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My husband (71 years old and in excellent health) was told today by his physician that he should get a shingles vaccine. What do you think?

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Get it. My healthy beautiful vivacious mother had shingles twice and they took her down like nothing I've ever seen before. A patch smaller than the size of your palm had her in agony - described as "getting kicked by a horse again but wired with electricity." For weeks she dealt with this until slowly they went away. After the second occurance she was finally able to get vaccinated. I wouldn't want anyone to have to go through what she did. – jesuisjuba - paleorepublic.com Sep 24 2011 at 22:32

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Paleo doesn't mean not taking advantage of modern medicine; especially things that prevent or treat infectious disease. It's important to be knowledgeable about any decision you make with regards to your health, but it seems like a no-brainer to me.

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I'm just going to pop in here and say be careful if he doesn't end up having the vaccine. I had shingles in 2009 and it is one of the most painful, debilitating infections one can get.

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If he has had the chicken pox already in life - I don't see why you would not - Shingles after 60 is debilitating and painful - not just while you have it but for the rest of your life.

But on the other hand not everyone gets shingles - you have to outweigh the risks of getting shingles to not getting it. I don't think its a blanket "no don't get it" answer. From what I read its quite a benign vaccine but it only lasts about 6 years.

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Shingles are awful. Anything that reduces the risk is a blessing. Had them several times and wouldn't recommend the experience. – hereitcomesagain Sep 25 2011 at 7:06
The Shingles vaccine IS the Varicella (chicken pox) vaccine. Any immunity to Varicella has a half life of 50 years. This is why people older than 50 get shingles, even if they have had chicken pox. – Stacy and Matt Sep 27 2011 at 2:19
Not quite correct Stacy and Matt you have to of had chicken pox to get shingles - you cant get shingles if you have not had chicken pox - its just not possible. Shingles is the reactivation of Varicella-Zoster virus. But if you have no immunity to it in the first place you can get CP from someone with shingles - and that's almost worse – Vivalapaleo Oct 4 2011 at 3:56
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Not sure whether people are aware, but the shingles vaccine is now available for people 50 and above (the vaccine was originally only available for 60 and up). A huge trial was conducted to see what the risks and benefits were for people between 50 and 60. My husband and I were both paid participants in the trial. We were both in our late 50's/.

It was clear from the get-go, that (although this was a double-blind trial) I received the vaccine and he did not. I got a large swelled, itchy area on my arm that lasted some 5-7 days (which is very unusual for me). Hubby got no reaction at all. Other than the rash, there were no untoward effects for me. At the end of the trial period, we each got a letter telling us whether we got the vaccine or not, and, sure enough, I did - and he didn't.

After seeing my mother (who was in "excellent health" at the time) suffer for years with shingles, I decided I wasn't going to get it if there was any way to avoid it. I know that the vaccine only reduces your risk, but if there's a chance your husband can be spared the agony of the shingles, he should take the vaccine.

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we're all one car wreck away from a time of reduced health. In general, I think my immune system is in pretty good shape, but witawital says, "shit happens"

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I would/will. The vaccine reduces the risk (according to clinical trials) by 50%. Even if they are fudging the numbers and it reduced the risk by 10%, I'd still get it since it appears the side effects/risks are low. They also say 1 Million people in the USA get shingles every year.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/shingles/vacc-need-know.htm#notGet-vaccine

From the CDC:

No serious problems have been identified with shingles vaccine.

The vaccine has been tested in about 20,000 people aged 60 years old and older. The most common side effects in people who got the vaccine were redness, soreness, swelling or itching at the shot site, and headache. CDC, working with the FDA, will continue to monitor the safety of the vaccine after it is in general use.

It is safe to be around infants and young children, pregnant women, or people with weakened immune systems after you get the shingles vaccine. There is no documentation of a person getting chickenpox from someone who has received the shingles vaccine (which contains varicella zoster virus).

Some people who get the shingles vaccine will develop a chickenpox-like rash near the place where they were vaccinated. As a precaution, this rash should be covered until it disappears.

The shingles vaccine does not contain thimerosal (a preservative containing mercury).

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I look for vaccine ingredients. Without it, I wouldn't take it. Thimerosal isn't the only thing.

If you say he is of good health, I doubt it would be useful anyway with good nutrition. If his nutrition is not OK its worth considering.

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As I wrote in comments...sorry for my original flippant answer, I will elaborate...

