Paleo Diet and Paleolithic Diet Questions & Answers

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I was reading Beyond Paleo: moving from a “paleo diet” to a “paleo template” by Chris Kresser this morning which is rather a good article. Ironically I was chomping on a slice of Panettone which just happened to be in my hand at the time. As I began to ponder the evils of gluten I realised (and checked) that Panettone is in fact made from a process similar to sourdough which apparently breaks down the gluten.

Don’t eat toxins: avoid industrial seed oils, improperly prepared cereal grains and legumes and excess sugar (especially fructose). -- Chris Kresser

So just wondering your thoughts on sourdough, prepared cereal grains, and whether one could perhaps be a Panettoneleo on the odd occasion?

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Panettone is made during a long process that involves the curing of the dough, which is acidic, similar to sourdough. The proofing process alone takes several days, giving the cake its distinctive fluffy characteristics. It contains candied orange, citron, and lemon zest, as well as raisins, which are added dry and not soaked. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panettone

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asked Dec 9 2011 at 13:06

AlohaSpeck
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Buon Natale a tutti! – AlohaSpeck Dec 9 2011 at 14:32

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Mmm... Panettone bread pudding... I think Weston A. Price would approve of that at least (grass fed butter, raw milk, pastured eggs, etc.) – Gazelle Dec 9 2011 at 15:10

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Naughty, naughty paleo! You will go to hell in a WAPF handbasket. OMG - I want some od that bread pudding NOW! I think this is just fine as long as you BEAT YOURSELF WITH A STICK afterwards. The least you can do is make this from scratch - that might be punishment enough. (If you made the cake from scratch - and it turned out good - would you have the guts to turn it into the aforementioned bread pudding?) – Dave S. Dec 11 2011 at 11:39

Nance · Answer 1 · 2011-12-09 16:43:27Z UTC

Since I've been thriving on water kefir, when I read that some people can handle properly fermented sourdough I just had to try.

I used the water kefir to make sourdough starter, gradually created what is called the sponge (soupy intermediate dough) and finally a dough. I then stored the dough in the fridge to obtain the recommended very slow fermentation.

I produced a beautiful, tasty loaf of sourdough that my grandson liked but for me it was a major FAIL. My face glowed Rudolph red, my hands and feet swelled and my BP did a rocket burst.

So, my answer to your question is Yes, this lifestyle can be flexible and individualized but your body will decide how far you can go. Where wheat is concerned, I am definitely on a short leash!

heavyarms · Answer 2 · 2011-12-09 13:58:03Z UTC

As a lifestyle choice rather than a "diet", there is supposed to be lots of personal leeway. The fact is yes; ideally you should stick always to paleo-approved foods (although what falls under this umbrella largely depends on who you ask).

Even DeVany advocates using the 80/20 rule (as in 80% paleo, 20% your choice), and gradually sliding up to a point that is manageable for you

If adding pane-whatever makes-or-breaks it for you; then by all means stick it in. Sure, it may have some phytic acid, anti-nutrients, low-nutrient density, whatever; but if the rest of your food is paleo-freindy its really just a drop in the ocean.

Also - if you feel guilty about it, just make sure you eat it in your "workout window".

coprophagous · Answer 3 · 2011-12-09 19:01:23Z UTC

enjoy the wheat product if you can i say. i cant, so enjoy it for me. hopefully you will die befor you get arthritis. i didnt. in fact i have had rheumatoid arthritis for 30 + years. until one day by accident, i googled how to cure it. as expected i was one of the 80 percent that are cured with a strict paleo diet.

Beth-WeightMaven · Answer 4 · 2011-12-09 13:15:52Z UTC

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Many people have issues with grains in general and wheat in particular. They may have auto-immune concerns or other gut issues or they may just think it's better to avoid the anti-nutrients in wheat period.

If you're not one of those folks, then enjoy your Panettoneleo on the odd occasion!

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At least Panettone has a pretty high egg content to 'dilute' the flour. – henny Dec 9 2011 at 14:26

Can the Paleo template be a flexible and individualized approach to Paleo with sourdough, candied orange, citron, and lemon zest, as well as raisins?

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