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To me this is the true litmus test of Paleo. Some of us are natural born due to genotype Hunters and really would kill an animal for food in order to survive.

I must admit, I would only likely kill a rabbit, squirrel, deer etc-- not sure if I could shoot a cow or a buffalo but I suppose in a pinch I would. I am just a girl afterall. :---)

If you won't kill, why are you on this diet?

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I'd straight up murder those piggies. wild boars are pretty scary tho :/ – DH Oct 28 2011 at 19:38
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Yep. I've killed two chickens, that was freaky, and hunted with my family in Montana. What they hunt they eat, head to tail, through the seasons so if they're going out you go with. I've never dressed an animal but done plenty of plucking and such. It's an experience like no other that people should go through - know where it's coming from and how it feels to take an animal down. Definitely an eye opener. – jesuisjuba - paleorepublic.com Oct 28 2011 at 20:00
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@Seaburgers - I did, nightmares for days. My grandpa was a serious hardass and made me do one of the chickens without my mom knowing. She helped me with the next one, we talked it over beforehand so my outlook was much better, my questions answered. I was just a kid so it was confusing. If you ever do it talk to the hunter or farmer, it will help. – jesuisjuba - paleorepublic.com Oct 28 2011 at 20:44
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thanks @jesuisjuba. Also @anon there are many reasons someone would be on this diet even if they "wont kill" health reasons probably being top. Silly question. – Carly Oct 28 2011 at 23:23
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Oh ok then anon. Because you said I may not have he killer instinct I'll stop eating meat even thoughI know it's essential to my health. Good one. – Carly Oct 29 2011 at 7:36
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I have killed....and I will kill again...

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not human...right? – B-man Oct 29 2011 at 5:26
someone call 911 – Paul Apr 27 2012 at 14:31
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Sure. My husband hunts so I haven't done the killing part - yet, but I demand he bring the whole animal home so I can use as much of it as possible. Lots of birds - geese, duck and pheasant. In the next few weeks I am going to slaughter and butcher a lamb my friend raised for us. I cannot say I am looking forward to the slaughter one bit. But since I want to eat his shanks very much I guess I am going to have to go through with it. I'll let you know how that turns out.

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mmmm.. lamby shanks. – jesuisjuba - paleorepublic.com Oct 28 2011 at 21:08
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ain't that the truth! – none Oct 28 2011 at 21:22
Ever taken a maggoty lamb to a rendering plant? That wasn't a fun day. I wonder what they did with it. – thhq Oct 29 2011 at 0:18
Jesus!!!! No I have not! I hope never to have that experience either. – none Oct 29 2011 at 1:06
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You'll do fine Mer. Check this vid out youtube.com/… – Touch the Clouds Oct 29 2011 at 11:33
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Without any hesitation. My husband's a hunter, both bow and rifle, and I've butchered my share of game. The only thing keeping me from going hunting with him now is that I prefer to spend my non-job time in the studio. If life were to get less cushy, I'd go get my dinner the old-fashioned way, no problemo.

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THe only thing that keeps me from going hunting is that damned rifle. It's LOUD and hurts like hell. I've got to get me a lady sized one. – none Oct 28 2011 at 21:34
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I hear you! I've recently completely a gun safety course and have been shooting at the range after work. I don't think it'll ever be fun for me. They're loud, often painful (the spent shells from a nine millimeter are hot and can fly right down your shirt...), and yes, I admit it, terrifying. – Rose Oct 28 2011 at 22:52
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I cannot shoot guns that flip out spent shells. I once tried my husband's pistol and a shell went right over my safety glasses and burnt my eyelid! I'm all girlie .22 revolvers right now. This will not take an elk down I reckon. – none Oct 28 2011 at 22:55
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LOL. No, no elk with a .22. Or at least, not swiftly and mercifully. I'm actually somewhat fond of revolvers too, as much as I can be fond of any gun. I shoot a lot straighter with the nine-mil semiautomatic, but I don't like it at all. The action is hard, and there's that business with the spent shells. And jamming. – Rose Oct 29 2011 at 0:50
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Depending on the gun the jamming can actually have a lot to with your grip on it. Might be worth studying up on. Odd about your guys problems with spent shells. I have only ever had an issue at the range when a shell bounces back or comes from someone next to me. Maybe you guys should get better guns? – saiklón Oct 29 2011 at 1:59
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I've never been in a "survival" situation per se. Ya know, "have to" kill to live.

