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Someone brought this up in another question and I thought it deserved its own question. If traditional diets are so good, why do people crave modern foods and move away from their traditional diets? Is there something missing in traditional diets?

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My own view is that people switch away from traditional foods because

  • hyperpalatibility of modern foods subverts our adaptive hunger and cravings. See Stephan Guyenet's series on food reward and The End of Overeating.
  • Modernization requires people to get jobs/go to school/etc., thus reducing the time they can spend on gathering and hunting food and driving them towards time-saving convenience foods
  • Marginalization of many tribal cultures, such as removal from their land or pollution of their land reduces their ability to eat traditional foods.
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Especially agree with #2. Still chewing on the hyperpalatibility (jeebus, that's hard to type) thesis, but maybe the book will help. – Rose Sep 1 2011 at 21:21
i thikn still there is some thing preferable in modern food. What is if its true with the glucose thing. in fruits the easy sugar. this will be confusing and controversal anyway. What is if the simple sugars in fruit are realy the optimal diet!!!?? Cause we are comming from the apes. What is when we are usally designed to eat fruit. Then people will crave all and everything fruit linke with easy sugars. And thats in all the junk food!!! – oak0y Sep 2 2011 at 11:07
Okay, as long as we're wandering in left field with the apes, here's a weird observation: My dog, who is raw fed, will stop chewing on bones at a certain point and will bury them to, er, mature (I assume that's the purpose, anyway). He is a very lean dog, very healthy. Every August, though, he ends up eating the plums that fall from the trees in our yard, and he cannot stop himself. He even wakes me up at night begging to go out and eat more. He get plump and itchy from them, too. Then in October, after the last of the plums are gone, no more itch, no more whine. It's like canine addiction. – Rose Sep 2 2011 at 19:41
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Pure gassy speculation here: Once we account for the initial transition (be it palatability, convenience, fermentability, or what have you), the reasons for the continuation of the new way of eating, despite losses in individual health, ought to be considered.

I've thought for some time now that there may be a powerful instinct in humans (and possibly other omnivorous animals) to carefully watch what other members of the species eat, and to copy that behavior pretty rigidly. My reasoning is this: Because we are generalist plant eaters (as opposed to specific plant eaters, like koala bears/eucalyptus leaves), we must exercise caution in trying new vegetation. Meat is usually pretty safe, once caught, and fruits nearly as safe, but other plant parts--especially from non-cultivated plants--come packed with an arsenal of chemical weapons to discourage predation. So if you're going to feast from the green buffet, you've got to make sure you don't eat the wrong carroty-looking thing (like the one with the purple spots). From evolution's "perspective," an efficient way to do that is to wire in an instinct to eat what other living and apparently healthy members of the species are eating, and not venture much beyond that.

Such an instinct could exhibit some variability in individuals, with most being somewhat shy around new foods, and some being bold renegades (not too many of those, though -- as the saying goes among mushroom hunters, "There are old mushroom pickers, and there are bold mushroom pickers, but there are no old, bold mushroom pickers."). And there could be a concomitant instinct to tell others how to eat, too -- this would help limit (presumably) the number of deaths from, say, hemlock poisoning.

As I said, pure gassy speculation, but would explain a number of observations about human culture and foodways, and the near-religious fervor people seem to feel about the way they eat (and I don't exempt myself from those observations).

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The selection for mirror neurons in the human brain could support this. When we watch someone do something, mirror neurons in our brain fire up in the exact same way as if we were going to do the movement ourselves. Its thought that this adaption helped to learn complicated skills and hunting strategies more efficiently. Pair this with pattern recognition and you may get something akin to "when Grok picks and eat the plant that look like (insert image here) he gets big and strong." Perhaps this developed into "when the people with the big steel guns eat white flour, they get to dominate." – Honey_badger Sep 1 2011 at 21:24
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+1 Yes this happens a lot in the animal world. It is how young animals learn what plants are safe to eat and what are not. If a member of the group eats a new food and gets violently ill other members will eventually shy away from it. Many herbivores will not eat certain weeds that grow in amongst the grasses they normally eat, they will eat around them. Monkey see, monkey do anyone? – Josh M Sep 1 2011 at 22:24
Part 2: this is the same way biases are passed on to our kids for example. I knew a girl who was afraid of snakes, as I got to know her better we talked about it and it seems she had never seen a snake in her entire life, never had a traumatic experience with a snake, it was all because her mother hated snakes and passed this behavior on to her daughter. Now this same woman can hold a boa constrictor and has no fear once she understood her fear was learned. – Josh M Sep 1 2011 at 22:27
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Convenience, price, availability, storability. Manufactured food can be fine-tuned to greatly appeal to our senses.

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Add to that "Status symbol." Those in developing countries who can afford to eat processed foods are typically wealthier.

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I think savings of time is the major reason. As you pointed out recently (if memory serves), food acquisition and preparation ran ~40 hours per week for most hunter-gatherers. You can get similar calories in a few hours from a supermarket.

