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As far as diet goes, what are the biggest impactors on the thyroid? Specifically the causes of hypothyroidism?

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"wheat, soy, and other autoimmune-promoting or goitrogenic toxins" source: perfecthealthdiet.com/?p=2998 – daz Nov 26 2011 at 7:48

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According to ray peat who has studied the subject for decades the biggest impactors on thyroid are PUFAs, stress and certain amino acids(methinone, trytophan, cysteine). Estrogenic foods like soy and certain vegetables are problematic as well. Not getting enough nutrition is very anti-thyroid too.

Ray also thinks that burning free fatty acids is very stressful therefore anti-thyroid so he recommends enough sugar to keep liver glycogen full, sugar in my experience has the biggest impact on thyroid as its very pro-thyroid.

A very easy way to test for hypothyroidism is body temp, you want it to be ~97.7 upon waking and 98.6 after you eat your first meal. You want your pulse around 80-90 bpms as well, high pulse+high temp could indicate adrenal stress. You can use these numbers in combination with diet to see what lowers and raises your thyroid.

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I think the body temp test may provide some useful information about metabolism but it alone is by no means a definitive test for hypothyroidism. The late great Broda Barnes wrote that some people never achieve so-called normal body temp despite adequate thyroid hormone replacement. Rosedale diet followers achieve lower temps without hypothyroidism. Hormones and mental state during testing also affect the temperature. – Alexandra Nov 26 2011 at 16:36
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broda barnes also says temperature is the only accurate way to measure thyroid as the blood tests for thyroid don't really tell much unless you are in a state of severe hypothyroidism. Rosedale dieters are hypothyroid they even admit this, low carb diets down regulates t3. They think that's good.... – cliff Nov 26 2011 at 18:33
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Rosedale defeats himself with regards his argument to longevity in his latest post. The body needs glucose to turn T4 into T3, very high fat keto diets are basically starvation diets without the hunger, hence a reduction in T3 to preserve lean mass as much as possible. Of course, the body needs glucose so will eventually get some from lean mass if there's not enough in the diet. – JRAC Nov 28 2011 at 15:34
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I thought Rosedale's latest response explains that his plan causes the body to run "cooler" but more efficientl and that in his view, it does not create a true hypothyroid condition. – Alexandra Nov 28 2011 at 15:49
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If my body temp was lower than the so-called ideal and I had great energy and normal body fat and no clinical signs of hypothyroid such as dry skin, falling hair etc, I doubt any doc would prescribe thyroid hormone. I would not use low temp alone, in isolation of other signs, as a reason to add carbs. – Alexandra Nov 28 2011 at 15:51
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The diet with the largest impact on the thyroid would be an iodine-deficient diet.

-Steve

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Iodine is a pretty much a non issue for people in developed countries – cliff Nov 26 2011 at 18:35
its actually provbably easier to take in to much iodine negatively impacting thyroid. – cliff Nov 26 2011 at 18:36
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If you don't eat seafood it's extremely easy to be iodine-deficient, cliff. – Bruno Dec 22 2011 at 14:08
Though I now gotta say, I don't agree with this statement at all. There's so much more... – Bruno Feb 17 2012 at 19:06
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I don't know if particular foods cause hypothyroidism, but I do have hypo and based on research I've done, I stay away from cruciferous veggies -- spinach, cabbage, brussels sprouts, broccoli, cauliflower, etc. Apparently they have a negative effect on thyroid function when eaten raw, but cooked they're fine. I don't think that eating these things raw has any effect on people with normal-functioning thyroids.

