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Do you have a complaint about something paleo-related? I sure do. Spew it out--but if you're going to spew, spew into this! (thanks Garth)

  • Whole Foods- I used to shop at the discount-iest of the discount grocery stores before paleo. Now I shop at Whole Foods, and wonder why I can't afford to pay my alimony.

  • Chipotle- Why must you be so delicious yet cooked in soybean oil?

  • Nomenclature- Explaining to friends and strangers how you eat is a challenge. Paleo? Unprocessed? Ancestral? Paleo 2.6?

  • Too much science- Are my mitochondria okay with my nutrient flux? Should I care or just eat whole foods?

  • Grok- God love him, but Mark Sisson's Grok is not universally well-loved throughout the paleosphere.

  • Wheat in the ingredients list- First ingredient...looks paleo. Second and third...paleo. Hold on, contains wheat? Why??

  • Lack of sugar- Okay, you've drunk the paleo kool-aid. But come on...ice cream and cake taste amazing. Admit it. And now you can't have any. Neener neener neener.

  • Paleo Foodies- I love them and I hate them. Nicely prepared food is awesome. But listening to people talk about duck confit and sous vide ad nauseum is not as fun as it sounds. Take your Meyer Lemon-rind foam and shove it.

  • Paleohacks moderators- I never was a big fan. They delete your threads and don't tell you why. Then I became one, and started hating myself a little bit.

  • Leangains website- Such valuable information, but strangely slow to load. And why is everyone so ripped? It makes me feel like a bag of jello.

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Duck confit is easy to make. You are just jealous :P – Bread-Eating Beelzebub Oct 19 2011 at 3:50
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This post makes me question if your low-reward cave is actually a cake-and-ice-cream cave. – Phoenix Oct 19 2011 at 4:51
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I don't really get this "Whole Paycheck" "OMG Whole Foods is expensive!" thing. If you pay attention to prices and sales, you can actually buy organic food at Whole Foods for less than some of the regular crap at the supermarket. Plus it's better quality and Whole Foods has store coupons on their website and in their flyers at the door. I spend less at Whole Foods than I do at Safeway. – A at Grain Free Diet Oct 19 2011 at 7:39
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whaddayamean we can't have ice-cream!?!?! – luckybastard Oct 19 2011 at 17:24
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GASP! personally offended!! "Paleo Foodies- I love them and I hate them. Nicely prepared food is awesome. But listening to people talk about duck confit and sous vide ad nauseum is not as fun as it sounds. Take your Meyer Lemon-rind foam and shove it." – being Oct 19 2011 at 23:30
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My #1 issue is simple: Too much promotion of "order grass-fed X online here" or "buy steaks from Argentina because they are grass-fed", etc.

I am certainly not arguing against pastured products - in fact, if it's a choice between not eating meat and supporting CAFO/industrialized practices, I vote no meat. Sorry guys. I realize this is something most of us don't want to hear because, sadly, bettering one's self often is NOT synonymous with bettering the community and/or environment. Far too many people run out and buy steaks shipped from thousands of kilometers away or "bio/organic" veggies that are usually A: out of season and B: also shipped from a far-off land where they happen to be in season at the time. I know it's hard to find local sources of most things but it's surely not impossible.

So, my biggest issue with Paleo/Fruitarian/whatever-else-here is that MOST of these ways of eating ask that you think of only yourself. Every time you buy that steak from Argentina or New Zealand you are voting to support globalization which has more ill-effects on the environment and community directly than simply buying from a local farmer that might feed his 3 cows grains during colder months. I would (idealistically, I know) like to see more of us shop more consciously! Do the research, ask around, etc. I am willing to bet that most of us can find local solutions.

Eat with the seasons, eat locally, sustainably and consciously. :)

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Definitely. Definitely. Definitely too much science. I can't listen to peers talk about nutrition anymore as they spout unthoughtful nonsense. "We need to eat toast for fiber", "If you eat too much protein your kidneys will fail". "I shouldn't eat fat because I won't burn it off in my low intensity lifestyle." "I can eat whatever I want 6 days a week, have one all protein day, and still lose weight, because Dr. Whaszisface says so in his book." I have to duct tape my mouth shut most of the time.

