I loved knowing nothing about food except that you could eat it. Now I know that tomatoes, potatoes, and peppers are nightshades. I know dairy has casein and lactose, which are potentially problematic. That legumes and nuts have phytic acid and lectins. Fruit has a bad sugar called fructose. Coconut has saturated fat and is very high in salicylates. When meat is browned it creates a mallard reaction. Cookies have vegetable oils. Fish isn't fish, fish is a bunch of Omega 3 fatty acids, some protein and iodine. Egg whites could tear your gut apart. Sweet potatoes are high in oxalates. Lots of calcium is bad, not enough calcium is bad. Fat has 9 calories per gram. Protein and carbohydrates have 4. If I eat too much tortillas I might get pellagra. I need fiber, fiber is bad. Eating lots of meat might give me iron overload. Not eating enough and I might get anemia. Vegetables are good for you. Vegetables have a lot of toxins which are potentially bad for some individuals. Carbohydrates raise insulin, that's bad, no it's good.

The more I study and look into nutrition, the more fearful of food I become.

I eat ArcheAncestPaleo 3.3.0Beta Release: Mastodon and it's working totally fine. I have very few complaints. The UI is a little wonky though and sometimes the latest release deletes ice cream from my freezer randomly even when I set it to cheat mode. The starch override feature is quite nice though and allows me to buy some potatoes occasionally even though the interface warns me they are potentially hazardous.

Friend mode is very useful and allows nearby friends with Android phones to download a free 200 page explanation of how my diet works, which makes my life easier since I don't have to spend days explaining it on my own. I'm really glad they added that FatPlus+ system to core this time so it's easier to eat more bacon without receiving fat overload messages. The new Guilt Modulation system1 is also somewhat useful and tells me every morning that I can eat an apple without acquiring diabetes. However, someone forgot to remove some old code, the Carb Guilt system, and it occasionally freezes the system when you try to eat the apples or potatoes.

Overall, I'm quite happy with the latest release, but I'm hoping they can clean up their code so the next release is a little less buggy.

Some users are talking about the FoodRewardAlpha system, which regulates your food intake based on "reward value," but many users think it's bogus and claim it doesn't work with the Carb Guilt add-on that was taken out of core recently, but remains very popular. Personally, when I tried to install it I was very unhappy that it prevented me from using massive amounts of Tabasco sauce and pouring ghee all over everything, so I removed it.

14 different theories that tell you 95% of the same thing, but spending an exhausting amount of time and effort on what is in all likelihood an inconsequential 5% just so we can say we found OPTIMAL!....

My official complaints

'Paleo' police - They are here there and flipping everywhere! Even my friends and co-workers watch what I eat and say 'hey....that's not paleo" --- and i say to them bugger off!

Anonymous downvotes - I know that has been discussed here before, but it still gets me, what can I say, I'm human and I don't particularly like negative feedback - and anonymous negtive feedback is like a heckler in a dark crowd - just plain rude and unhelpful!

and EVERYTHING THAT KAMAL SAID! - man you nailed that right on the head for me!

Wandering around the grocery store in a daze. Because no matter what I get, there is something wrong with it.

I hope it's not hijacking this thread to say that I'm in no place to complain? The examples make me laugh, but I'll take 1000 inconveniences any day for the sake of something as precious as health going in a much better, less scary direction. I don't know how to put it exactly, but just standing back and looking at the big picture lately has put me in a state of constant gratitude.

Hmmm... Was I supposed to shove it in CW's face and eat the chicken skin or avoid it because it's full of omega-6?

Why again is this raw, pasture-raised, yogurt produced from Jersey cows fermented using traditional strains and tolerated well by my Swedish, lactose-producing, good lipid-level body bad for me? Was it the casein or Grok's inability to work an udder?

Being that I'm not type II diabetic or remotely pre-diabetic, why are my carbs restriced to one small sweet potato in the 1 hour immediately post-cross-fit workout window? Is it because I'm too pale to pass for Kitavan?

Oh, and should I avoid multivitamins and get all my nutrients from food or take a multivitamin because I can't get all my nutrients from modern foods?

Highly active guys with 6-packs telling the obese they should eat 65%+ calories from fat in order to get lean.

