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With my constant adjusting of my diet and my constant questions filling up PaleoHacks...someone recommended the "Perfect Health Diet" which states that rice is a suitable safe starch. Do you eat rice? What kind do you prefer (brown, wild, white loaded with butter ;])? Do you eat it regularly? What are your thoughts about rice in the Paleo diet?

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2 cups (dry) steamed basmati per day. Love rice.... – Travis Culp Dec 4 2011 at 6:57
Basmati is my favourite. – Sue Dec 4 2011 at 8:38

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I follow the PHD fairly closely (save for generally one off-plan meal a week). I do eat rice, typically 3-4x a week. As the Jaminets' recommend, I go with white rice since the anti-nutrients in rice are predominantly found in the bran. As far as my thoughts about rice, I tend to agree with Paul and Kurt Harris. The latter recently wrote:

My list [of safe starches] is white potatoes, sweet potatoes, white rice and bananas. If more exotic fare like plantains and taro is available to you, that is fine, too. Except for white rice, these are all whole food starch sources with good mineral and micronutrient content that have been eaten in good health for thousands of years in many environments by genetically diverse populations. Many of these plants have spread far from their biomes of origin and serve as staples for populations who have adopted them with success over just the past few thousand years.

These starchy plant organs or vegetables are like night and day compared to most cereal grains, particularly wheat. One can eat more than half of calories from these safe starches without the risk of disease from phytates and mineral deficiencies one would have from relying on grains.

White rice is kind of a special case. It lacks the nutrients of root vegetables and starchy fruits like plantain and banana, but is good in reasonable quantities as it is a very benign grain that is easy to digest and gluten free.

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I wonder if that would apply to the (very) occasional white rice flour? Probably not... – Erica Dec 4 2011 at 1:35
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Actually, I've not gone that route (yet), but the Jaminets do use rice-based products including rice noodles. – Beth-WeightMaven Dec 4 2011 at 2:07
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If you do buy the noodles look at the ingredients should just contain rice and water nothing else. – Sue Dec 4 2011 at 8:17
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Now that the cold weather is here, yes! It goes in my soups. I'm not a huge rice eater otherwise, preferring potatoes for starch these days.

I also eat rice noodles now too. The rice spring roll wrappers are fun to play with. I fill these with bok choy, pork and/or chicken, carrots and sprouts. Infinite possibilities!

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BAH I saw those roll things and didnt know what to do with them! – Mallory Dec 5 2011 at 19:00
My hubby calls them Pseudo Echo rolls (that was an 80's band). They would never pass for "real" spring rolls, but you just twirl them in luke warm water for like 30 seconds and they soften up. Put whatever filling in them. I fry them in a pan, though I suppose deep frying would be nice too. – Evelyn aka CarbSane Dec 6 2011 at 2:35
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No I don't eat rice.

I don't see any problems eating rice, though. Hate to be cliche, but can a million Chinese peoplebe wrong

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This. I think it's fine if you like it but it does nothing for me. Actually, starch in general does nothing; I prefer mostly non-starchy veggies. – Nance Dec 4 2011 at 2:38
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A million could be, but there's a billion of them. – AndyM Dec 5 2011 at 14:15
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I'm Asian, its rhetorical =P (death to brown rice!)

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I eat white rice with a lot of butter and it does not spike my blood sugar. Without butter it does, however. Same goes for sweet potatoes.

edit: Just found this for sweet potatoes :

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jnume/2011/584832/

Samples prepared by boiling had the lowest GI (41–50), while those processed by baking (82–94) and roasting (79–93) had the highest GI values.

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Anyway, it's better with butter! – henny Dec 4 2011 at 2:07
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I don't eat rice unless I'm going out for sushi (about once a month), but I don't see any major problem with it. I avoid it because my goal right now is to lose weight and I do much better if I stay away from grains entirely--probably because I am far more likely to overeat rice than the rich meaty curries I would be putting on top of it.