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When I saw your username a couple times before, I thought it was "Mary E Clark Consulting". The actual username is much better. So thanks for having the username you ascribed to yourself and not the one I imagined. – Kamal Oct 19 2011 at 23:05
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Here my venting:

1)Friends and family members think everything in conventional wisdom is okay to eat - beans, peanuts, soy, whole grains, quinoa, wheatgrass, low-fat. Then I have to painfully explain why there are problems with these foods and cite them scientifically! Ouch! Then they look at me like, "What the hell do you eat, then?"

2) Late night arguments (like till 2am) with the hubby about whether "X-food" is Paleo or "X supplement" is going to help or harm. This is seriously messing with the whole premise of Lights Out book. Cortisol and insulin spike just from this!

3) Oh why does the burger chain Be Good have to Be Bad and drizzle a tiny amount of canola oil on their baked gluten-free sweet potatoes fries (YES not even cross-contaminated)!

4) Spice mix, sauce, or paste used for years and otherwise Paleo but cross-contaminated with gluten. Why did you have to make your spices with !@#^& wheat! Do you know how many spices I've thrown away or given away! :(

5) I spend too much time with cooking, recipes, etc. but now I'm a food snob. I complain about what's wrong with so many foods - both at restaurants, and other people's cooking (even Paleo) - not to their face of course! I bring my own salt and Kerrygold butter to restaurants.

6) Why can't I like liver??!! I've tried 3 recipes, and 1 I like, 1 the hubby liked, and 1 neither liked! Why can't I find 1 liver recipe WE both like! I've adapted to tallow, ghee, and coconut oil (all 3 used to turn my stomach), so why can't I eat the most Paleo thing of all - liver!

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As a non-paleo eater... here are somethings that I have an issue with when reading on paleo sites that confuse me and irritate me about paleo.

a) I feel that paleo eaters can never agree with each other on what's good or bad other than SAD is bad. Well the clean eating diet said that years back, and to some degree Atkins as well. Otherwise it feels like everyone is walking blind holding up their food to each other going...Paleo? Paleo? Paleo?

b) When some explains why we shouldn't eat x, y,z (especially nightshades) a bunch of scientific sounding mumbo jumbo is thrown out and all it does is confuses your otherwise willing paleo participants.

c) every delicious sounding recipe has a coconut in it.... I'm allergic and it makes me sad :-P

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That I now actually spend time reading posts with titles such as:

"Hack my poop :)"

"Would you eat a cricket?"

"Are there any traditional cultures who consume a lot of eggs?"

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Looking for quick snack ideas online & having people repeatedly say "a can of tuna & a fork is all I need" I'm a grad student...you're suggesting I take a can of tuna to campus (with my can opener), open the can and drain it in the bathroom sink, and dig in during lecture? No one will want to sit by the weird girl that smells like tuna.

Paelo pizza crust...it's just not the same & never will be. It's either a pancake, soggy veggies, burnt cheese, or meat-NOT crust.

Having teaching assistants bring candy to class to win us over then seeing I don't ever take a piece ask me in front of the entire class why I don't want any. I've realized people think I'm less crazy if I say I don't like candy than if I say I eat Paleo.

Thinking about all of the amazing dips my friends make in the summer (does anyone else equate summer with dips?) and knowing I will either a) have to make my own (with homemade mayo, cream cheese, no corn, etc.) b)not eat any c)cheat

Going out to eat and having the only paleo-ish options be the most expensive on the menu. "I guess I'll have the $23 ribeye." Refusing the free bread or tortilla chips at restaurants. Having a confusing and long ordering process when out to eat "I'll have a water to drink, then I'd like the salad with oil & vinegar, no croutons. I'll have the tilapia but not breaded and instead of the potatoes could I have veggies or fruit, thanks."

The closest Trader Joe's is 1.5 hours away :(

Not having raw dairy in Iowa (although I could probably find a nearby farm that would be willing to help me out).

My damn sweet tooth...always reminding me of all the things I can't eat!!

