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Yes or no.

Why or why not?

Thanks in advance!

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Tim--I'd be interested to hear more about which vaccines you think might be necesarry and which ones you are skipping.

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I'd make sure the mother had very good levels of K (and everything else healthy) in her blood during the entire gestation and breast feeding. As long as the mother is healthy with healthy levels, K should be sufficient in the child at birth. Nature is not so stupid as to not provide the baby with what it needs. Considering the crappy diet that many mother's consume (full of 'healthy' grains), I am not surprised that many babies have problems. But the problem with trying to shoot the baby full of all kinds of 'fixes' is we do not know what we are doing in the first place and we are medicating all babies because of the problems of a few. Interesting link here: http://www.aims.org.uk/Journal/Vol13No2/vitk.htm Apparently, there was a big stink about k injections potentially causing cancer. SOme studies found this but a later study seems to have debunked it. I do see that some types of K supplements seem to be potentially toxic. I'd look into what type of injection is planned and see if that is one of the potentially toxic forms. The truth is we do not know for sure what is a natural and healthy level of K for a baby. It's only an assumption that the baby's level should be equal to an adult's level.

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Not to mention the shots are K1, not K2. K1's just about worthless compared to K2. – Dana Feb 19 2011 at 4:12
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If it was me, no way would I allow my newborn to be supplemented with Vitamin K. Such supplementation is not without risk (http://vaclib.org/basic/vitamin-k.htm) and for a healthy baby boy, unless he is going to be circumcised immediately after birth, where clotting of the blood will be necessary as a result of the surgical procedure (vitamin K and prothrombin are necessary for blood clotting), there should be no reason for this to be done.

In a quick search on the web I cannot find an original cite, but Dr. Emmett Holt, of Holt Pediatrics fame (http://archives.med.nyu.edu/collections/findingaids/holt.html), demonstrated that vitamin K levels (while very low in a newborn the first few days of life) are normal on the eighth day after a child is born, and that a related factor in blood clotting, prothrombin, is at the highest levels it will ever be in the life of the newborn, on the eighth day after birth, higher than at any other time of life.

You might also want to check out this blog post on the dangers on vitamin k shots for newborns: http://bit.ly/a2vTlM

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No and no. Why? I wanted as natural, unassisted births as possible. My pregnancies and labors were uncomplicated, I was free of any infections/health problems so I didn't see the need. I withheld any shots and tests (PKU) until 2 weeks post partum. Without shots/pokes there isn't the need for VitK. But that's just my humble opinion.

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I would not delay testing for metabolic diseases that long. Some of them are affected by breast milk. You got lucky. – Dana Feb 19 2011 at 4:13
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Yes and yes.

Vitamin K1 is used to make vital blood clotting factors. Vitamin K1 deficiency can cause excessive bleeding or stroke in young infants. Breast milk can be deficient in vitamin K1 (perhaps modern breast milk differs from paleolithic breast milk in vitamin K content). You can substitute oral vitamin K, but K1 supplementation in early infancy is a good idea.

Ocular gonorrhea is a rapidly progressive infection in newborns that can cause blindness or even death. Antibiotic ointment prevents most cases of ocular gonorrhea and chlamydia in infants. On a population basis, this is a very cost-effective treatment, but you may decide it's not indicated in your particular situation. Maternal gonorrhea and chlamydia infections are very common and often asymptomatic. A negative test early in pregnancy does not guarantee lack of infection at delivery.

In most hospitals, you have the right to refuse vitamin K and antibiotic eye ointment. However, CW is not always wrong just because it's conventional.

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"Ed" has given great info in numerous aspects on Paleo Hacks, and I do think this is another. "Yes and Yes" in regards to populations, but not so much in individuals? As my own journey into parenthood has unfolded, I've had a lot of learning to do. So glad I'd gone Paleo and started learning long before having the kid! But there are many shots, procedures and such for a new parent to consider. Skipping the K shot and the eye ointment was the right choice for us, but indeed on a population level, maybe the two are legit. – Tim Rangitsch Jul 16 2010 at 14:02
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Thanks Tim. I have great respect for autonomous parents such as you who do their homework and reach well-informed decisions about their baby's health. Congratulations to Fritz on his "3-month-b-day"--and on his choice of parents! – Ed Jul 16 2010 at 17:18
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Ed, you bet! It is a minefield out there for us all. – Tim Rangitsch Jul 16 2010 at 21:13
@Ed --- Thanks for your answer, but I think you have a few things mixed up. None of the MDs we spoke to claim that a vitamin K deficiency exists for a newborn, as well as even if it did, it would cause excessive bleeding or even stroke. – Patrik Jul 17 2010 at 22:39
I stand by my answer. If you google "hemorrhagic disease of the newborn" you can read literally thousands of articles about vitamin K deficiency in newborns. I admit that brain damage is rare from this condition, but it can and does happen ( highbeam.com/doc/1G1-156123335.html ). Please do your homework before writing such a disparaging comment. – Ed Jul 18 2010 at 0:14
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As a new dad (my boy, Fritz, is 3 months old today), I can tell you we skipped every thing that put any foreign object in the boy's body. From the moment of birth, he was laid upon his mother's bare skin and immediately began to suckle. No wiping washing weighing measuring poking prodding or other abuses where laid upon the boy. No shots, no eye ointment. His mother received no drugs, so no danger of things passing to him.

My wife and I live clean, no STDs, no hepatitis exposure, no risk factors in that regard, so no need for the standard regime of shots and such. We both ate very clean local meats, wild game, and such pre pregnancy and the duration, just to maximize our kid's chances.

Vitamin K in a shot just does not seem needed for a baby grown is such a hospitable nutritional environment. Plus he's got perfect baby food available, grown for him by his very own mother from proper foods.

Vit K and silver ointment in the eyes boiled down more to CW proving to us it was safe or called for in our particular situation. Both seemed more a risk than a necessity.

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Does your approach include vaccines? – Yoannah_offca Jul 16 2010 at 14:17
As yet, no, but there are certain vaccines I am still on the fence about. With the potential of international travel, and entry to the general population (school etc) there are some vaccinations that can/do make sense. There are advantages to modern medicine, I am not simply a "denier" but am trying to be informed of all the benefits/risks. – Tim Rangitsch Jul 16 2010 at 14:46
Want to expound on on vaccines? :) – Patrik Jul 20 2010 at 23:12
Wellllll, there are more vaccines that we will take a pass on, than we will get! It's a pretty contentious issue to discuss openly (religion, politics and health all rolled into one!), and I am still not 100% on just what we will do, perhaps this is another question to lob out! – Tim Rangitsch Jul 21 2010 at 13:47
I refused the Hep B vaccine for my daughter when she was born. I'd been vaccinated against it in the past and it's a sexually transmitted disease--why in the world would she have it? She got it later on at a well-baby appointment. We live in a city so I'm a bit itchy about completely going without them. – Dana Feb 19 2011 at 4:09

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