But where I'm from hunting (or harvesting animals) is a normal part of the rhythm of our lives. It's seasonal. We don't go around "killing" for kicks...at least not the majority of us.

Anything I've ever killed, I've cleaned (dressed) myself. Took it to a local processor and "lived" off the meat for months.

From my perspective, it would be almost second nature to take the life of an animal for food (with my own hands). I think if you go to any butcher, any market, any ranch, any grocery store, etc. to buy your meat, you should also be willing to harvest the animal yourself.

I almost think it's a bit hypocritical for someone to eat meat their entire lives and pay someone else to do the harvesting...but not ever be willing to harvest the animal themselves.

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I dont think its one bit hypocritical....for the most part many of us do our part in society and pay a darn good price to have those meats harvested FOR us. I have no problem with any person who is either too squeemish (spelling?), or too busy to kill, clean, and butcher their own meat. Like anything those things take talent. – JayJay Oct 28 2011 at 19:31
Talent...or work, energy, and time....however you like to put it. – JayJay Oct 28 2011 at 19:31
Do modern hunter-gatherers always dress their own kills? No, they tend to hand that stuff over to the women to clean, prep and cook. They know how to do it in a pinch, but know that the women are better and faster at it, and less is wasted due to their skill. It's called specialization. – Nemesis Oct 28 2011 at 20:27
Good points. I'm not judging anyone who doesn't "harvest" their own. Obviously, we live in a time where it's not necessary. The degrees that separate us from our final food products are larger than other times in history. The operative word in my last sentence was "willing." I think that is the key to my perspective. There's a difference in never, ever doing it yourself (because you CAN pay someone else to do it are squeamish, etc.) and not being WILLING to do it I it ever came down to it. That's all I'm saying. Good topic for contemplation! – Russellstilsken Oct 29 2011 at 4:00
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I would wipe out an entire village for some pastured eggs.

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Made a large grin! – edrice Oct 28 2011 at 23:23
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Absolutely, the buck hanging in my garage who was standing on a hillside a mere 4 hours ago can attest to that. I thought that blood type stuff was quackery? Although I'm type O like almost every Native American is I know a lot of natives who don't hunt at all. Don't get me wrong there is definitely a higher percentage than the general population, however I think that has as much to do with the rural lifestyle and high rates of poverty that makes it a necessity rather than genetic predisposition. I think there are no limits to what people will do when there are few alternatives.

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I agree. I think a lot of squeamishness people have around hunting and butchering is lack of exposure; it certainly was that way for me. People get skilled and tough in the ways that life requires of them. Need and experience fix a lot of skills deficits. – Rose Oct 29 2011 at 3:35
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you must have type O blood Amerindian :) – sage_ Oct 29 2011 at 4:31
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Haha! Sage- that must be why I'm so 'mean' and 'aggressive.' – Touch the Clouds Oct 29 2011 at 9:54
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Daniel, thanks for the chuckle. That's great! – PaleoGran Oct 30 2011 at 20:11
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Only reason I would hesitate to kill larger animals is because I've never done so before. I think that is a normal view as a petite female....... I am most definitely the Hunter genotype; everyone in my family hunts. However even my younger sister has never actually shot a deer; her husband does all the hunting. She is capable of tearing anyone to pieces verbally though........

