I was surfing the net (looking for a paleo Jello recipe, to be honest), which took me to a paleo forum. One of the posters had a signature that read:
"Don't kid yourself - it's not Paleo!
"Wheat, rice, oats, barley, rye, bamboo, maize/corn, sorghum, sugar cane, millet, fonio, buckwheat, rhubarb, amaranth grain, sugar beet, beetroot, spinach, cream, butter, ghee, milk, casein, whey, yogurt, milk powders, kumis, bell peppers, chili peppers, potato, tomato, eggplant, arrowroot, cassava/tapioca, sweet potato, yam, jicama, alfalfa, peas, beans, lentils, carob, peanuts, cashews, mango, olives, cocoa, okra, coffee, stevia, squash, pumpkin, salt, honey, and artificial preservatives, flavors, colors and sweeteners."
Okay, so I can see the artificial stuff, grains, and legumes - even the dairy. I guess if you want to go out on a limb (a very loooong limb), I can see the nightshades, cashews and even salt. But spinach, mango, olives, okra, pumpkin, and honey? What is the reasoning behind this?
I also noticed "alcohol" was conspicuous in its absence on the list.
they missed grass fed angus beef...they must be eating only alligator, shark and cockroaches.
It looks to me like he is coming from a very recreationist point of view. While true, you cant really pop an olive off a tree and eat it, and therefore must be "processed" by soaking it pull the salt out to make it palatable. So following that line of reasoning, Grok probably wasnt a big fan of olives.
However, I think that most of us are on the modern paleo tip, meaning that we are adopting and adapting the paleolithic ideals to the modern world. Unless this guy is actually hunting and gethering, he really needs to lighten up.
That list is super long...and I don't agree with some - mostly the ones that you pointed out Jan. But I think that everyone should have their own personal what is paleo list - but that's just my opinion.
I wouldn't want to cook for or eat with this person (obviosly a meat-itatrian) - not a big fan of food nazi's.
But I love eggplant, jicama, tomato, chili and bell pepprs, ghee, spinach, okra, olives, beets, rhubarb, pumpkin, coffee and squash.
The reasoning behind the exclusion of spinach is the product of a very fundamentalist mindset towards Paleo.
Spinach is botanically classified as a member of the buckwheat family (polygonaceae), which is a pseudo-grain. Hence why rhubarb (also polygonaceae) is verboten as well.
The only thing that I can think of is that this person has severe allergies and is trying to avoid cross-reactants.
Sounds like a severe case of historical reenactment with disregards to science. I came across a blog post with the same "non-paleo" food list (presumably by the same person). The reason she doesn't eat them is because they are new world/modernly palatable foods. Also, she listed spinach under the grains section. Um.
Depends on one's definition of paleo and the timeline. Some people believe that any food that was not around in Africa as humans evolved or at least prior to our emergence from Africa, approx 60,000 years ago, are not paleo.
If I understand correctly, cashews have not been considered to be Paleo by some because they are of the plant family Anacardiaceae. Plants of this family often have a phytochemical called urushiol that can cause allergic reactions. Included in this plant family is poison ivy, and of course we all know it can cause severe allergic reactions. Also in this family group is mangoes and pistachios. So, the point is for perhaps mango it's not the sugar content but rather that it is in a family of plants that contain the phytochemical (which I believe resides in the seed of the mango). The phytochemical is in the shells of the cashew, and proper roasting should rid the cashews of this chemical.
Ummmm spinach and cashews are in Robb Wolf's book so I'm not sure where this person is pulling that from. The nuts you would want to prepare, but I'm not sure what their issue is with spinach. I eat quite a bit of it without any issue that I know of. For what it's worth I eat baby spinach.
The honey and mango I could see because of the high sugar content. Insulin spikes. Olives can be suspect due to all the extra crap they put in them, but I have found some clean brands of the kalamata variety. I eat those all the time too. Pumpkin is starchy. Okra I'm not sure what the big issue would be there either.
I guess it's not paleo in the sense that most everything available for eat has been chosen through human selection, cross pollination techniques and hybridization.
That said, eating what is available to you is very paleo. Making smarter, healthier choices isn't paleo, either. I'm sure Grok ate whatever he wanted, when ever he wanted, so long as it was available.