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I ask this question because I see reports of what paleo peeps tend to feed their children.

I see the odd sweet potato thrown in but even with sweet potato at every meal and moderate fruit, the diet would be less than 100g carbs a day.

Do you think this is a good idea? Just going from gut feeling (heh) rather than extensive research on the subject I'm going to say no. Kids need lots of calories and starch with added fat is a good way of achieving this.

Most of us would be aghast at the idea of feeding a child a low fat diet, so I think equally a low carb one might not be the best idea.

Kids tend to have very good carb tolerance and usually this means ketosis comes a lot easier. Long term ketosis for children just seems like a bad idea.

I have no children myself and cycle my carb intake (though anything above 40% seems to trigger BG issues in me) so feel free to ignore my ramblings, but does anyone else feel concerned about this?

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The only time I think ketogenic diets are recommended for children is if they are epileptic or autistic. Some parents have seen vast improvements in their children's symptoms once switching them to a ketogenic diet. I haven't really seen Paleo parents pushing low-carb onto their kids, but perhaps that's just been my observation. – Nemesis Sep 18 2011 at 17:50
I think for me it's not about 'pushing' low carb per se. But a lot of paleo kids menus end up being accidentally low carb. Not totally ketogenic, but damn near close. – sarah-ann Sep 18 2011 at 18:35
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I agree, ketogenic diets for kids with seizure disorders are nothing short of miraculous...but in my home, if I don't serve adequate carbs to my children(8 and 12)for even one day, they are begging for anything with carbs in it, and go straight to craving bready things...they are both very strong, very fit, very active, and one is hyperactive. They need carbs even if I don't. – Rogue Nutritionist Sep 18 2011 at 19:10
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RN, if I eat a diet high in carbs and then don't for one day, my inner child begs for them, too. That doesn't mean I need them. – Ambimorph Sep 18 2011 at 21:01
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Cravings are an unreliable source of information about what your body needs. When I quit smoking, I craved cigarettes for years. I'd look for other indices. – Rose Sep 20 2011 at 17:59
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I have three kids and my approach has always been giving them a balanced diet of meat,veggies,fruit,dairy and carbs with plenty of outside activity. I can only speak for my kids but I feel all of these things in reasonable portions work well for them, They are growing at a rapid pace and need all those things for energy and strength. Carbs are essential for kids, for adults not as much.But whatever you do with your child's diet is your own business, I can only speak from my experience and what works for my kids.

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From inuits (very low carb) to kitavans (very high carb), kids and adults thrive on real food. Don't worry about it.

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My kid by default doesn't eat low carb because he's still nursing but his solid food choices are decidedly low carb. If it ain't meat, offal, fat, highfat dairy, or veggies swimming in fat he just doesn't go for it. I offer some sweet potato a few times a week and he never eats more than a taste. He does, like some fruit like bananas, though which I never hold out on him.

I think instead of obsessing over macros we should just trust young children to tell us what they need. Sure if their palates have been destroyed with NAD's and artificial flavors then you might need to be more careful, but my child just naturally gravitates towards the more savory foods. Maybe it's because that's what I eat and he tastes it in the breast milk.

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How does he feel about white potato? I bloody hate sweet potato, so sickly sweet to me. – sarah-ann Sep 19 2011 at 19:05
He'll eat it with a bunch of butter or sour cream but he doesn't seem too entralled. I'm not pushing too much starch on him yet because babies don't really make the enzymes to break them down yet. – Aughra Sep 19 2011 at 19:35
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I think it's important to set the distinction between carbs and wheat/grains. A "functional" paleo diet (see gnolls.org) does not set limitation of the consumption of starchy vegetables (sunchokes, potatoes, sweet potatoes). But no matter your belief on carbs, no one should be eating poisonous grains, wheats, seeds, and the products that contain them.

So a sweet potato, potatoes fried in duck fat, the occasional piece of whole fruit (not fruit juice, or dehydrated/dried fruit), no problem.

But if "not eating low carb" means you're still feeding your child processed foods, cereals, and bread, you should re-evaluate your stance on the paleo diet as that is decidedly un-paleo.

I'll agree that a child's metabolism is different than that of an adult's, but why not look at in terms of how much food you're eating of the same macronutrient profile? If you look at it from a paleolithic standpoint, it's not as if the children ate completely different diets than the rest of the tribe. Once past the age of breastfeeding, children would eat the same thing the rest of their tribe was consuming.