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A true artform ! – edrice Oct 28 2011 at 23:25
Fair comment. Fish, birds and mollusks I can deal with, but I've never dealt with the big stuff. Butchers went out of my family tree 2 generations ago. – thhq Oct 29 2011 at 0:22
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Have killed my own meat for food, but only domesticated. I would hunt, if I could hit anything, but unfortunately, I have zero coordination when it comes to shooting stuff. Couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with tank. OTOH, I'd have no problem being there to skin/gut/apportion the kill, and would be happy to handle smoking, drying, and cooking the meat (and, with some refresher practice, tanning the hides -- haven't done that in 30 years!)

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I had to kill a mouse once (for a pet snake) and it was pretty traumatizing. I have gone hunting with my dad on several occasions, and, in spite of no lack of trying, we've been "skunked" (didn't see any deer, nothing to do with skunks) on 4 consecutive occasions. Ironically, he has had success whenever I'm not with him, so maybe the deer know something I don't (either that I am harmless or that I am in fact a deadly hunter).

P.S. I'm assuming that fish, reptiles, and invertebrates don't count and we're talking about warm-blooded "harvesting".

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Birds? Go bird hunting if you can. Many more opportunities and you get to take many of them in a season. – none Oct 28 2011 at 20:59
That actually sounds like a good idea! I'd definitely love to bag a few turkeys, pheasants, etc. – FED at LiveCaveman.com Oct 28 2011 at 23:29
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I'd probably end up being a vegetarian if I had to kill my own food. Because I can't even bring myself to kill fruit flies, for goodness sake!! However, maybe if I was in a life or death situation and I was starving, then I might react differently...

Anyway, if I were in paleo times, wouldn't I be the one to receive the already killed meat, and would only have to skin/clean/cook it? (me being a female and all....) So maybe it wouldn't be much of a problem anyway. I'm not against killing an animal for food, I just don't know if I could do it myself.

Edit: I just remembered that I have gone fishing before. However, it was when I was really small, and after I caught the fish I just handed it to my dad and he did all the rest. I wonder if then, I could atleast kill fish? Hmm....

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I thought Morticia was an Addams. – thhq Oct 29 2011 at 0:19
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I grew up on a farm, we hunted & fished all the time, it is natural for me. Have used guns, bows, traps, etc.

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Josh, thanks for your post. Yes, it is a natural thing to do. – PaleoGran Oct 30 2011 at 20:12
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Around here (Pennsylvania), just about every guy and quite a few gals hunt or have hunted. I usually get 2 or 3 deer every year, and several groundhogs that raid my garden. One year I shot 14 groundhogs. I field dress (gut) the deer where they fall, but it's easier to get the butcher to skin and cut up the meat and freeze it, although I have done it myself. I do cut out the deer liver while gutting it - nothing better than liver from a wild deer.

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I took my hunter's safety test back in July and I've been practicing at the shotgun range for a month or two now to hopefully bag a deer this season. I'm in New Jersey, though, so this might take a while.

I dabble in archery and my skills there have convinced me that I won't be an ethical bow hunter without a lot more practice. So modern technology it is.

I don't think this is a "litmus test" really. Killing your own food is nice and all, but it's not really possible for everyone to do so in the modern world. Nor is re-enactment central to anything Paleo (or at least I hope so). I suppose it is an interesting mental exercise, though.

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I would. Actually, once I scrape some more money together I'd like to learn how to hunt. Bow, rifle... not sure which. Actually, possibly both. I'll see what I can do.

Ideally, I'd like to live like the elk hunt scene in Last of the Mohicans. Chasing down my food, killing it quickly, honoring the animal for providing for me and then using the entire animal - because I feel not using the entire animal is wasteful and I can NOT tolerate waste (food, time... just waste in general). It bothers me a lot.

If you don't know the scene, here it is on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9oW0Nk7Dm4

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This question is paradoxically offensive. It reveals a namby-pamby readership with a disgustingly delicate suburban sensibility. Like that other thread trying to imagine life without iPhones, I only read the title of that and got disgusted. You kids are up shit crick when the empire falls any day now. Pitiful.

