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So Ive dropped my carbs to below 20, count every single calorie, every single crumb that enters my mouth and make sure that it is within my caloric deficit needs, I eat healthy fats and moderate proteins. and I am still storing tons of body fat. Visibly gaining inches, measured body fat increase, and visible fat and dimpled skin that I never had.

I don't eat fruit, nuts, or ANYTHING processed or outside of completely perfect Paleo. What is happening?

Is it possible that my body just doesn't like Paleo ? What can i do to stop this fat gain?

I have tried every single thing that Paleo Hackers have suggested, ketosis, lean meats and tubers on and on and on...what can i do? I am desperate...

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let's see a couple of days worth of you food log with cal count please – sage_ Dec 17 2011 at 22:30
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I agree with sage, you need to be more specific about your meal plan, workouts/activity level, any underlying conditions you have, stress levels, etc. And exactly to what extent is your calorie restriction? – April S. Dec 17 2011 at 22:47
Typical day = break - omelette, tsp coconut oil, garlic,onion, turkey or chicken in omelette, or left over meat from night before. coffee black(sometimes coconut milk) approx 300 -400 cals Lunch - Chicken, Steak or Salmon with spinach or some salad. Dinner - Same as Lunch.If I am having really bad cravings, ill have some cocoa powder mixed with coconut milk or some 100% no sugar chocolate ( a little bit) but rarely.This usually totals between 1350-1500 Cals. I am 5'9" 140lbs, female, I used to be 23% body fat but my scale is now reading 29% and it is definitely visible. – Paleo4ever Dec 17 2011 at 22:50
Workouts- are 3 times a week - balance of weight training, cardio and HIIT. – Paleo4ever Dec 17 2011 at 22:51
I have tried upping my calories to 1500 plus, gained weight immediately – Paleo4ever Dec 17 2011 at 22:51
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Your BMI is under 21, which is low-normal. I'm taking a presumptuous guess that you have a history of restricting calories and maybe disordered eating? I could be totally off-base, and I apologize if I am, but I've seen several times a (typically) woman change to a low carb diet in the hopes that they could stop the painful restriction, and they immediately start to gain weight. My theory in these cases is that they are starting to rebuild lean mass that had been compromised. Since this happens faster than fat loss, it causes a net expanse of size, too. Very few people who are already very intolerant of weight changes stick it out to see what happens next. If this does not fit your case, then forgive and ignore the above.

As to the fat percent, I would say that it is a reflection of a lower water retention. When on a low carb diet, which is a diuretic, you store less water, and that is known to effect the accuracy of those impedance scales. [Edit: That is, dehydration will increase the reading.]

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A very insightful answer, Ambimorph. Thanks. – Nance Dec 18 2011 at 0:56
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Thanks, Nance. I hate bringing it up because it is touchy and personal, I don't even know this person, and my interpretation is just a guess. But I've seen it repeatedly, and it could be important, so I'm erring on the side of offense. – Ambimorph Dec 18 2011 at 1:09
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Here's some good news: ajcn.org/content/90/5/1132.long says that people who recovered from anorexia had a fat body composition at first, but by the time a year passed it had normalized. – Ambimorph Dec 18 2011 at 20:31
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Ambimorph, that is exactly what occurred with a friend of mine. She gained a good deal during recovery, then normalized, and has remained normal for the last thirty years. Thanks for the link! :) – PaleoGran Dec 18 2011 at 21:58
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Paleo4ever, during the first year or two of recovery, she got pudgy, and then gradually became slim, with regular, healthy eating habits. She has had healthy eating habits and stayed slim for the last 30+ years. – PaleoGran Dec 21 2011 at 15:52
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Hey, add some carbs! Im serious. You seem to be stressing over this a little to much. An apple or some berries wont pack on a pound of fat! Im sorry to be so upset about this but I cant stand when I see people think that carbs are the enemy. Sure you can eat to much carbs but you can also eat to little! EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT and the paleo diet is not a exact diet, it is a base for which you build YOUR optimal diet. What you eat depends on your current body type, your background, health issues and what your goals are. Just because some people eat low carb and it works does not mean it will work for you. As long as your diet is CLEAN there are much more important factors then you macro nutrient ratios such as sleep, stress state, when you eat... etc. Check out perfect health diet and jackkruse.com for different variations. Please do not get stuck on low carb because it does not work. Ive experimented with pretty much everything and that is what you need to do to find success. Find what yours for you and stick with it until it doesnt then try something new.