I think it's important to give your kids enough credit and allow them to thrive on the same foods you choose to eat. Otherwise, in addition to possibly negative health effects, you may be setting them up with bad eating habits.

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I think it's important to set the distinction between carbs and wheat/grains. A "functional" paleo diet (see gnolls.org) does not set limitation of the consumption of starchy vegetables (sunchokes, potatoes, sweet potatoes). But no matter your belief on carbs, no one should be eating poisonous grains, wheats, seeds, and the products that contain them.

So a sweet potato, potatoes fried in duck fat, the occasional piece of whole fruit (not fruit juice, or dehydrated/dried fruit), no problem.

But if "not eating low carb" means you're still feeding your child processed foods, cereals, and bread, you should re-evaluate your stance on the paleo diet as that is decidedly un-paleo.

I'll agree that a child's metabolism is different than that of an adult's, but why not look at in terms of how much food you're eating of the same macronutrient profile? If you look at it from a paleolithic standpoint, it's not as if the children ate completely different diets than the rest of the tribe. Once past the age of breastfeeding, children would eat the same thing the rest of their tribe was consuming.

I think it's important to give your kids enough credit and allow them to thrive on the same foods you choose to eat. Otherwise, in addition to possibly negative health effects, you may be setting them up with bad eating habits.

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Can we define 'low-carb' in this thread? I am really surprised to see everyone say "ooooooh kids eating the way we eat is bad!" Are you all assuming that these children are only eating meat? How many carbs are you assuming are safe? Did I correctly read an answer that said children should be eating rice and Corn? Am I in the right place?

If you claim that eating 'paleo' was the way that our ancestors ate, how will you account for what our ancestor's children ate? I plan for my children to eat what my husband and I eat- lots of meat, lots of vegetables (including more starchy veg like squash) and fruit in small increments. Will my kids be in ketosis? No, but then again, I'm usually not to begin with. If my own parents fed me this way, I'm sure I would have grown up without the allergies, joint pain, and fluctuating weight that I experienced through late childhood and early adolescence.

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Our paleolithic ancestors' children did not generally eat low-carb, so I think it's a good sign that everybody is answering "no" in this thread. Starches and fruit were plentiful in the equatorial tropics where most of human evolution occurred. – maurile Sep 19 2011 at 3:23
Pricilla, I would define low carb as less than 30% of calories from carbohydrate. – sarah-ann Sep 19 2011 at 17:56
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No. Neither should Mom's to be.

I'm sure my negs will spike for saying this, but it needs to be said.

The whole starvation in childhood --> adult obesity and/or diabetes? Very real. Why? Well we can test this in animals and it all flows. Calorie, protein, carb restriction in developing years leads to depressed basal energy expenditure and an apparent lack of development of appropriate protective fat stores.

Carb restriction metabolically is the same as starvation. I'll be more than happy to provide cites for that proclamation as time permits.

Mommas eat starch ... I beg you!

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Want to upvote this multiple times. – Olivia Sep 19 2011 at 4:12
I like civil carbsane, more of this please. – sarah-ann Sep 19 2011 at 17:36
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I see it this way. If you train your kids to eat high carb, then that's the way they will eat as adults too. If you train them to eat low carb, then they are less likely to go high carb and get the diabetes. You naturally resist any change from what you were taught as a child because it is engrained into your mind.

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Amen! Every bite is building their bodies. The nutrition you give your child, determines their future health. Focus on nutrient dense foods. Teach nutrition and healthy living. You give them the best of everything else, so give them the best nutrition. – Laura Sep 19 2011 at 12:00
But were you " trained" to eat Paleo? I think most people try to eat in a more healthy way as adults than they may have as kids. The problem is conflicting " advice" on what is healthy. I had friends in the 90's who thought it was OK to down a box of snack well cookies because they were " low fat". – Keto-jen Feb 6 2012 at 1:24
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I'd like to note that I think where they get their carbs from is something to talk about. Our dentist went over some of this stuff with us. Breads/crackers/pretzels, etc are really bad for your teeth. Because they tend to stick more, causing decay. When my 4 year old was diagnosed with 6!!! cavities.. we had to overhaul her diet. A diet, I might add, that already did NOT include regular candy, sweets, juice, etc and NO soda whatsoever. We were told to cut WAY back on those processed refined grains.

So while we do still have those things for them occasionally, they get the majority of their carbs from veggies and fruits. Definitely MORE than 100 grams a day though.

