Paleo Diet and Paleolithic Diet Questions & Answers

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Hi, I'm eating a low to moderate carb diet (around 100g-150g of carbs a day) and was wondering if it's a bad idea to eat carbs with fats at the same time. I'm someone who is trying to lose fat while gaining/maintaining muscle.

For example: Rice mixed with chicken fat or coconut oil is a typical Malaysian dish that my family sometimes has. If the serving of rice is under 25g of carbs, is it ok to have it with the chicken fat or coconut oil?

I also sometimes like to mix my coconut oil with a little honey to make it more appetizing and am wondering if this is bad since honey is high in carbs.

Also, I've looked at previous similar questions but the answers seem to be inconclusive or confusing to me. This is something I've always heard NOT to do, and am wondering if it's true at all or if it's just "bro-science" (I was reading this article on targeted ketogenic diets, which says not to eat too much fat while eating carbs)

Thanks for your insight!

edited Nov 1 2011 at 19:14

asked Nov 1 2011 at 18:53

Nourished Girl
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	Are you trying to lose weight? – Annie Nov 1 2011 at 18:58
	I am. I'll edit my question :) I'm trying to lose fat, while gaining/maintaining muscle. – Nourished Girl Nov 1 2011 at 19:15
	Also, generally my meals consists of protein, with fats and carbs. – Nourished Girl Nov 1 2011 at 19:17
	IMHO, if you are trying to lose weight, I would do higher carb and lower fat, or higher fat and lower carb, or lower carb and lower fat. Not high fat and high carb. They are both readily available sources of energy, which means not good for losing weight and fat. What are your nutrient ratios right now? – Annie Nov 1 2011 at 20:05
	A typical meal is 15g of protein, 30g of carbs, and I take coconut oil. – Nourished Girl Nov 1 2011 at 21:33

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Beth-WeightMaven · Answer 1 · 2011-11-01 18:56:59Z UTC

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I think it's great to eat some fat with carbs. Fat helps slow digestion down which is generally a good thing for both satiation and blood glucose levels. And it's tasty!

answered Nov 1 2011 at 18:56

Beth-WeightMaven
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It definitely is tasty lol. Chicken fat and rice is so delish! Not sure if rice is paleo, but my family traditionally eats it with dinner :)) – Nourished Girl Nov 1 2011 at 18:58

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Some of us here treat white rice in the same class as dairy ... not necessarily Grok-like foods, but often well tolerated by individuals. – Beth-WeightMaven Nov 1 2011 at 19:12

Kasra · Answer 2 · 2011-11-01 19:09:49Z UTC

From Martin Berkhan's Leangains Protocol:

"Macronutrients and calorie intakes are always cycled through the week. The specifics depends on the client's ultimate goal: fat loss, muscle gain or bodyrecomposition. The details will be revealed in the book. Generally speaking, carbs and total calorie intake is highest on training days. On rest days, carbs are lower and fat is higher. Protein is kept high on all days."

He doesn't say why he cycles carbs, so I wouldn't worry too much either way.

Andreas · Answer 3 · 2011-11-01 20:34:53Z UTC

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Total calories decide whether you will loose or gain weight. Macro ratios will only have minor effect on weight or fat loss. Low carb diet however sucks for building muscle. Control your energy intake and fat intake/carb intake becomes irrelevant.

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Hmmm can you explain why low/moderate carb is bad for muscle building? From what I've read and a bit of experience it's one of the best for building muscle and losing fat. – Nourished Girl Nov 1 2011 at 20:42

Not necessarily, I have learned. In my experience, what you eat is just as if not sometimes more important than how much you eat. This is evidently because different foods are processed in different parts of the body. Sugar, for example, is not ideal to eat for this reason and many others. – affine Nov 1 2011 at 22:42

Sorry for late response! Low carb diets in combination with vigorous training, results in body depletion of glucose and reduced anaerobic muscle metabolism, lovering of numerous anabolic hormones and reduced thyroid activity. All things that makes muscle building difficult. Most people can however build muscle on a low/moderate carb diet (25E% carb or so!). Starches are probably the most efficient ones for muscle building and fructose the worst. – Andreas Jan 25 2012 at 21:11

Sue · Answer 4 · 2011-11-02 07:10:44Z UTC

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For fat loss and burning fat 24/7 Joel and Craig have that 24/7 programme coming out soon. There is a free download about it ATM. Re carbs, protein and fat - this is optimal for fat burning according to them (among other things):

Either: Protein + Fat Meals (less than 10g carbs) OR Protein + Carb Meals (less than 10g fat)

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	Yeah, this is what I believe to be best. Though Fat+Carbs slows the processing of carbs, fat seems to raise insulin with carbs more than carbs alone. Raised insulin + carbs = raised blood sugar. Raised BS means no fat can be mobilized to burn. – SlightlyReworded Nov 2 2011 at 10:37
	that makes no sense slightlyreworded, higher insulin usually means less BS. Insulin removes sugar from the blood. – cliff Nov 2 2011 at 12:24
	Hmmm, if someone is insulin resistant though would insulin still be effective in removing sugar from the blood? Sometimes this stuff gets so confusing :\ – Nourished Girl Nov 2 2011 at 16:16

Adulescens Appetens · Answer 5 · 2011-11-01 19:08:58Z UTC

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I find that eating protein-rich foods with my carbs blunts the impact on my blood sugar.

answered Nov 1 2011 at 19:08

Adulescens Appetens
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Thank you for your input, but I was curious about fat and carbs specifically. I should have clarified, that in each meal I usually eat carbs and proteins together. – Nourished Girl Nov 2 2011 at 0:06

majkinetor · Answer 6 · 2011-11-01 19:25:03Z UTC

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Carbs + Fat is OK

Fat + Protein is OK

Carbs + Protein is NOT OK

Basic principles of food combining, if such thing is real.

I would just add 1 more Carbs + PUFA is NOT OK.

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majkinetor

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food combining has been dis proven – cliff Nov 1 2011 at 19:34

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"Carbs + Protein is NOT OK." Welp, there goes my post-workout regimen. Care to expand on this? I know Martin Berkhan isn't completely paleo but Ive been using his framework and going high fat/low carb on non-workout days and high protein/higher carb post-workout and Ive had a good deal of success. – Craig Nov 1 2011 at 19:54

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I had heard the opposite: from Turbocharged (Dian and Tom Griesel, who base much of their diet on Paleo) Fats + carbs is NOT OK, 90% carbs + 10% protein is OK and 10% carbs + 90% protein is OK – gydle Nov 1 2011 at 20:04

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cliff: any good info on that ? – majkinetor Nov 1 2011 at 20:24

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I don't know of either evidence that food combining has any relevance to health or that it has been falsified. So I'm not believing it, it is horrendous to follow as well. I tried it once and nearly went insane. Now I eat 2 big meals with everything and feel much better. – Stabby Nov 1 2011 at 21:02

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Mallory · Answer 7 · 2011-11-01 20:57:24Z UTC

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you can do whatever you want haha.... the only answer to your question lies in you. try all combinations and stick to the ones that work... no one can answer the question but you

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Can I eat Carbs with Fats at the same time?

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