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One person's question implicates the entire readership of PH? Logic fail. Insight fail. General all-around fail. – Rose Oct 28 2011 at 22:55
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Touché. But how did you know I was a four-star general named All Around Fail? – Huey Oct 28 2011 at 22:59
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Furthermore, assuming the readership is largely North American, the suburbs in which the disgustingly delicate PHers reside are bristling with more hunters than you'll find anywhere else in the First World. My "namby-pamby" corner of the world -- Eugene, a pasty hippy vegan capital if there ever was one -- is packed with hunters, not to mention small-scale farmers who don't shrink from slaughtering their own livestock. Check your assumptions, jack. – Rose Oct 28 2011 at 22:59
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If I was into reenactment I'd dig them with my bare hands. But I'm too namby pamby and in a hurry, so I'll be using a shovel. – thhq Oct 29 2011 at 0:14
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Ed, I get Huey's point, but I think I object almost as much to the ridiculing of inexperienced people as I do to being lumped in with the squeamish suburbanites. I'm a city kid, child of immigrants who didn't hunt or camp, and my sole source of experience with such things has been through my husband. It took a while for me to get over my own squeamishness, but I managed. Honestly, I think a lot of the pussing out we're seeing in the responses is simply lack of exposure/lack of necessity. That's nothing to be ashamed of -- you can't control the way your family raised you -- and it can be fixed. – Rose Oct 29 2011 at 2:36
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I've only killed poultry and fish but I have skinned rabbits, cut pieces of deermeat off a hanging carcass, and cut up sides of beef for the freezer using the guide in 'Joy of Cooking' as my roadmap.

As an animal lover I think I would find it hard to kill a large mammal but given the fact that I like to eat them I might do it if necessary!

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Naa, I've never killed an animal, so i can't really answer the question! I'd rather squeeze a cows udder than kill that whole thing and let it die naturally.

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Absolutely - I view it as totally natural and an intrinsic part of life. But then again I grew up in south Africa, where everyone I knew hunted, and shopping for chicken involved the 'chicken man' coming around with live birds, of which you chose the best one, which he proceeded to kill in your backyard.

My cousins always used to eat the fresh liver, raw, after hunting and freshly killng game such as nyala, kudu etc. A little bit was considered a delicacy.

The squeamishness around killing for meat strikes me as an exclusively first world urban issue.

I Would personally kill an animal for consumption with sadness, reverence and gratitude.

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Yes I would, but I've never killed and cleaned anything more than a fish. If there were a zombie apocalypse to live through, then I wouldn't have a problem if it meant surviving.

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Yes, in order to survive, I'd hunt for food. Such a simple question, yet one that can trigger thinking -- and likely one that all carnivores should consider. For myself, I think the only reason I don't hunt now is that others do it for me.

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Bow hunting for sure. Have nothing against guns but where's the challenge in that - unless hunting for survival would stick with the bow. One of these days I'll try it.

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I am admittedly squeamish at the thought of ending an animals life, by my own hands, in order to eat it. I had been a vegetarian/vegan for 3 years (many years ago) mostly because the thought of animals suffering in order for me to eat made me cry, feel like crap and gave me a guilt complex like you have NO idea....and if I still really, I mean, REALLY think about it too much I do get kind of depressed about it. I do feel better eating meats from local sources although can't always afford to. I physically feel better now that i'm a carnivore again and wouldn't trade my health to be a vegan again EVER. But...i'm still a puss, i'm still squeamish, i'm still a sad and pathetic hunter (but i'd gather with the best of them!). I want to get past this. I want to be able to raise my own chickens, eat their eggs and when the time comes, be able to thank them graciously and then take care of business myself....I know the life they will live with me will be much better than in any factory setting...i'm doing them a favor (this is the story I have to tell myself on a constant basis). This upcoming year my husband and I will be taking a "class" through our local Farm Co-op to learn how to do just that. I know i'm going to be the weepy chick (no pun intended) in the back trying to get a grip but I WILL do it. But I don't judge ANYONE who can't. You do what you can...you support what you can...you live to the best of your ability and don't be an asshole to someone just because they can't do what comes easy to you.