Since we cut way back on that stuff, she's had no more cavities AND my younger daughter has had NONE at all. Not a huge argument for or against the low-carb for kids thing.. but definitely something to think about.

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Awesome, I wish my mom was paleo growing up, I might have been able to avoid years of cavities and expensive dentistry, well done! – sarah-ann Sep 18 2011 at 20:04
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I think that kids should eat low wheat. Ideally, carbs to use are banana, potato, corn, rice, chestnut paste (personal opinion)

I doubt high glycemic foods are bad for kids since they will burn it ASAP. So toxic CHOs should be avoided only.

Also, sugar may be good idea cus it attenuates pain so its OK to use it with tooth growth or injections [we know that it affects opiate pathways]

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I'm sorry I don't follow... how is sugar a good idea in a child's diet? – Priscilla Sep 19 2011 at 0:33
I said it MAY be good idea in specific situations, like when it hurts ! It attenuates pain. Also, kids are very active, they will just burn it, its not a problem generally. – majkinetor Sep 19 2011 at 8:04
Some hospitals give a few drops of sugar water to baby boys immediately post circumcision. They startle, and seem to ' forget' about the circa whilst trying to figure out the sweet taste. Just thought it was interesting. I saw it done - it worked. – Keto-jen Feb 6 2012 at 0:59
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I think the safest approach is to give them plenty of fruit and starchy tubers (obviously alongside meat and organs) and then get them to play outside as much as possible. Play outside with them, go on long walks etc. There's simply no way that a rapidly growing, active kid is going to get fat from eating healthy carbohydrates.

I'm sure I'm not the only one here who shudders when they think about the amount of crap they ate as a kid while remaining inexplicably lean. I spent the vast majority of my time outside (causing trouble of one sort or another, truth be told).

My biggest concern would be in putting glucose restrictions on a growing brain. I can't fathom how that would turn out well.

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I agree Travis, I think a conscious effort needs to be made to include carbs in a growing child's diet. Paleo carbs aren't all that emphasised. I myself tend to get bored with potatoes and rice. I don't have this problem with colourful veg, which actually add flavour to a dish. – sarah-ann Sep 18 2011 at 18:41
Why would you think a "growing " brain needs glucose to grow? A growing brain needs lots of fat and cholesterol to grow. The problem with kids is that their parents have restricted fats and thus increased the carb grams to make up for the deficit in energy. See low fat/no fat milk in homes and schools ad. nauseum. Teach your kid why high carb diets are bad. Sorry, we don't live in an environment where kids have access to whole food carb sources (tubers, low glycemic fruits etc..) without an abundance of easy to get high processed crap. Teach them why, teach them how and be an example. – Andre Chimene Sep 19 2011 at 15:33
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The brain does not grow optimally in a real or simulated starvation state. – Travis Culp Sep 19 2011 at 16:33
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Eating lote of fat and cholesterol does not mean starvation. Glucose does not repair or build the brain. It is built with fat, cholesterol and a little protein. How would suppling glucose build the brain. If anything, glucose slows healing and body repair. – Andre Chimene Sep 19 2011 at 19:37
My brain doesn't work without glucose. YMMV. – animalcule Sep 25 2011 at 0:32
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Im not sure low carb is the answer for kids. I think kids can handle the carbs to burn in a healthy form. Stuff like sweet potatoes, and other various veggies. Obviously you won't be feeding them wheat. I find when my kiddo, who is three, eats sugar in any form she gets a really bad attitude and cries at the drop of a hat over the littlest thing. She survives mostly on bacon hehe. She does get milk and milk products like yogurt, kefir, the occasional ice cream treat, and cheese. We have a hard time getting her to try new things at this stage in her life but we are working on it. In the mean time what she gets now seems to be working for her. She has endless energy without eating a ton of sugar and starchy carbs and doesn't get hungry all the time. She has a perfect body ratio for her. She is super strong and smart..I like to think the way she eats has something to do with that. But this is only experience on our end.