Podcasts- I hate them!

What's the point? Why spend an hour listening when you can read through a transcript in 5 minutes?

Paleo Health Improvements: Me not improving my health or helping my tummy problems after years on paleo, but reading how it changed people's lives! (Ok, wait..that might be my own jealousy issue..)

Paleohacks: Questions that have been answered over and over -the writer doesn't do their research. Responders that just want to respond -disregarding the question. For example: Question: Egg free breakfast ideas. Annoying Responder: Just eat eggs, I do. (Or even worse: Go without breakfast, fasting is good for you).

Liver: So good for you, so nasty. No Matter how you dress it up -screw the recipes, they don't work -Liver is Satans apple.

Eating Out Cheap: Miss it. Especially those darn breakfast burritos and horchata.

Steak: Its uncookable despite numerous hints/tips/proven methods. Mine always turns out tough and unedible.

The Coffee Controversy: So sick of it. Everyone gets at least one naughty.

My husband: eating SAD and using "Everything in Moderation" as his motto. Worst of all -I can't be his shining example of Paleo success because..See my first item!! Paleo hasn't done sh&*^ for me! (I am sticking with it for intellectual reasons and sheer stubbornness).

Five finger shoes: When the sole comes out, those things are a monster to get back in.

Boiled Eggs: The perfect food except they smell like death.

My biggest complain with paleo/primal/leangains/primal wisdom/hyperlipd, actually ANY blog about ‘real food’ health is that NO ONE SEEMS TO BE ABLE to make decisions FOR HIMSELF. Just because you KNOW x y and z about food does NOT mean it will affect you in such a way and you are going to die from cancer -muscle cramp -leptin deload- insulin-to-much-activity-depression-insomnia-thirst syndrome coupled with irritable-mood-bowel-gut dysbosis in the next 24 hours.

Just because say, Don at Primal Wisdom changes HIS diet and informs people about it does NOT mean you HAVE TO, or even that you SHOULD. It means he is informing you of what works for HIM. Just because Peter at Hyperlipid is convinced a higgghhhh saturated fat diet equates to health and long life does not mean that Mallory(me) won’t promote a highhhhhh carbohydrate diet with longevity and health.

This plays into my next complaint, too many people questioning if they ‘can’ do this or that. Like for real, is this real life??? Are you really asking an internet community if you can walk a mile, if you can go to bed at 9pm, if youre gut will be destroyed by the skin of an fing potato, if you can have food when you get up for work and youre hungry….??????????????????????

And my main point/rant, NO ONE is right about health/nutrition/disease besides YOU. Before you go around the grocery store for an hour and get in a fight with the butcher who wont import seal heart and blubber for your zero carb diet or the farmer who is unsure of the mineral density of the soil his vegetables were grown in, SELF EXPERIMENT AND TAKE A CHANCE AND TRY THINGS FOR YOURSELF.

If your hungry in the morning, fing eat, then LISTEN TO YOUR BODY.

If your tired at 3pm, GO TO BED, see how you feel in the morning.

If you keep eating coconuts and your gut keeps being destroyed, maybe you should listen to your body.

If youre eating chicken breasts/lean turkey/tilapia/tuna and your skin is dry and red and your eyes are so dry you cant blink, maybe you should listen to your body.

If you eat avocados and notice they digest well, enhance your skin tone, maybe you should stop fing worrying about their PUFA content and DO WHAT IS WORKING FOR YOU.

If you cant stop eating nuts once you start, maybe you should listen to your body’s reaction and stop buying them.

If you down a protein shake and notice your heart rate skyrockets and temples are beating, maybe you should take that as a sign.

If you like food __ but aren’t eating it because blogger/hacker _ says it will kill you or harms him/her THEN MAYBE this is a sign you need to make decisions for YOURSELF

My complaint with many people who are into paleo would be that too many of us try to avoid the simple fact that calories matter; they always have and always will.

The conventional wisdom that says you can eat less calories to lose bodyfat is not mutually exclusive with most of what it is we all call Paleo.

Not all things conventional wisdom are bad just as not all things alternative are good.

Rice and potatoes trying to get all up in my gene expression. To get revenge, I like to brutally maim the eyes on my potatoes.