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"Studies show that hunter-gatherers need only work about twenty hours a week in order to survive and may devote the rest of their time to leisure" - Sahlins, M. (2005). The Original Affluent Society in M. Sahlins, Stone Age Economics – mth Sep 1 2011 at 18:41
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@mth- but they didn't account for food processing or other necessities like building shelter – cliff Sep 1 2011 at 18:44
mth, you should read the post on my blog. – Bread-Eating Beelzebub Sep 2 2011 at 13:18
or the criticism section of Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… – Bread-Eating Beelzebub Sep 2 2011 at 13:19
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All of the above.

You can just imagine the scene. People who have more advanced technology descend on your isolated corner of the world. They introduce their food to you.

You can't help being a little impressed by them. Their food is the food of the future. You spend an hour making breakfast and they show you something that takes 5 minutes to prepare. And it's sweet!

Would you say no?

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"The leading branded ultra-processed foods and drinks are manufactured by transnational companies most able to purchase substrates for their products at rock-bottom or even subsidised prices. They penetrate new markets in lower-income countries, with massive marketing and advertising budgets, and may undercut local industries, drive them out of business, or take them over.

In the last decades, ultra-processed products have usually become relatively or even absolutely cheaper to manufacture, and sometimes – not always – relatively cheaper to buy. They are often manufactured in increasingly supersized packages and portions at discounted prices with no loss to the manufacturer. The packaging may cost more than the contents."

from The Big Issue is Ultra-Processing

This is a rather detailed and fascinating essay I found via Marion Nestle's blog, a while back. If you haven't read Nestle's book "Food Politics," well, what are you waiting for?

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I agree...I think it's purely big company driven--in roads by manufacturers in other countries. Too bad we cannot warn them. – BaconHealsChic Sep 2 2011 at 0:21
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Hyperpalatibility, sugar and it's damn easy, no effort required.

We are wired to like all three.

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I don't really buy the hyperpalatibility argument because most of the developing countries I've lived in (predominantly in Africa) have very different taste than Western tastes. Sugar as not made the tremendous in-roads here that it has elsewhere, except in the form of soda.

Convenience is huge. Most staple foods in Africa take a LONG time to hand-process and cook. Rice takes 15 minutes, tops. And the Chinese are flooding African markets with Chinese rice as low as half the price of locally grown rice. More and more women are working outside the home and find it easier and quicker to use convenience foods.

Another reason is the same thing that happened in America. When I was a kid, things like ice cream or soda were "treats" for "special occasions", now they are everyday. Same thing is happening in Africa. More availability, heavy-duty marketing, higher incomes all give people the opportunity to eat special foods all the time.

The other thing is -- they are no different than us and just as Americans did not understand what their diet was doing to their health, neither do most people in "traditional" cultures or however you want to put it. Add to that a growing portion of the population who are desk-jockeys and have the chance to drive cars or take taxis, a culture that considers being "fat" a sign of health and wealth, and a very "here and now" perspective on life that doesn't easily make connections between something I am doing now and having diabetes in 10 years and voila!

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hej CaveTomboy* i realy like your answer its source by a real hand experience. Its good to hear how the products flood the markets and conquer the world. Also for me sugar get more and more available. When i was as teen in the UK and i saw all this candy bars at the KIOSK. I get realy wanna have them in Germany. Now we also have more products like in the USA. Now i avoid them and look different at them. Still there was a disire for all this new flavours and experiences with all this new designed foods. – oak0y Sep 2 2011 at 11:11
I do remember one story a missionary told me about how he gave a twinkie to a very isolated tribal Indian man and he started crying. The missionary asked why he was crying and the Indian said that it was the best thing he had ever tasted in his entire life. lol. – Bread-Eating Beelzebub Sep 2 2011 at 13:17
MHGL -- interesting, but I don't think that is or would be a universal experience. Some places I've lived in Africa (e.g. Cameroon), adults generally don't eat fruit or anything sweet. One of the reasons for a very high consumption of beer is because the alternative is sickly sweet soda (I used to do the same thing). Fruit, and now candy, is seen as "children's food" and people told me they "grew out of" liking. Their adult tastes seem to run more toward -- that taste that is all the rage now among foodies with the Japanese name (can't recall it). – Cave Tomboy Sep 5 2011 at 8:32
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I came across this article a couple hrs ago and was actually wondering if you'd seen it Melissa- http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Diet+crisis+develops+among+Inuit+people/5336804/story.html

Probably not really anything new there, but I thought it was lame they didn't go into detail as to what is in the traditional Inuit diet, but made sure to point out the modern Inuit are lacking in "fruits, vegetables, grains and dairy."

I second the above points about convenience, storability, etc.

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Wild guess here, but I think food security is a big part of it. Harvest grains can be dried and stored for long periods without spoilage.

My other guess is fermentability. People in general love beer.

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Meh, there's always distillation. Alcohol-production is an ancient craft. – Cave Tomboy Sep 5 2011 at 8:26
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Superstimuli, convenience, etc.

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