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Yes, kids can burn a lot of carbs and show no ill effects. But can we be sure they aren't doing damage that won't show up until the future? Could that be the case with bad carbs like sugar, but not with starches from whole foods? My niece, at 18, is thin and energetic and looks as healthy as can be. If you see a picture of her mother at 18, she looked exactly the same--and now at 38 she's 300+ pounds. Was all the extra weight caused by her adult diet, or could the groundwork for the weight gain have been laid by all the pasta/bread/sugar we had as kids? I don't think anyone knows yet. For – Aaron B. Sep 18 2011 at 17:14
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her mom didn't get fat from just bread/pasta/sugar, she got fat from highly palatable industrialized foods that are half refined carbs and half soybean oil. – cliff Sep 18 2011 at 17:56
Correct. my child eats no bread,pasta,grains or canola or soybean oil. No soy at all. And true we don't know the long term affect it has on kids yet. I am pretty confident her current diet isn't going to cause her to be 300+ lbs as an adult unless she changes her diet herself as she grows and goes out on her own..making bad decisions of what to eat. – Christa G Sep 18 2011 at 18:43
I lived in Japan for quite awhile, and if white rice and soy make people fat, then they must be hiding them somewhere. – Keto-jen Feb 6 2012 at 1:28
Keto-jen I never said soy makes you fat. It doesn't help though if whatever you are eating is fried in soybean oil. Soy has other issues though. And some people do fine with white rice...others don't. I only said MY child seems to do better without refined carbs, sugar and soy. – Christa G Feb 6 2012 at 21:07
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I think that the answer is "depends on the child" -- just like adults, kids have different metabolisms and different energy needs. I think that feeding kids in paleo style (starting with breast-feeding until the child self-weans, then moving to plenty of locally-produced, grass-fed or forage-fed meats, leafy and colorful vegetables, roots, nuts, seeds, berries, fruits, etc.) is really healthy for them -- however I think that it is important to keep plenty of foods available for kids to eat as their hunger demands -- and to accept that, when they're outside the house, they're probably going to try other things that their friends are eating, just because that's what kids do.

I also think that it's important not to have -food- become a battle zone. There are so many other issues that we need to stay on top of as parents... I know there were with the four that I raised... and I think that if we raise our kids with the right foods, and the reasoning behind them, our kids will never have to worry about whether they're "high carb", "low fat", "high protein", "low carb" or whatever label -- they'll be fine choosing whole foods, preparing them in healthy ways, and enjoying the opportunity to nourish their bodies -- and they'll have the resilience to handle the occasional foray into less-than- healthy foods without it sending their bodies completely off-track as it does for so many of us who have been eating in ways that are unsustainable for us for large portions of our lives.

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I agree! I grew up in a "food battle" household. Our menu in any given week was sponsored by "on weight watchers" or "off weight watchers". Weight watchers meals were things like steamed veggies, dry baked potatoes and broiled chicken. Of weight watchers was things like Hamburger helper (oh goodness, MOM! what were you doing to us?) and spaghetti and hot dogs/grilled cheeses/etc. I personally think they eat what they eat (with my supervision). Sometimes it's 6 string cheeses or 5 slices of bacon or 3 servings of yogurt. It all balances out. As long as I keep the artificial stuff out, I'm good. – amanda cowan Sep 18 2011 at 19:56
I forgot to add that growing up in that household ALL 3 of us kids ended up with various forms of food addictions/weight battles. – amanda cowan Sep 18 2011 at 19:57
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Dr. Lutz has a photo of an overweight adolescent boy who was not reaching puberty milestones. In a second photo after 2 years low carb, he lost the weight, reached puberty, and developed muscle tone. (See his book: Life Without Bread)

Kids are picky eaters. Their weight must be monitored. They are exposed to school lunches (a joke) and class movie days, parties, etc. Avoid high fructose corn syrup. Carb addiction is real and begins in childhood. Parents have to decide what is an acceptable balance.

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Being a picky eater may save their life one day. Help them learn to "pick" the best, most nutrient dense food. REAL food won't taste good to them if they eat processed crap all the time. Try adding healthy fats with their carbs, so they don't over consume them. Have fun collecting Halloween candy, then "buy" it from them for lots of cash and maybe an organic dark chocolate bar. Make their nutrition count. Give them the purest, most nutrient dense food you can. If they're properly nourished, consuming too many carbs and excess weight won't be an issue. – Laura Sep 19 2011 at 11:53
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a low carb diet provides plenty of energy and calories as long as you are eating enough, especially important is eating sufficient calories from animal fat. ketosis - or fat burning metabolism - is preferable over glucose burning metabolism when it comes to preventing disease, why would that not be optimal for kids?

