I was an adherent to the Doug Graham way for a little over two years. From what I could tell interacting with a large part of the community during that time, 80-10-10 leaves you either emaciated and skinny, or emaciated and fat. There are only a handful of exceptions to this, and all of them are ferociously athletic (marathoners, basically). In fact even the ridiculously athletic people seem to end up looking incredibly thin, despite loading up on as many calories they can possibly consume from fruit and greens.

In my personal experience, 80-10-10 initially seemed fantastic. I started losing weight very quickly and had more energy than I had previously experienced. But after 8 or 9 months, I started losing hair, my energy was low, the weight loss stalled, my teeth were suffering (chewing became physically painful), and I started having issues with depression. At the advice of 30BaD, I dramatically increased my calorie intake (from 1200 to 2300, from 1lb of greens to 3-4lbs). After 6 months of that I had recovered from some of the issues I was experiencing, but gained back a significant amount of the weight I had lost. At the advice of 30BaD, I increased my calorie intake again (by 400) and dramatically increased my level of exercise (from running 20 miles per week to 35, plus weight training). I did that for 10 months and gave up. When I stopped, I was absolutely miserable. One day I would have energy and I would workout and lose weight, the next I could barely drag myself out of bed - and no amount of bananas or date-water could convince my legs to run 5 miles.

I have no doubt the diet can be successful, even long term, for an incredibly active individual who is willing to devote his or her life to their diet and exercise regime. I am definitely not that person. I tried it, I hated it. It's not for me. I definitely prefer a more "paleo" approach to life. Less cardio, less forcefeeding, and a fuckload less time on the toilet. Also more hair. Which is nice.

This diet is very dangerous and some people get really sick from it. I'm included in that and I'm still recovering from this diet 2 years later.

I've written an article about my nightmare of a health on the diet here: http://thepaleodiet.net/how-steve-pavlina-almost-killed-me/

I can only hope that people in search for a solution for their problems will hear about the paleo diet before the raw food diet because it will save them many problem.

This is basically Ornish's diet, with a raw vegan twist on it. I think 10% fat is probably at or below the limit of what's possible while remaining healthy.

It is probably tough to avoid EFA deficiency on this diet.

Cordain's paper on HG macronutrient ratios puts fat at a minimum of 25%. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10702160

Thirty 100 gram bananas would provide (nutritiondata on raw bananas)

• 684g of carbohydrates (336 grams of sugar)
• 33g of protein
• 9g of fat

Minerals (relative to RDA) - 30% Calcium, Iron, Zinc, Selenium, 40% Manganese, 60% Phosphorus, 120% Copper, 210% Magnesium, 300% Potassium

Vitamins (relative to RDA) - 30% A, 60% B1, 120% B2, 90% B5, 90% B3, 150% B9, 450% C, 30% E, 30% K

A not very delicious twist on aiming for diabetes (see Drew's link). The equivalent of yams or potatoes (by calories), which would provide about 1/10th the sugar.

30 BaD is just another twist on the raw vegan diet. Most raw vegans run into problems with vitamin deficiency particularly vit a, vit d, b12, and k2, all of which must be obtained from animal fats or supplements. Vitamin D can be gotten from the sun but if you live in Northern climate it's nearly impossible to get adequate d. Most vegans report feeling a vibrant glow after switching from the SAD diet. Of course anyone coming off a diet of pizzas, sodas and fries will feel this 'glow' too.

It's interesting that a lot of them are marathoners. I like Robert Lustig's take on fructose and athletes. Paraphrasing here:

"If you're an elite athlete, you can do whatever you want. You can have unlimited fructose. But it's not the athletes drinking the gatorade. It's the fat kids."

So you can probably get away with all that fructose as long as you're exercising nonstop. But I wonder what happens when sedentary....

Regardless, that doesn't prevent you from becoming deficient as hell in various micro-nutrients.

I think when Minger gave up raw veganism, she gave up raw as well. I don't think she eats 100% raw animal products. Someone can correct me if I have misunderstood her.

To their credit, the "salvation" of the LFRV diet is the fact they "overfeed." The 30Bananas a day thing is just a euphemism for the fruitarian diet.

Some of them actually look pretty good, but for most people this isn't a long term diet and never will be.

If they are considered defenders of T. Colin Campbell, then he is in worse trouble than I initially thought. :-)

Here's what I think of that site. Even when I was a raw food vegan, I thought those guys were crazy. It's obviously a totally deficient diet. May make you feel okay in the short term, but the lack of very essential nutrients will eventually catch up with you.

Well, my opinion on it (based on the info you provided) is similar to the one I have on "Skinny bitch" book that I just had a chance to open in a bookstore the other day...

i felt sick after eating 4 bananas in a sitting the other day (roasted on campfire, actually). 26 more? PUKE INTO FIRE, EXTINGUISHING MY HUMANITY. not paleo.