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i.e. would you eat a burger that was between two buns? Is the gluten contamination serious, for non-caeliacs?

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You've never seen a person drop dead in a bakery after eating a pastry? Gluten is literally the most dangerous substance known to man. – I can use google Aug 21 2011 at 1:15
If I had a gluten allergy? Yes. But since I don't, I just toss aside what I can't eat and commence gromming. – jesuisjuba - paleorepublic.com Aug 21 2011 at 3:37

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I do not have celiac disease, but I do have gluten sensitivity. There is no way I would eat meat that has touched a bun or the toppings off pizza, etc. It takes less than 200 ppm of gluten to cause a reaction in most people who are sensitive. Think of a piece of bread crumbled into a million pieces. 200 of those pieces would make a tiny crumb. I react with severe migraines and other neurological symptoms, not gut issues. Many researchers now think that celiac disease is actually the end result of a spectrum of disorders that result from eating gluten. If you don't react (and are sure about that) then go ahead. This idea of just eating the meat "off the bun" is becoming a problem for some celiac disease sufferers and those with gluten intolerance. Restaurant servers get confused when someone says they can't eat gluten and then eat a burger that touched a bun anyway or just pick off the croutons from a salad.

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Can you cite the reference for 200 ppm? I know celiacs have 20 ppm response. Thanks. – Lady_Arwen Oct 30 2011 at 2:05
This is from the Codex Alimentarius: a Geneva-based international organization that is jointly run by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) of the United Nations. Here is an explanation of the standards recommended by CA: celiac.com/categories/Gluten%252dFree As you can see, part of the standard recommends 200 ppm (in foods like wheat starch) and part recommends 20 ppm (in "natural" food stuffs). I am with you, however, in that I prefer no gluten at all, so I try to avoid any foods that might have any gluten. – Laurie D. Nov 2 2011 at 0:20
In addition, this letter to the editor says that studies show that a safe level lies somewhere between 10 and 50ppm, with further research needed, therefore the Codex limit of 200ppm is much too high. ajcn.org/content/86/1/260.1.full – Laurie D. Nov 2 2011 at 0:25
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I would and I have. I have some sensitivity but eating meat that touched a bun would not hurt me. It may very well hurt a more sensitive body and certainly someone with celiacs. Some have the luxury of not caring about these things and some do not.

If you are new to paleo this sounds like a great opportunity to experiment. Eat it and watch yourself carefully looking to how you feel physically and mentally. I do think we all should have some idea of whether or not we are gluten sensitive and this might be a great way to gain knowledge to that end.

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but gluten is supposed to be insidious, where you don't always know it's affecting you. – patrick3000 Aug 20 2011 at 21:52
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If we take everything to the nth degree then truly we are left with nothing to eat. Every food has something in it that may be problematic. Do I want to eat gluten every single day? No. But I knowingly eat it every once in a while and I'm fine with that. Do I dare admit that I enjoy it? Life is to be lived and enjoyed not feared. If you do not have severe issues and are lucky enough to have the choice to avoid it if you wish then be grateful for that and go out and into the world and enjoy the hell out of it. Every single bit of it. – Shari Bambino Aug 21 2011 at 0:30
Great answer. Shari, I've been thinking about your answer to the question that got deleted earlier and I'd be willing to share my beliefs with you outside of this arena if there's a way we could get in touch. Not at all something I normally do, and I promise no crazy stuff, just an honest response to what you stated fascination about. – mindi Aug 21 2011 at 0:52
I agree! I emailed you earlier this evening. – mindi Aug 22 2011 at 0:05
Mindi I deleted my comment as I couldn't just edit out the email address. Now you like like a crazy person, lol. I'll check my email later tonight. Thanks. – Shari Bambino Aug 22 2011 at 0:10
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I would, and do. I don't have celiacs though, so someone with might have a different response. I can tolerate grain pretty easily, (and have to at certain times). I just choose not to when I don't have to. I don't think I'm endangering myself though by eating meat that has touched a piece of bread. Some of the grain free foods you eat are packaged in the same plants as grain. Unless it's states "gluten free", you can't be 100%.

I wouldn't worry too much. Unless you have celiacs. Then you might want to have more caution.

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I wouldn't even touch a person that touches wheat.

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I have lived 40 years without death by hamburger bun. I highly doubt eating a patty today that has touched buns (I wish I could touch buns without getting slapped) will cause me to have some sort of reaction.

I have chosen to eliminate wheat, but I am not going to be anal-retentive about the proximity of bun to burger if I can simply discard them.

People with legit allergic reactions may feel differently.

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Even if you don't react in a celiac way to gluten, you could still be sensitive to it, with intolerance manifesting in other ways. Robb Wolf mentions this in a podcast: http://robbwolf.com/2011/03/29/the-paleo-solution-episode-73/ You probably won't get much gluten from a debunned burger, though. If you feel ok eating it, go on eating it. Just watch for "random" symptoms afterwards.

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I just ate one yesterday! I served up burgers and hot dogs on buns for the others and then ate what was left over, so I had to take it off the bun.

I have no issues with gluten at all though, so it's not an issue for me.

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I think that stressing out about eating a burger that touched a bun is probably worse for most people (excluding those with high levels of sensitivity to gluten) than the tiny amount of wheat that you might eat as a result.

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It is a healthier way of life, not a cult. So don't worry about it. It's meat. Whatever the cow ate before it was slaughtered, it was turned into meat. So it's fine. If you have allergy or medical issues and the cross contamination is a real problem and not an imagined one...then don't. Otherwise, don't worry about it.

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I get abdominal pain and bloating from gluten, but I can tolerate small amounts without symptoms. I had an endoscopy come up negative for celiac, so I don't worry about contamination.

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I have celiac and have definitely been less than careful when it comes to cross contamination issues (during the summer I work in the backcountry, cooking with limited supplies and 4 gluten-gluttons). Honestly, I've never had an explicit incident (symptoms showing) from eating meat that's been cut with the same knife that's been used to spread mayo on bread. Going by this, I'm sure someone without celiac would be fine with a few incidents, though it's not something I would allow to happen often.

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Yes, I do eat it cross-contaminated food on occasion but I avoid it 90% of the time.

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