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Do you think many people will go vegan as a result of Bill Clinton stepping out into the limelight with it? I remember a blurb I read on Kent Rieske's site about Clinton's health scare a while back when he had to undergo emergency open heart quadruple bypass surgery.

It sounds as if he is headed in the wrong direction. (specifically going vegan as opposed to vegetarian)

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/bill-clinton-poster-child-plant-based-diet-195630850.html

We have some threads that discuss celebrities and Paleo, but do you think having Bill Clinton as the new poster boy for a Vegan lifestyle could turn out to be a liability for veganism?

flag	asked Aug 19 2011 at 23:14 Jack Kronk 19.9k●4●33●101

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He is going to sucumb pretty quick considering his medical history. – The Quilt Aug 20 2011 at 0:48

Namby Pamby · Answer 1 · 2011-08-20 06:09:44Z UTC

He has a brain damage, according to Dr. McDougall, from the heart bypass he underwent. According to McDougall, one of the best-kept secrets in medicine is the brain damage caused during heart bypass surgery, better known as "post-bypass surgery cognitive dysfunction."

http://www.drmcdougall.com/bill_clintons_madness.htm

Interesting, huh. McDougall also blames Clinton's heart problems on Barry Sears's Zone Diet which Clinton adopted, after tiring of the Ornish regimen he was originally prescribed by his doctors. Apparently, he's now back with Ornish. Whatever caused his angioplasty and atherosclerosis, I do agree with McDougall that the procedure is completely unnecessary. But then this is how hospitals and heart surgeons make money, by scaring patients that their arteries are clogged up, when 90% of all heart attacks occur due to blood clots (thrombosis) induced by inflammation. How will an angioplasty help when you do not know the locus of the next lightning strike?

Chickenosaurus Rex · Answer 2 · 2011-08-20 02:37:56Z UTC

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I doubt many who try it will stay vegan just because of him. It's too difficult to follow for most people.

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Yeah Megan Fox just jumped ship. She said she just lost too much weight. LOL! foodista.com/blog/2011/08/23/… – Shari Bambino Aug 23 2011 at 18:55

Tom R. · Answer 3 · 2011-08-20 02:05:36Z UTC

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Just look at a picture of the man. Yes, he has lost weight, but he is thin, pale and looks like he is 10 years older than he really is. Granted, being President adds years, but I wouldn't hold him up as an example of "health."

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I'd still totally do him . Totally ;) – Shari Bambino Aug 20 2011 at 4:05

shari! ew ! – g. Aug 20 2011 at 17:01

i mean... we all have our fantasies but good grief. gross is right shari. wtf? are you sure? google.com/… – Jack Kronk Jan 12 2012 at 20:16

Albert · Answer 4 · 2011-08-20 01:13:07Z UTC

Nah -- if anything, it will help bring veganism more mainstream. Most people still like Bill Clinton, actually. I still miss him.

But I am intrigued by how so many intelligent people still fall prey to the myth that the only way to live a truly and thoroughly healthy life is to forgo all animal food sources. Also, didn't veganism begin as more of a lifestyle/philosophy? (I don't know -- I'm really asking.) If it did, it's interesting how it morphed into this extreme health approach.

Maybe we should start positioning Paleo as being an organized patriotic effort intended as an economic stimulus...

deirdra · Answer 5 · 2011-08-20 00:44:43Z UTC

Dark circles around vegans' eyes (like those of Clinton, the guy who plays Spencer Reid on Criminal Minds, most East Asian vegans I know, and me before I became a born again carnivore) are likely "allergic shiners" related to excess grain consumption.

delete me · Answer 6 · 2011-08-20 00:15:14Z UTC

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i'm going to be wayyyyy surprised if this thread stays open. crazier things have happened i guess...

answered Aug 20 2011 at 0:15

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i don't get it. just because i mention bill clinton does not make it political in any way. i'm talking about his popularity and his health history and his health future. the public views vegan as the opposite of paleo. many vegans view vegan as the opposite of paleo. (even though it's really not exactly, but close in some ways I suppose) – Jack Kronk Aug 20 2011 at 0:44

no i think you're legit, jack, i don't see this as a problem. i've just seen some fast trigger fingers closing off stuff that's much further from political than this. – delete me Aug 20 2011 at 2:15