Science before common sense. That's what got us into this mess after all, we started questioning our traditional roots in the name of science. Now it's like we have to relearn how to eat, what a waste of time. I should be on Mars right now.

Leptin, leptin, leptin. Please, it's not the answer to every #($#($(#$ question!

Biophotons and earthing.

My complaint is when you tell family and friends about the benefits of a paleo diet and they look at you like you are crazy and they normally respond with "But whole grains are an important part of a balanced diet and provide fiber."

I'm with ya on the "too much science!"

The embarrassment of following a diet that makes people think of loin cloths. I refuse to use terms like paleo, caveman, grok etc... as my hipster foodie friends would never let me hear the end of it. I end up saying "I'm not hungry" or just saying that I avoid gluten as gluten intolerance is hot right now.

Caveman = dorky.

Gluten free = manic pixie dream girl (Zooey Deschanel)

I'll see your Whole Paycheck and Nomenclature and I'll raise you some over-the-top Nutritionism.

The name Paleo itself.

Presentation slides from guys like Lustig that are packed with sooooo much info that that are useless.

The lack of paleo books that have been released in audio format.

Trying to eat healthy outside with little added to the food at a place like Whole Foods and everything contains soy, wheat or sugar! Flour in sweet potato mash?!

Reading confident, compelling, scientifically referenced articles on Paleo-type blogs (Masterjohn, Kresser) stating that saturated fat is good and PUFAs are bad, or that statins have never been shown to benefit anyone except men who have already had a heat attack...

then reading actual studies on PubMed which say the opposite.

Statins: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21989464

SFA vs. PUFA: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20351774

I have family members on statins, and would like to show them why I believe statins are doing them more harm then good, but when I go directly to the literature I cannot demonstrate this. I am a firm believer in real foods and the benefits of high-quality animal products, but whenever I try to dig down into the actual data, my confidence in the Paleo way of eating is shaken. It doesn't help that although I am an RN and have taken a whole class in research, I'm not smart enough to effectively evaluate studies.

Conflation of the failings of nutritional science and "conventional wisdom" (as in the spew found in magazines and such) with all medical science. Also constant application of the "CW" label. "My doctor uses CW to diagnose." "My CW friends/spouse/sister/dog" "My CW professor said..." it's grating and doesn't even make sense half the time.

Also thinking that just because something goes against the grain, it should be given serious consideration, even if it basically violates everything we know about physiology. e.g. Mark Sisson's post about earthing as it applies to everyday health. Please.

"Grok"

Paleo-evangalism, and also, people expressing astonishment that people who aren't eating paleo can still be healthy and thin, and wondering how that might happen. Also people then qualifying that with "well, they're thin, but since they're not eating paleo, how do you know they don't have all kinds of health problems?" Come on.

Thinking that food is the cause of, and the cure for, every single little problem that someone might have, ever. Sometimes people get sick or have a headache or an upset stomach or a sore joint or can't sleep or whatever. It can't always be traced back to something in your diet.

Edit: I forgot the biggest one: The strange obsession some posters seem to have with their bowel movements, and the insistence on constantly asking questions about the colour/consistency/shape/frequency of PHer's shit.

i wish today's violence was paleo. no guns, only rocks and bare fists...

1) Enforcing the "human are just animals" worldview.

2) Seeing other nutrition approaches as inferior.

Paleoid Cookbooks that promise much and then deliver way too many Chicken receipes. I want more meat, yes Kamal, duck confit and how to use duck fat. Flanken receipes, even turkey, but I am sick of chicken receipes. Who eats chicken?

Asking a cute girl to lunch then realizing you're not going to be eating. Or you'll bring your own food and have to convince her you're not crazy for thinking bread is poisonous.

Mark Sisson-

"I ran marathons all the time in my 20s and 30s and had lots of itis's and lung infections etc"

"I'm 58 now and feel a lot better than in my 20s and 30s when I was on a high carb diet"

So high carb diets are bad.

My complaint is that my son thinks I'm going to die real soon because of eating paleo, that I am starving myself, that I have an eating disorder, and that if I just ate white rice and quinoa, all would be well.