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The problem with sushi rice is that it's full of sugar -- that's why it's so sticky. If you just get a bowl of rice though, no sugar! – Toni Dec 4 2011 at 3:47
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Do you mean sugar is added to sushi rice? The shorter grain rice have more amylopectin so higher GI, more starchier so stick together. – Sue Dec 4 2011 at 8:32
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I learned to make sticky rice by soaking short grain white rice half an hour (or more) before cooking to make it "sticky"... I've never added sugar to mine. (Although I don't really eat rice anymore.) – SuZQ Dec 4 2011 at 15:18
I don't add any to mine at home either, but I know some is usually added in restaurants. You are incorrect that the sugar is what makes it sticky, Toni. The sugar and vinegar are added as flavorings. The type of rice used is very starchy and gelatinous, so even if you add no sugar it is still sticky. Regardless, all of the recipes I've ever seen for sushi rice only call for about 1-2 T. of sugar for 6+ cups of cooked rice. At the high end that would come about to about 1/2 t. of sugar per entire sushi roll--and that would be for a fairly large roll. "Full of sugar" is quite the overstatement. – Kewpie Dec 4 2011 at 17:33
Or you could order sashimi and avoid the rice. That's what I do. – raydawg Dec 4 2011 at 18:11
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I don't eat white rice, but I do include it in my three-year-old twins' diet. I am slowly transitioning them to either a Paleo Diet or at least a whole foods diet with limited grain and legume (not sure yet where we'll land). I make the distinction between them and myself based on our need for carbs. I am still trying to lose the last ten pounds of pregnancy weight and have had a history of hypoglycemia, so I definitely don't need to eat rice (although I don't think a bite here or there is a problem). I believe young children have a much higher need for carb energy than most adults, however, and mine are extremely active with lots of outdoor play and very little screen time. I'm also a single mother and a PhD student, so money is tight. Rice and potatoes are cheap and filling along with a good slab of fatty meat and a few healthy veggies.

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Definitely leave it in the kid's diet. – Sue Dec 4 2011 at 8:33
Agreed. Suspect the best thing for the kids is to minimize wheat, veggie oils, and added sugar. – Beth-WeightMaven Dec 4 2011 at 19:16
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I find white rice delicious, plain. My food reward pathway must be wired really low -- the stuff tastes rich and nutty to me. Mmm. :)

That said, I don't eat it often because it puts weight on me, and it also stimulates my appetite. Whenever I add it regularly I have to fight constant hungries and urges to do the kitchen crawl.

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Kitchen crawl- love it! – henny Dec 5 2011 at 0:45
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Hi! I added rice AND potatoes back after I lost the weight I wanted to loose, it hasn't caused any issues. If your in weight loss mode, it may hinder your weight loss results.

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I have added white rice a few times a week and have actually broken through a plateau. My favorite is CalRose brand. I boil 4 quarts of salted water in a 6-qt. pot. Then I add 1 1/2 cups rice slowly to keep water boiling, Let it boil rapidly for 15 min. uncovered, then drain through sieve. It is fluffy with well separated grains, slightly firm to bite.

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Rice is not a staple in my diet, but I do eat it on occasion. It's not nutritionally dense like other foods, but hardly deleterious to one's health in moderate amounts. It's not for everybody; obviously VLC paleo won't eat it, nor will the paleo folks with a fetish for maximizing nutrients per bite.

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i was hoping to maybe try adding it back in with PWO meals or something...i might try a more moderate fat/protein/carb diet but cant eat 103543 potatoes but i can eat some rice with meat veggies and butter and be satisfied for hours. – Hoover Dec 4 2011 at 1:17
Can you really eat 103542 potatoes? :P Paleo is less about eating X, Y and not Z, but figuring out what works for you. – Matt Dec 4 2011 at 1:22
haha maybe 103542 tiny potatoes....but thats besides the point. im just trying to find what works! – Hoover Dec 4 2011 at 1:25
PWO is pretty much the only reason I'm considering re-introducing rice to my diet. Having hard time meeting the training day carb requirements of LeanGains diet otherwise. – Wisper Dec 4 2011 at 20:53
I think it's pretty easy to still get carried away with carbs with PWO. Fair enough if you're trying a plan, but most plans I think give you more than you need. – AndyM Dec 5 2011 at 14:22
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Reading PHD was very inspiring and I delighted in the novelty of white rice and potatoes—I made Jaminet's gnocchi which is very good, esp. made with sweet potatoes. trouble was, it didn't sit too well at first. Bloating, hunger, esp. when paired with protein... Now I'm okay with a quarter cup of organic sweet white rice, once a week, served with pan-fried salmon, topped with rice vinegar and kelp flakes. it feels very satisfying, as long as the portion is small, and it doesn't give me any problems. This is after being Primal for 5 months.