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I don't think spinach is a cruciferous veggie. Good answer though. – Phoenix Nov 28 2011 at 15:29
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@ Cliff:

We're all dying of something. I realize there are more indications of low thyroid than the few I mentioned. I agree that low body temp can be a sign of it but it is by no means definitive when taken in isolation. Other health conditions, hormonal status, seasons,sex, and emotional state amont other factors can also affect body temp. If you choose to believe that everyone with less than the so-called normal body temp at all times is hypothyroid, that's your choice. I disagree. Here's some interesting info on the so-called normal body temp and factors affecting it:

http://www.anaturalhealingcenter.com/documents/Thorne/articles/bodytemp.pdf

http://www.anaturalhealingcenter.com/documents/Thorne/articles/BodyTemp12-1.pdf

Getting back to the actual original question which had to do with diet and it's impact on thyroid -- from my own personal experience as someone with hypothyroidism who takes medication and who gets labs taken regularly to monitor thyroid levels and antibodies -- I think each person's susceptibility to goitregens and to iodine vary. No difference in how I feel from eating lots of steamed goitrogens, tea (all varieties, cocoa, raw nuts in general. Foods that have made a difference -- a negative one -- are soy, dairy, wheat, raw walnuts in excess (I love them but have to eat these in moderation -- raw almonds on the other hand, also a goitrogen don't have the same impact) and too much iodine. I love seaweed but overdoing kelp or Lugol's has a negative impact. I think most important universal diet tip for thyroid health is adequate protein -- not high --- but adequate from a variety of organic sources -- seafood, pastured eggs, grassfed animal flesh and organs. For autoimmune (Hashis/Graves) or overweight non Hashi hypos, avoiding wheat and legumes seems helpful. From the many women I know with hypothyroidism who are also overweight, they appear to all be addicted to wheat. Just a personal observation for what it's worth.

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Here's my anecdotal evidence on the diet/hypothyroid connection:

In 2005, I retired from the military, a healthy 39 yo male, 5'11, 200lbs. On no medicine. By 2007 I was 240lbs, on meds for high BP, high trigs, hypothyroid and gout. My diet was total crap and I didn't exercise. I was stressed out from moves and career changes, I had sleep apnea and just started using a CPAP. In 2010, doc said I was diabetic and needed more meds. I said "NO WAY". I found Mark's Daily Apple and the Primal Blueprint exactly 1 year ago today. Full on paleo/primal by Feb 2011. By May, I was down to 185--my bp, trigs, gout all cured--off those meds. Doc said "Synthroid is for life, my boy!"

In 2006, my TSH was 40. They treated me with Synthroid in varying doses until it got down to 2. After I started paleo eating, my TSH was always .55 (low end of normal). Doc said "this is good, it's because of the Synthroid--not your silly new diet".

June 2011 I quit taking my Synthroid. I had my TSH tested in Sept and it was 2.55 (mid-range normal). Tested it two weeks ago and it was 2.00.

Now, I was never diagnosed with Hashimotos or tested for Thyroid antibodies. When I would ask the doc why my thyroid wasn't working, he'd say, "sometimes they just don't".

I think that once I got my weight under control, fixed my sleep, and reduced my stress--my TSH returned to normal. I don't think there was ever anything wrong with my thyroid, just a bunch of metabolic derangement that caused high TSH.

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Avoid toxic foods (wheat, soy etc) and listen to Ray Peat (although I'm still not convinced of fructose over starch...). :-)

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Bear in mind that Peat's plan is not some holy grail to prevent hypothyroidism. He himself takes thyroid hormone. In one interview at Shomon's thyroid support site he advocates "nibbling" on a cytomel throughout the day. His diet may encourage the conversion of T4 to T3 and could prevent malnutrition related hypothyroidism, but guzzling milk and orange juice or eating copious amounts of sweet fruit etc is not some magic cure for true hypothyroidism. – Alexandra Nov 28 2011 at 15:55
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For the last three years, I have suffered symptoms of hypothyroidism then someone recommended natural thyroid supplements and I tried it as soon as possible. After few weeks I felt the incredible changes in my body. I’m so happy.

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I agree- I also switched last summer and feel much better than when I was on synthetic Eltroxin. – henny Dec 22 2011 at 13:25

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