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We dislike chronic cardio, ie long distance running, and it makes sense when we look at a sprinter's body vs. a marathon runner's body. My question is, does this also hold for swimmers? Michael Phelps swims 6 hrs a day 6 days a week and trains for long distance, yet his body is long, lean with super defined abs and arms. Based on a quick Google search, I can't find evidence that Michael Phelps weight trains I can't imagine ever getting that kind of definition in my arms and abs just through swimming alone -- Is there something different about swimming long distance compared to running long distance?? How does he get such a great body from swimming only, and long distance - is it just phenomenal genes or the swimming?

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Umm.. who is "we?" Are you a conjoined twin?!?! ::crosses fingers:: – jesuisjuba - paleorepublic.com Dec 4 2011 at 3:36
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If that's the case, it's wise to consider the location of your twin when choosing between running or swimming. – lunabelle Dec 4 2011 at 3:48
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But if you were a conjoined triplet then you're solid for triathlons. – jesuisjuba - paleorepublic.com Dec 4 2011 at 3:56
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That could be a straight up advantage, depending on the bone density and added weight in question. – lunabelle Dec 4 2011 at 4:00
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This made me imagine the "human centipede" trying to swim. ((shudders)) – lil' Richard frm tx fan Dec 4 2011 at 6:08
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Michael Phelps is an outlier. He is beyond the norm in a whole lot of key respects. Strong natural aptitude, strong motivation, fierce competitive spirit, willingness to work hard and capable of being coached.

Starting with outliers (Phelps, Tiger Woods, and so many more) and then comparing to some human norm, is how non sequiturs get started. Not to mention junk science.

I presume our ancestors would look at a river as something to cross at the most shallow section, rather than an opportunity to get their heart rate up.

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Phelps is a sprinter. And logically, just how far would our ancestors have ever swum on anything approaching a regular basis? I'd say running is more natural to us. Of course if you're after fat loss then with the full body action, low injury risk and high thermal loads of being in water then being a swimmer can be effective. But Phelps doesn't represent chronic cardio to me - even the 400m medley is barely over 4 minutes.

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his regular training routine is 6hrs swim/day for 6 days a week – gimmeMoreLiver Dec 3 2011 at 21:52
he may be training in the pool for 6 hours, but he's not doing 6 hours steady-state 'chronic' cardio. And I think you'll find land sprinters spend quite a lot of time training, but they doesn't make them marathoners. Aside from trying to apply generalise from one elite athlete to an entire species, I'd've said if anything he's an argument for speed over distance. – AndyM Dec 3 2011 at 23:04
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Swimmers generally have higher body fat than their runner counterparts, so from that perspective, it's less ideal. See http://www.sportsci.org/news/compeat/fat.html. There's no scientific consensus on why that is generally the case.

Swimming also isn't weight bearing and won't do much for increasing bone density - swimmers have actually been found to have poor bone density compared to other athletes. See http://www.swimmingscience.net/2010/07/bone-mineral-density-in-swimmers.html

Michael Phelps is only one person. You can't draw any conclusions from that (just like you also shouldn't draw any definitive conclusions from looking only at Art De Vany, Mark Sisson, etc.).

Intuitively, our ancestors likely spent very little time in the water.

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None of the top level swimmers, Phelps included, have a body fat level which I'd consider high. Is there research supporting your claim that body fats at those levels are "not ideal"? – Wisper Dec 4 2011 at 13:39
I didn't say it's not ideal, just that it's less ideal. I inferred that the OP valued leanness from the wording of the post, so a higher body fat would be less ideal considering that. I don't know of any studies that have been done to compare the healthfulness of, say, 10% vs 6% body fat. But without research saying there is no difference, 6% certainly looks much more impressive than 10% and yields a greater power-to-weight ratio assuming LBM is held constant. – Silverspeed Dec 6 2011 at 5:40
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I would find it hard to believe that he doesn't do at least some weight training. I do not know of a swimming program that does not have it as a part. As a minimum, he would be using hand or feet flippers or a paddle machine.

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I swam competitively for 15 years, including part of college. I was [clearly] nowhere near Phelps' level of competitiveness, but I was at a high enough level to know what general training is for elite swimmers. It definitely comes under the "chronic cardio" umbrella if you are concerned about that. For example, for the last seven years I swam I had two workouts a day, six days a week. All in all I spent about 30 hours at the pool each week. Most of that was in the pool, but we also did quite a bit of resistance and cross-training on deck, with medicine balls, running, and plyometrics. I did bodyweight exercises through high school and didn't get into actual lifting until college, but I assure you we did plenty of strength training along with training in the pool. I can't imagine Phelps only swims.

Also, for training purposes: Even our sprinters were at the pool about between 3 and 4 hours a day. Those of us who swam distance (especially me, as an open water swimmer), were at the pool at least five, sometimes in three sessions during school breaks.

One hypothesis as to why swimmers have a generally higher level of body fat than other elite athletes is that they're in a lower temperature of water and need the fat for insulation. Whether that's true or not, I have no idea. I hovered around 140 lbs and 14-15% BF the entire time I swam at my highest level. Note: I was a distance swimmer, not a sprinter. Most of the sprinters I knew had slightly lower BF% than the distance swimmers. I would guess that the distance swimmers tended higher because of possible higher cortisol levels, and would be similar to distance runners that way--but with significantly higher lean mass.

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In running events, excess fat = excess weight, reduced ability to radiate heat and is a distinct disadvantage. In swimming, excess weight, while a disadvantage, is less so, AND bodyfat increases bouyancy and provides insulation, so it's a mixed bag which apparently favors slightly higher bf%s. If you want to see swimmers with lower bf%s, require all pools to be heated to 95.00° Fahrenheit/35.00° Celsius and VOILA, in a few years you'll see leaner swimmers on the world stage. – Daniel Kirsner Dec 3 2011 at 23:49
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Blacks have denser bones than whites, btw--a distinct advantage for whites in this sport. – Daniel Kirsner Dec 3 2011 at 23:50
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Daniel, do you have citations for that assertion? Having studied anthropology and the history of eugenics for many years, I have never come upon this information. Curious. And it's not credible without sources, quite frankly. – Scrubjay Dec 4 2011 at 3:43
I just googled "blacks bone density whites" and found this: jcem.endojournals.org/content/82/2/429 – Silverspeed Dec 4 2011 at 4:23
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Yes please, Daniel, would you mind elaborating with sources? I'm referring to both of your comments. @blueballoon I also raced for years, was a sprinter, and my training regimen was damn near close to yours but with a weekly run. All were in agreement with with the higher level of body fat hypothesis. Always was a bit baffling.. – jesuisjuba - paleorepublic.com Dec 4 2011 at 4:25
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