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what is the constant stress of gluconeogenesis? what reference do have to support that this process is stressful to the body? i respectfully disagree. – sharon Sep 18 2011 at 16:23
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Sharon: Is cortisol no longer considered to be a stress hormone? Is excess ammonia production now a good thing? – Travis Culp Sep 18 2011 at 17:27
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i think the biggest thing with modern low carb diets is that they are pretty much an expirement. i personally wouldn't feel that great turning my kids into a science expirement that can possibly have long term health consequences. – cliff Sep 18 2011 at 17:58
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@Sharon -- chriskresser.com/… -- we must separate the cause of obesity from the treatment of obesity. Plenty of high-carb eating hunter-gatherer analogs that are not obese. Low-carb for children, probably a really bad idea. – Patrik Sep 18 2011 at 18:43
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Re the studies: The fact that cortisol increases gluconeogenesis is totally irrelevant here. That's like saying that the fact that high caffeine intake makes you more alert means that anything making you alert increases your caffeine intake. So I don't see the relevance of "Cortisol increases gluconeogenesis in humans: its role in the metabolic syndrome" (continued) – Ambimorph Sep 18 2011 at 21:25
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With two young boys (5 and 21 months) it is my experience that they are capable of making energy from their food like IMMEDIATELY after eating. They dance and jump around constantly. With such high energy output there is not way I could justify giving my kids a low carb diet.

Neither of my kids eat potato, and I try not to do the bread/noodles type stuff (but I do give them rice noodles). Instead my boys really like to eat lots of fruit with their meals.

I guess if my kids had brain issues like epilepsy then I would consider a therapeutic diet like a ketogenic one.

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No, I don't think low-carb is optimal for children. And yes, it seems a lot of people round here feed their kids (and babies and toddlers - despite the fact that breast milk is mostly carbohydrate) this way, and it does make me raise an eyebrow. I really want kids and plan to raise them 'paleo', but they will be eating plenty of carbs from whole foods.

I can't help but compare a child's metabolism to my own (I do look like I'm 12!) - I'm very thin, lean, active, and need to eat prodigious amounts of calories to fuel my normal metabolism, much less put some meat on my bones. I do not feel well in ketosis, at all. While ketosis is highly useful for fat loss and for managing some health conditions, I consider it to fundamentally be a strain on the body. A growing child can only benefit from easily accessible, adequate glucose IMO.

I'm also determined not to be the food police - my mom was and it was terrible. I'm not going to buy junk, but they can eat junk at other people's houses and participate fully in Halloween and birthday parties. Hopefully they will realize, as I did, that eating crappy food makes them feel crappy, and thus be motivated to keep eating the way we did at home as they gain independence.

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animalcule -- would you mind emailing me? have some q's about BPAL. admelfo@gmail.com – Albert Sep 18 2011 at 18:09
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If they aren't metabolically screwed up yet, give them what they crave most from healthy fare. If they are fat, then you should get the carbs in the range that they actually use for energy and stop before it becomes excessive and used for fat storage. I think if you look at most SAD kids nowadays they must be getting like 2000 calories from carbs alone. If your kids are paleo and want some sweet potatoes or rice... its not really the same as having 70+% of the meal be carbs and then having it with a sugary drink and 99% carb snacks in between.

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Something from a recent Melissa blog comes to mind. She said the !Kung (or somebody) detest sweets, but their kids, being kids, love sweets. So whenever there's something sweet on the menu, they give it to the kids.

Sounds like a plan. Keep your household sugar-free, but whenever unplanned candy comes your way, let the kids pig out. Just be ready with the handyman tools to repair all the damage those little hyper whirlwinds do.

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Oh god, I made that mistake once when taking my niece out for the day. I was playing the doting aunt so got her as much sweets as she wanted, boy was I sorry to be dealing with the quasi-bipolar, hyperactive result. On that basis I was thinking more along the lines of starch rather than refined sugar! – sarah-ann Sep 18 2011 at 15:42
I think this is where my thoughts lie. I don't ever keep sweets in the house.. but when we go to grandmas or when Halloween rolls around... they get it. When we go to the movies they each get a small treat (from the store, not the jumbo sized boxes at the theaters!). – amanda cowan Sep 18 2011 at 19:52
I have what we call a " junk drawer" , and real junk - rice crispy treats and the occasional fruit roll up are mixed in with sunflower seeds, dried fruit, beef jerky, fruit and nut bars, and Graham crackers. My son is sunflower seeds and beef jerky, older daughter may eat the occasional dried mango, and the baby (4) is all about the rice krispy treats. Her favorite snacks, tho are string cheese, peanut butter spoons, and raw veggies. I don't sweat it. She eats maybe one RK treat a week, but it is there. – Keto-jen Feb 6 2012 at 1:20

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