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I think rice is fine if your body is fine with it. Unfortunately mine is not. It makes my blood sugar all crazy. I have a stronger reaction to rice than just about any food there is. A stupid Snickers bar doesn't put me into a coma the way rice does. I will indulge in a few pieces of sushi every now and then but otherwise it's a no go for me.

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I've never tested my blood sugar, but I wonder if that's why rice makes me so darn hungry? – January Dec 4 2011 at 4:23
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from one of the comments above, maybe you could try adding butter to it and it wouldn't have this effect? – gydle Dec 4 2011 at 13:31
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I prefer white potatoes but I eat white rice everynow and then.

Fatty meat plus a starch. Satisfies completely.

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I eat "Texmanti" white rice several times a week following Perfect Health Diet. Without starches I was uncomfortably constipated most of the time. I also eat potatoes, sweet and white. I used to eat tons of salads, but have cut the greenry waay back. I ususally have some spinach available and a little lettuce. I eat a lot of butter, cream and meat of all colors. My systems are all "go" now.

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I eat a bit of white basmati rice, never more than 1/8 cup at a time, maybe around once a week or less. I find Jaminet's arguments unconvincing and inconsistent with my own experience. However, I do share with others my discovery that white rice is better for me than brown.

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Since I'm still trying to lean out, I've eaten no rice at all. However, this is disturbing:

RNA From Rice Can Survive Digestion and Alter Gene Expression

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Yes, but I think Melissa from Hunt-Gather-Love was spot on in suggesting that rice is not alone in this (paleohacks.com/questions/66607/…). When the only concern I have left with diet is rice miRNA I'll be a happy camper! – Beth-WeightMaven Dec 4 2011 at 19:20
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Its not the only one that has miRNA, but it looks like it's miRNAs are the most active ones. – majkinetor Dec 5 2011 at 13:08
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I read PHD last January, and it really spoke to me. Prior to that I had been first low carb, then Paleo, and had reaped numerous health benefits. But on PHD I feel great. I was never a big rice fan, but it has become my go to safe starch. I prefer basmati types, although I accidently bought a 20 pound bag of what turned out to be sushi rice at the asian market, and we ate that too.

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The hubby and I like variety in our safe starches so we do eat rice. It varies from about half cup cooked per day up to 2 times a day (per person) to some weeks with no rice but we do other starches such as:

1) plantains

2) sweet potatoes

3) potatoes

4) bananas (max 2 a day, usually 1)

We like to vary our rice - basmati, jasmine, wild rice, arborio though we end up having mostly some variety of white rice.

We add lots of butter or ghee to our rice when we eat it!

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I used to love basmati, been staying away from it for about nine months now, but now I'm thinking about partaking again. I still got a cupboardful.

Hey, but it's been so long, I forget what proportion of rice to water! HELP!

What's the rice/water ratio?

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I always had twice as much water as rice, if that helps. – AndyM Dec 5 2011 at 14:18
I think it depends on the rice. Short rice when I make something like Korean food I used 1.5 cups water to 1 cup rice. Long grain rice is drier, so the 1:1 is fine. – Laina Jan 19 2012 at 19:59
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What I enjoyed about rice was being able to dig through vast mounds of it. At the moment I simply don't see any need to eat rice, though if I'd probably not be too concerned if I happened to find myself in a situation where it was the main energy source available.

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