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Hello there.

Im currently on the following every day regiment:

600mg calcium

300mg magnesium

50mcg K2

2500iu D3

600mg vitC

Are there any other supplements i could benefit from taking? Is the calcium enough? My diet consists of lots of potatoes, vegetables, meat and fish. Is the K2 dose enough? Ive noticed benefits from the 50mcg (hard white teeth and soft skin) so it must be doing something good..

What does your regiment look like? Please post.

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Age? vit c is low, calcium is too much. – majkinetor Oct 15 2011 at 13:48
Im 24. Im a college student, so my diet includes a lot of plain foods – JW Oct 15 2011 at 15:08

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It depends on how much you weigh and how much you're getting from food. I would say 1g Vit C if you're not getting it from food. But you must be getting some from what you eat.

As for K-2 in MK4 / Menaquinone form, 1mg if not getting from food. But you have your MK4 and MK7 mixed up. The dose you're taking must be from MK7, not MK4. And most supplements come as MK7. So for MK7, you should be taking 100mcg.

Vit D-3 depends on your sun exposure and where you are latitudinally, as well as your body weight. Ditch Calcium supplelemtns; they're dangerous and don't do what they're supposed to do. Mg depends on your special needs, but 300mg is about right. 200mg if you're tiny.

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Halve calcium, increase magnesium to 400mg (preferably a chelated supplement with B6 in it), double K2, increase D3 to 4K, and at least double vitamin C.

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Thanks Travis. Could you recommend any good magnesium and K2 supplement brands? Right now i take Natures Plus Cal/Mag/D3/K2 but it contains alot of calcium. It also contains 50 mcg menatetrenone wich is mk4(?) – JW Oct 16 2011 at 6:26
I think you should keep calcium and magnesium separate. D3 and K2 are fine together. I get my calcium from sardines and for magnesium, I think the best supplement is this one: vitacost.com/… – Travis Culp Oct 16 2011 at 8:06
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PPAR’s form heterodimers with retinoid X receptors (RXRs) and these heterodimers regulate transcription of various genes involved with our fat cells. These genes are up-regulated by both carbohydrates and lipids in our diet. PPAR-gamma activates the PON1 gene, increasing synthesis and release of paraoxonase 1 from the liver, reducing atherosclerosis. It functions as a plasma antioxidant; it prevents the oxidation of LDL found in the plasma. High levels of paraoxanase are also seen with high levels of glutathione in our plasma. They tend to walk hand in hand with one another. Low levels of plasma paraoxanase is tied to the development of atherosclerosis and cardiovascular disease. Low levels of glutathione are also found when these diseases develop. Low levels of paraoxanase are also tied to Vitamin K2 depletion in arterial walls. PON1 gene transcription occurs in the hepatocyte. Its coded protein is synthesized in the liver and transported along with HDL in the plasma. Low levels of HDL are associated with vitamin K2 depletion in arterial walls. A large study of more than 4,800 subjects followed for 7-10 years in the Netherlands demonstrated that people in the highest one-third of vitamin K2 intake had a 57% reduction in risk of dying from vascular disease, compared to those with the lowest intake. Furthermore, their risk of having severe aortic calcification plummeted by 52%—a clear demonstration of the vitamin’s protective effects (Geleijnse, 2004). Another study by the same group showed that higher vitamin K2 intake was associated with a 20% decreased risk of coronary artery calcification (Beulens, 2009).

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More data on K2. J Am Diet Assoc. 2004; 104 :567 –75. Am J Clin Nutr. 2006 Nov;84(5):1200-7. Am J Clin Nutr. 2006 Nov;84(5):959-60. – The Quilt Oct 16 2011 at 13:38
Oops those references in the comment are all for vitamin E. – Matt Oct 16 2011 at 18:53
By the way, have the LEF been pinching your work? I realise the above quote is from your blog. If you look under the Vitamin K heading at paragraph 37-38 on this page it looks quite similar to the last six lines above... lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/… – Matt Oct 16 2011 at 19:14
Sorry Matt They are both located on comment 93 of the blog on the top ten paleo supplements. I apologize for the error. – The Quilt Oct 16 2011 at 23:56
No worries.....:) – Matt Oct 17 2011 at 7:14
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Vitamin c and K2 way too low........

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So what sort of dose would you suggest? – Simibee Oct 15 2011 at 15:06
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A pharmacalogical dose used to treat osteoporosis is probably not a good guide for supplementing a 24 year old. – Matt Oct 15 2011 at 21:53
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MAtthew you dont know that because he gave us no context. Your just assuming again. – The Quilt Oct 16 2011 at 0:14
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Quilt: You advised him to take more K2 with no context. You neither asked about age, gender or health status before giving your advice. You always talk about context and yet never apply any context to your answers. You also make the assumption that long-term mega-doses of MK-4 for a young person are necessary and will have no long-term ill effects. On what long-term safety data are you basing this on? – Matt Oct 16 2011 at 12:05
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You make assumptions about me again with out any context. When did I ever say that vitamin K2 is not important or that it may not be beneficial to supplement? I merely questioned the validity of your assumptions. – Matt Oct 16 2011 at 13:15
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