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If Bill keels over from the diet, this thread will come back to life immediately. :) – James Aug 20 2011 at 2:25

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Jakey, I would be surprised if you last too long here with the continuous commenting on the moderating. I've enjoyed your posts, but you need to calm down with the finger pointing. PH does an awesome job of moderating, better than any other site I've been a part of. You don't have to agree with it all the time. – sherpamelissa Aug 20 2011 at 3:03

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Jakey -- your negative & overly dramatic attitude is not appreciated. If you have a problem with PH, feel free to start your own site. – Patrik♦ Aug 20 2011 at 8:49

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GHarkness · Answer 7 · 2011-08-20 00:12:57Z UTC

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Did anybody see the story on ABC news tonight? He looks like HELL! I understand that he is aging....one of those things only lucky people get to do, but his skin was all red and flaky, huge bags under his eyes. If this is the best advertisement veganism can come up with, I don't think paleo has much to worry about.

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The bulbous nose implies that he is a heavy drinker. No diet can change that. – Annie Aug 20 2011 at 0:15

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Clinton has had roasacea for many, many years. He suffers from the classic " WC Fields" nose (rhinophyma or phymatous rosacea) which more men than women with roasacea suffer from. He has been RED and had rhinophyma for many years, to varying degrees. – Atkins-witha-loincloth Aug 20 2011 at 0:38

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GH - yes this is my whole point. clinton is a disaster health wise. what are they gonna say when vegan makes it worse? that's the point. maybe they will blame it on the burgers from 10 years ago. – Jack Kronk Aug 20 2011 at 0:40

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Oh, another red-faced vegan? – The Loon Aug 20 2011 at 3:49

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Thank you mem for stepping in with some truth. The guy has rosacea people. Why does every skin flaw or ounce of fat someone is sporting make everyone go nuts around here? Paleo peeps are all perfectly beautiful without any flaws? Oh if only that was true. – Shari Bambino Aug 20 2011 at 4:11

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Happy Now · Answer 8 · 2011-08-19 23:48:15Z UTC

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It is about time someone outspoken and of influence did the vegan experiment. Let's give him a couple of months, and then come to his rescue with a case of pemmican.

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He mentioned eating this way for a while, so it's been several months at least by this point. – familygrokumentarian Aug 20 2011 at 1:13

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OMG! Get that man a grassfed steak with a big dollop of pastured butter on top stat! He'll feel so good we'll have a new paleo spokesperson. – Happy Now Aug 20 2011 at 7:13

Nemesis · Answer 9 · 2011-08-19 23:44:43Z UTC

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At least Clinton has charisma, is intelligent and well-traveled. Glenn Beck made a big stink out of his going vegan back in spring, yet he didn't even last a full month.

I would think this would be more of a liability for Paleo not veganism, since now all of the vegans are going to come pouring out of the cracks with their self-righteous finger-wagging "I told you meat was sooooo bad for you! Now even the President is eating HEALTHY!" hurr durr

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Well that's because Glen Beck is a freaking loon - I don't think he really has any credibility with anyone other than conspiracy theorists. I will be curious to see how Bill does with it. – HeatherC Aug 20 2011 at 0:10

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Exactly. If anyone could hurt a cause it would be Glenn Beck, lol. – Nemesis Aug 20 2011 at 0:42

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let's not make this political please. – Jack Kronk Aug 20 2011 at 0:45

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I love that picture Nemesis. – James Aug 20 2011 at 2:23

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nemesis this is about bill clinton's health history and his choice to go public with a vegan diet in hopes that it will make him healthier. this is not about glenn back being a loon or not being intelligent or his ability to hurt a cause. – Jack Kronk Aug 20 2011 at 3:51

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Travis Culp · Answer 10 · 2011-08-19 23:36:38Z UTC

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Depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.

answered Aug 19 2011 at 23:36

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Wow, that's deep. – peter Aug 19 2011 at 23:39

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I did not eat steak at Doe's with that woman. – thhq Aug 20 2011 at 0:25

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The translation from English to Dutch of "is" is "is". – Chickenosaurus Rex Aug 20 2011 at 2:42

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I don't get the meaning of this answer. – Korion Aug 20 2011 at 6:48

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Korion, count yourself lucky for not knowing. I wish I could forget. – Happy Now Aug 20 2011 at 9:09

Is Bill Clinton more of a liability than an asset to Veganism?

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