From Wikipedia (which I hate to use as a source, but its just a quick point) A 2006 study of 243 cases and 483 matched controls found that fresh fruit is associated with a reduced risk of developing shingles–people who consumed less than one serving of fruit a day had a risk three times as great as those who consumed more than three servings, after adjusting for other factors such as total energy intake. For those aged 60 or more, vitamins and vegetable intake had a similar association.

So, just 3 servings of fruit or vegetables in a day and you reduce risk quite significantly. I'm of the mind that no matter how inert we find a vaccine to be, it is still an intervention with risk, which should be measured against the prevalence and seriousness of the disease for which it supposedly reduces our risk of contracting.

The case studies for this vaccine show a reduced risk of %50...it really just does not seem high enough for me. If proper nutrition and lifestyle get my risks down to 1-3/1000 (not meant to be hard numbers, but a general extrapolation), then I'll just take my chances from there rather than topping off with a vaccine that may or may not get me down another 50%. Or if your grand kids, or any kids in your area get the chicken pox go hang out with them!(you get an immune boost right there %25 reduced risk). Of course many kids are vaccinated against this also these days, an issue that is actually quite relevant seeing as we would be naturally getting this immune boost from them rather than another vaccine.

Hubby is in "Excellent Health"...I would skip it. Even if he were to contract it, its of my mind those in better health would have a far more mild and self limiting version of the disease. Of course this is a heated topic, and like many here I have done a lot of reading on the subject. In the end you have to make the call, and either way wish you both the best.

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Thanks, Jay. This is thoughtful input from all of you. We appreciate it. For now, were going to pass on the vaccine. – susan kosich Sep 24 2011 at 18:06
Exposure to varicella is what cause shingles outbreaks! Don't hang out with infected children! The issue is that we are vaccinating against chicken pox so older people are never re-exposed, hence the need for a vaccination. But if your immunity has already worn off (half life of 50 years), don't try to get Shingles! If you won't protect yourself, don't expose yourself to illness. – Stacy and Matt Sep 27 2011 at 2:24
Thats incorrect stacy and matt...the virus that gave you chicken pox as a child hangs out in the dorsal root ganglia of your nervous system in a dormant stage following you getting over the disease. It only becomes activated again in the form of shingles when the immune system is sufficiently suppressed. Your way off on the entire etiology of this disease. Please inform yourself. – JayJay Sep 27 2011 at 18:59
Susan Kosich, a decision to do all that you can to improve and balance your immune system function, instead of vaccination, has probably proven itself already, if that's what you are doing. Take a humble view of this video to see why: tv.naturalnews.com/… – David Marino Jan 13 at 2:50
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shit happens. get it.

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lol....just seriously lol. Don't.

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Why the laughter at the physician? – mth Sep 24 2011 at 11:31
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The 72-year-old doctor who recommended the vaccine to me had just recently had shingles himself. He said any potential side effects from the vaccine pale in comparison to the side effects of shingles. He knew. I took it. – edrice Sep 24 2011 at 13:39
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@ Jay they may, in fact I saw this question late at night and did throw in a rather flippant negative comment in regards to this vaccine. To elaborate I see this vaccine as nothing special. As shingles happens during times of reduced immunity and increased stress/allostatic loads, lifestyle is very effective in reducing risk without need of vaccination. In my view relative low risk of getting the disease (3.9–11.8 per year per 1,000 individuals among those older than 65 years.or so) already so 50% reduction with vaccine or just treat with "good health"...I choose the latter myself. – JayJay Sep 24 2011 at 14:44
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In addition, although all the info isn't in, I would tend to believe an individual with a relative healthy lifestyle actually getting shingles would be far more likely to have an attack that is self limiting and mild. The OP did state her husband was in "EXCELLENT HEALH", not just good hence my response to the negative in his case. I do agree there are many factors to consider on this issue, and each vaccine/disease merits evaluation on an individual basis rather than just being "for" or "against" vaccination in general. At least that is my approach. – JayJay Sep 24 2011 at 14:48
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Jay, Choosing a "50% reduction with vaccine" or choosing "to treat with 'good health'" sounds like an easy choice to make when young but as you age you discover that life happens in spite of what you choose. Your comment about reduced immunity through increased stress happens to a lot of older people as they watch lifelong loved ones dying around them and immune systems take hits whether they chose "good health" or not. When most of the sand is through your hourglass you look a bit more seriously at how your remaining days will play out. I'm in good health now but I chose the vaccine AnyWay. – edrice Sep 24 2011 at 16:30
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