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Please know, i'm not calling anyone specific an "asshole" (ok, maybe Rush Limbaugh...i'll call HIM an asshole) but what i'm saying is it isn't cool to be judgey. – Karin Oct 29 2011 at 0:37
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The theory is that our ancestors hunted and killed and therefore so should we. We're talking about DNA here......epigenetics. I know my genotype and was surrounded by it as a kid. There's a definite personality and attitude in the type O Hunter clans. A lot of mean people and can be aggressive. If this is not your natural personality, if you really don't have the instinct to kill in order to survive, doing a diet that involves eating a lot of fresh animal meat especially red meat seems kind of silly.

There is another element of being a Hunter which actually is literally hunting.... for anything, not just animals. If you don't enjoy literally hunting for hours on end up on your hind legs walking for hours and looking for things......anything, just sniffing around here and there..... if you can't run, don't like to run, have never run really.... the idea of running after someone or something.... isn't your nature...... if you don't hunt around on the Internet, scouting out this and that... well a lot of people do nowadays, it's a national past time just about.... you might want to do some contemplating. I'm clear about who I am any why I eat paleo.

I argued eariler this year with blood type As on another forum who said they never hunted for anything in their lives-- not even at the mall!-- they actually couldn't relate to the "up off your ass and moving about thing" yet insisted a diet high in animal protein specifically red meat was good for them and really anyone.

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Nah, it's not blood type O's. It's astrological fire signs who are born to hunt, especially Sagittarius, the archer. The earth signs are okay for Paleo, too, but air and water signs -- especially Pisces! -- shouldn't eat meat at all. Their epigenetics are for tofu. – Rose Oct 29 2011 at 3:26
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i'm all air but i helped my 80 year old grandmother corner one of her roosters so she could take its head off with her machete. i did most of the plucking, but that's only because she said she would put him in the pot feathers and all if i didn't get to it...good times :) – sage_ Oct 29 2011 at 4:30
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Blood type? If we're gonna go with Woo, we should use the Chinese system. Five elements: (fire, water, air, metal, wood) combined with the 12 astrological animals (dragon, hare, rat, etc) gives us 60 different basic characters to play with! I must be a water/dragon. Every time I see an animal bigger than a chihuahua I piss my pants! Better woo, people, better woo. – garymar Oct 29 2011 at 5:15
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HRM... Water Tiger here... and Virgo... so I guess that suits. Good for gutting, cleaning, prepping, and cooking -- not so much for the killing part. But you know, not EVERY person in a tribe hunted or gathered... different folk handled different stuff, which is why it makes sense that humans, in general, do better in COMMUNITIES than as solo entities... and it also explains why blood type, etc., probably has nothing to do with whether or not someone "should" eat meat -- 'cause the whole tribe would have to eat what was available. – Firestorm Oct 29 2011 at 13:48
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Oh dear, I'd better stop eating everything - I'm blood group O but also a water sign. By the way if anyone suggests that I stop eating meat, other Scorpio traits may surface - so start watching your back! – OldBear Oct 29 2011 at 14:40
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Don't forget that the "Paleo" diet, in situ, included not only hunting but also significant gathering. So, even if you're not a "born hunter", it stands to reason that you would still eat meat and still eat a "Paleo" diet.

Early humans lived in small family groups, where subsistence tasks were divided among members of the group- assuming based on area of skill, some hunted, some gathered, all ate. This set up can be seen within extant hunter-gatherer societies as well. Just a thought.

But yes, personally, if I had to, I could do it. Never done it before but if I was hungry, I think I'd have to.

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Yup definitely!

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I hunt. And I eat.

Unfortunately my freezer is almost empty and I won't be allowed to hunt again until November unless I leave the state. Regardless, I look forward to it, even if I get nothing, I will have still walked in the woods all day and enjoyed the solitude.

I no longer eat wild pig offal simply due to some pretty nasty stuff the wildlife commission has been finding in the blood and organs of boar and sow alike (I used to eat sow liver in sausages). So... here's to hoping I finally get something other than pigs.

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