Cooking, all the damn time.

Phew, that felt good.

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Getting in and out of the grocery store in no time flat, bags of healthy food, feeling like a boss, going home and husband asking "Did you get light bulbs/soap/some other thing that is in one of the aisles?" Right! The aisles! I always forget. We haven't had working light bulbs in our bedside lamps in months and there's watered down dish soap in the bathroom soap dispenser.

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  • List item Nomenclature- Explaining to friends and strangers how you eat is a challenge. Paleo? Unprocessed? Ancestral? Paleo 2.6?

RESPONSE: "AncPrim 49.1: The Rise of the Mountain Goat Milkers" here!

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Sometimes I truly just miss the pure joy of eating a gol dang sugar infested cupcake or piece of cake or pie without my mind going into a emergency overdrive and yelling at me to STOP STOP STOP and think of what its going to do to my body, like I'll explode all over the place. There are days when I miss being ignorant. There are days when I feel like food has become my own personal mental terrorist.

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Nutrient ratio bean counting mo-fo's! (yep I like flavored creamer in my coffee sometimes!)

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Bacon and eggs. Grok didn't have them. They're completely SAD. And they're the most heavenly of rewarding foods. Two complaints:

People who write 400 page diet blogs, plans and books which in the end recommend eating bacon and eggs.

People who buy those plans and books and think they've discovered something new.

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grok didnt find eggs?? i know eggs are seasonal but cmon... – Mallory Oct 20 2011 at 15:19
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None of us eat a real paleolithic diet. We don't hunt and gather now extinct species on the African savannah. Asking whether "Grok" had something is of no value, since we have access to almost none of the foods he ate. If that's the requirement, we might as well go back to eating Twinkies. – David Rourke Oct 23 2011 at 1:06
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Okay my turn...

I'm a college student and every important meeting I have to go to they offer "free pizza". I don't want to smell or see pizza nor have anyone look at me crazy for not eating it. I'm almost to the point of avoiding meetings.

My roommates are Brazilian, I love them but they put sugar and sweetened condensed milk on EVERYTHING. Rice for every dinner meal, followed by a dessert. It's tough to avoid things in my own fridge. I have to reach over the ice cream to grab some chicken breast. Not ideal.

Family events! My grandma try's to make me eat everything because i'm "too skinny". I am not too skinny.

I'm just going to stop here. Thanks for the opportunity to vent.

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bacon haters

People that think paleo = atkins diet

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buying coconut oil from the other side of the planet rather than just using butter.

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This post is my Paleo complaint.

Chipotle meat is cooked in Soy Bean Oil??? You just ruined it for me...

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Goodness knows I have complaints. Plenty, about lots of things. I am learning, slowly, to let my complaints fend for themselves. I find when I feed them, they get big and often turn mean. So thanks for this invitation to help compile and cultivate a particular subset of complaints related to eating and exercise topics. Darn, I just find it more fun, in the happiness sense, to focus on what's working. Ask for "wins" I've achieved or am working toward, or stuff I'm basically grateful for, I may have a thought or two to offer.

I hate Mark Sisson's lean physique. Oh, hell I can't resist.

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Jeez....just dont eat a lot of wheat, other grains. Leave out on the sugar. Don't eat stuff cooked in crap veg oils. Look for good sources for your meat. If any particular time, you have to compromise, like its a birthday party and there is cake, just fricken eat it. WTF. Enjoy. Not hard. Follow the guidelines in general. Go big on the good stuff and small on the bad.

Freaken easy, stop whining.

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First, this whole thread is for the purpose of whining. No one made you open it. Second, many people, me included, will be sick for 2 weeks or longer if we accidentally eat even a trace of wheat. To me, you're the whiner for not respecting the thread. -1 – Nance Feb 10 2012 at 22:20
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I just hate it when people assume I'm eating something freaky and gross when they learn I eat healthy. Ill pull a tupperware thing out of my purse, somebody will yell "What is that!?!?", I answer "chicken salad with cherry tomatoes", "Oh. lol."

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PEANUT BUTTER! I'm not sure I can actually live without it.

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