  • less diverse gut flora, which is connected to gut problems later on
  • higher risk of life-threatening gut infections in infancy
  • more "bad" gut bacteria associated with increased gut permeability and obesity
  • higher risk of food allergies

It also effects brain development, but I don't have time to write everything about this ATM. I will suggest looking at the blog posts at Moral Landscapes, though don't share them with your mom because they are kind of shrill.

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Some of the other posts are kind of proving what I was intended to tell you. Be careful how you present this information to your mother. It may feel as if you are accusing her of doing the wrong thing with you if she bottle fed you. It could lead to her feeling defensive and may be why she is so adamant that it's good even though there is plenty of evidence out there that breast is best - if you are able to do it.

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I think the point made that breastfeeding is the norm needs to be clearer - breast isn't best, it's normal.

And, let's not forget that formula (usually cows) is for baby cows. Breastmilk is a living substance that contains immunoglobulins to help baby fight infections. A mother and baby dyad will release oxytocin (the "love" hormone) while nursing which encourages a stronger bond. And of course, there's also the fact that babies who are formula fed suffer more from allergies and disease than breastfed children.

It's contextual though. Although my son has some atopy and is breastfed, his atopy would be rather worse if he had been formula fed (especially as he has an intolerance/allery to dairy).

It's a complex issue, too complex that Gabrielle Palmer wrote a book about it "The Politics of Breastfeeding".

Another resource that I like is Kathy Dettwyler: http://www.kathydettwyler.org/dettwyler.html

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Oops, just seen my typos! iPhone.. – Efaitch Aug 18 2011 at 19:11
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There are two major points you can make, if you really feel like making an issue about it with your mother who I'm going to guess is unlikely to be having more babies to feed. Unless she's criticizing you for feeding your children the natural way...

Anyway, the first is the evolutionary argument. Breast milk has been formulated over millions of years to provide excellent nutrition for a growing infant. Those mammals, then apes, then hominids, then humans that produced highly (if not perfectly) nutritious breast milk for their own offspring would end up with stronger, healthier children who were more likely to grow up and reproduce multiple times, passing on the genes for better milk.

This process was repeated over untold thousands of generations leading to a highly refined "product" as near perfect for a growing kid as can be expected just by the simple process of natural selection. And breast milk is known to change in composition over time, suggesting that it accomodates different needs in different stages of development, which formula cannot do.

In addition to nutrition, other compounds are passed through breast milk, including antibodies which help the baby's immune system develop.The second is the argument for the harmfulness of modern formula. Now, I don't know much about cow's milk-based formulae, but soy is certainly harmful and you should have no problem finding sources for that. Like the studies which suggest feeding an infant on soy formula provides an estrogen load equivalent to five birth control pills per day. That kind of hormonal imbalance isn't something you'd want to expose a baby girl to, much less a baby boy.

Or how about known cases of contamination? Like the 2010 recall of Similac that was found contaminated with beetles? Or the 2008 case where Chinese milk that was contaminated with melamine was used in manufacture of formula, leading to illness of hundreds of thousands of babies and the death of at least a few? So long as the mother's not working in a chemical plant or taking drugs, you're not gonna find contamination like that in breast milk.

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And of course all the other contamination stories that don't make the news (there was one in the UK in 2008 while I was formula feeding my DD (SMA brand). And of course, I forgot, if formula isn't correctly made up, it can kill with enterobacter sakazakii. No pathogens in breastmilk. – Efaitch Aug 18 2011 at 19:17
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Many, if not most formula contains High Fructose Corn Syrup. To me, that's enough reason to avoid it.

