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What are your thoughts on high-fat dairy products? I'm currently eating a lot of Greek yogurt (almost daily) as well as occasional milk and cheese; should I eliminate these things from my diet temporarily, then reincorporate them to test my tolerance?

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what are your goals? better over all health? weight loss? healing of some sort? – sage_ Dec 5 2011 at 17:30
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Dairy is Primal, not Paleo. – Nemesis Dec 5 2011 at 18:01

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If, and only if, you are having unexplained digestive or chronic sinus/joint, etc., issues would you need to test the dairy foods you're eating. And if you are feeling terrific, with lots of energy, it still wouldn't hurt anything to check it out but you'd think of it as a fun experiment.

I used to have a lot of trouble with dairy. It would cause trouble by not tasting good and then causing an upset stomach, etc. But recently I started making/drinking water kefir and--lo and behold--now I happily chow down on a cup of yogurt every morning.

It's clear to me that I didn't have the right gut flora to handle dairy and now I do, presumably thanks to the kefir.

So, in addition to testing your tolerance, you might consider eating/drinking probiotics if you aren't already.

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Hey Nance, how do you make water kefir? I have heard of coconut water kefir, but I have seen water kefir mentioned here and there and am very curious! – Jackie Dec 5 2011 at 18:20
It's incredibly simple, BUT you need to be comfortable with having to work-with/refresh your brewing process every morning. In a nutshell, you have to make a new feeding solution for your culture, you need to strain yesterday's brew, mix in whatever flavoring you want (usually juice and the sugar will be consumed) and bottle the new mixture for a second fermentation. Here's a link I like: youtube.com/watch?v=p-t9C7PoBRc and a nice set of basic instructions: starfire-studio.com/kefirbycarys.pdf – Nance Dec 5 2011 at 18:40
My kitchen is pretty warm as I live in southern NV. If you have a cooler kitchen, each fermentation can take 1-2 days but my 1st is 14-24 hrs and the second is only about 10 hours then it goes in the fridge. – Nance Dec 5 2011 at 18:42
Great, that's what I thought. Thanks Nance. – Cynthia Dec 5 2011 at 20:10
Thanks for the links Nance- it looks like something I'd like to try. – henny Dec 6 2011 at 3:00
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I personally like high-fat dairy in my diet. Because of my celiac disease, I was supplementing probiotics to try to heal, when in fact I could get the same cultures from Greek yogurt. So I think it's worth considering including something if it has things in it that you need for optimum health.

Dairy is not strictly paleo (more "primal"), but as I see it, if our ancestors would have eaten beef of some kind of bovine creature, or eaten goat, they may have had dairy. The full fat Greek yogurt is a good source of fat, a moderate source of proteins, and in general makes some people feel good. i find I get a lot of energy, and it is good for a lighter meal earlier in the day.

All of that said, I found that cutting out other dairy products was also helpful. Milk practically gone, and cheeses I eat only on occasion. I've also found some brands of yogurt give me really bad abdominal pain, so I avoid it. You need to do what works for you. If eliminating all dairy works, then great. Do what you need to for a healthy gut, whether or not that includes dairy-based probiotics.

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I think many of us here eat dairy. If you have no digestive issues with dairy then it should be ok to eat. Dairy is very nutritious.

Fellow member Dr Cate wrote this piece on dairy:

http://drcate.com/is-dairy-paleo-revising-history-with-new-persectives-on-flocks-of-goats-femur-bones-and-feckless-nutritionism/

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Great article! Thanks for the link! – Dragonfly Feb 12 2012 at 17:01

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