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Here are a few links for her to read (shortish articles):

Why formula is bad: http://www.unhinderedliving.com/formula.html

http://www.breastfeeding.com/all_about/all_about_formula.html

Why Breastfeeding is good: http://www.breastfeeding.com/all_about/all_about_immune.html

http://www.breastfeeding.com/all_about/all_about_diabetes.html

http://www.breastfeeding.com/all_about/all_about_heart.html

http://www.breastfeeding.com/all_about/all_about_iq.html

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Please ignore the "formula" recipe in the first link. WAPF has a better "homemade" formula. – Dragonfly Aug 18 2011 at 2:10
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I used to nanny for a girl (5 weeks when I started) who was fed formula. She pooped about once a week and her parents just sort of laughed about it. The doctor suggested giving her water before her formula and that helped a bit. I wanted to scream at them how can you not make the connection between the poison you're shoving down her throat and the fact that a brand new baby can't freaking poop? She screamed 3-4 hours a day non stop too.

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Unfortunately, I don't think that this attitude helps the breastfeeding "cause" at all tbh. I think that formula has a place, although I a strong advocate of breastfeeding. I disagree that formula is poison. It's not, it's just not ideal. However, human babies have survived on many different permutations of formula throughout the years. – Efaitch Aug 18 2011 at 8:48
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im sure you didnt mean to imply that i, and other formula feeding mothers here and elsewhere, poisoned our children, or laughed at their discomfort. correct me if im wrong, but thats some pretty harsh language to use about another persons most personal parenting decisions. – being Aug 18 2011 at 15:30
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My little guy was ebf (exclusively breast fed) and he pooped once a week for about 3 months (from 2-5 months old) - wednesday between 4 and 7pm to be exact - Dr said it was fine as long as he wasn't laboured and the poop was normal. – Thumper Aug 18 2011 at 15:37
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I am the father of two adopted baby girls. Sorry I don't lactate so formula is the only option. Donor milk? Give me a break.

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No one is attacking people who need to formula feed for formula feeding. However, parents should know the risks inherent in formula feeding. It isn't talked about and it should be. Also, donor milk is a god send so take your snark elsewhere. I had a friend donate her milk to me while I was struggling with supply my first week and it was the most precious gift in the world since formula made my baby barf horribly. Milk sharing used to be common place in the world and still is in tribal cultures. Just Because you are unwilling (or unable) to do it doesn't make it a silly option. – Aughra Aug 18 2011 at 2:36
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Congratulations on your baby girls, papalotsa! For a healthier formula option, check out the Weston A. Price Foundation's recipe. This is what I will do if for some reason, when the time comes, I cannot breastfeed. – PaleoDel Aug 18 2011 at 2:39
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Donor milk is a real thing, but it's not like you can get it by the gallon at the store. It is usually used for critically ill preemies whose own mothers can't nurse them. It costs something like $5 an ounce and is available through hospitals and whatnot. The average mom of an average baby who Is struggling to breastfeed is not going to be able to just buy someone else's milk instead. Don't get me wrong, it would rock if that were possible, but it's not a realistic option for most families. – Sally Aug 18 2011 at 2:49
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There are multiple websites where you can get milk directly from a mother. Most are more than happy to do a blood test for you other by giving you their prenatal bloodwork or going in for additional bloodwork if you pay for it and request it. I'm in the process of doing this for another woman near me. In addition, flash pasteurization of breastmilk is very simple and you can find videos on how to do it on YouTube. Human milk 4 human babies is a milk sharing network on Facebook, then there's eats on feets, and milk share network. All easily googled and you can meet moms face to face. :-) – Aughra Aug 18 2011 at 2:56
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Wow, I will admit I didn't know about those donation networks. I wish I had when I was struggling to feed my twins. If it really is possible to get free breast milk from other moms, that is an amazing advance. Thank you for sharing. – Sally Aug 18 2011 at 3:06
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I always point to examples of such medical "alternatives" that were eventually accepted as normal, but eventually turned out to be very dangerous (trans fats for butter, tobacco in general, medicinal use of addictive drugs such as cocaine/heroin, reusing medical equipment with bodily fluids on them, etc.). Could very well happen, at least to some extent (with all those ingredients in there...) to formula.

When I'm really feeling the philosophical "devil's advocate" role, I'll always say that there are many more complexities in nature than those we have discovered so far, but that breast milk is what has sustained humans all this time. "Nutritionally complete" really means nothing, because we don't know everything - so formula feeding carries risks that breastfeeding does not.

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