Sorry for the rant but that is my 2 cents.

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I don't think you ranted; what you said makes great sense. – Nance Dec 17 2011 at 23:33
Definitely appropriate, not harshly taken at all :) I'll try upping. Im religiously reading everything Dr Kruse lately...so ill keep going. thanks – Paleo4ever Dec 18 2011 at 22:46
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If you are 5'9" and 140, your BMI is around 20 ... which is certainly in the right range. So if you are visibly fat, what that says to me is that you need to stop worrying so much about the number on the scale and start concentrating on increasing lean body mass. That is what will drop your body fat percentage, and over time, will also help you drop excess body fat.

Check out this SuppVersity post, especially the section on Stanley Smith. Oh, and check out the Strong is the New Skinny blog for inspiration!

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awesome point- add muscle, gain strength which will speed up your metabolism and get rid of whatever it is you think it wrong, even though i think youre shooting yourself in the foot worrying so much – Mallory Dec 18 2011 at 1:29
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stress over scales ~ cortisol = weight gain – DudleyP Dec 18 2011 at 10:05
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The only thing that any of us can really be sure about is that we are not equipped to consciously judge our calorie needs. Counting calories is great and all, but if you have the wrong target it can only end badly. Relax, have a big satisfying meal sometimes, eat the next one when you're hungry. If you're really storing fat then there's something amiss in your calculations, and as pointed out there's any number of things that could be. So let your body sort it out for you.

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We always start by asking what kind and how much protein/fat you're eating, as well as any stress/fatigue issues you may have.

If I go low-fat, I have to stay at or under 1200 calories per day. On high-fat high-protein moderate-carbs I don't measure anything and my appetite naturally allows a one-pound weight loss every week or two.

Protein has to drive the whole thing--protein shuts down the appetite, the fat just makes the protein taste good and go down easy, and 60-80g of carbs per day slows the weight loss but doesn't stop it. You don't need to eat fat for it's own sake, just to balance the protein (for me, about 2 grams of fat for each gram of protein including the fat I use with some of the carbs.)

That's the kind of info we need from you.

EDIT: I know the fat gain is troubling; is this measuring tape or scale measurement? Many of us distrust scales because weight fluctuates so much for reasons having nothing to do with diet. Have you tried intermittent fasting at all? Or eating different amounts of carbs from day to day? Eating carbs only in the evening? Those are all things that work for some people.

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I track everything with Mynetdiary - usually ratios are around 60% fat (from coconut oil, or meat fats attached to the meat) 30% protein -10% carbs. I am eating between 1350-1500 cals per day. Anymore an I gain. This is measured via clothing fitting, and VERY visible fat gain, my legs have a substantial amount of fat that was NOT there before. I do focus on protein, and never dump on the fat. Nance, why id you go low fat do you have to eat 1200 cals? cause of the carbs? – Paleo4ever Dec 17 2011 at 22:57
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Yes, I need moderate carbs to thrive but they definitely seem to drive any weight gain. I definitely don't go low-fat now, because I suffered health consequences and that was before I adopted ancestral eating. I try to follow the "1g of protein for each kg of lean mass" advice but it isn't precise; some days I match the mass I probably have now and others I match the lean mass I'd like to have. Are you doing something like that? – Nance Dec 17 2011 at 23:21
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Based on an online calculator my "ideal" lean body mass would be about 96 pounds with a total weight of around 120-130. I'm currently a lot higher than that on all numbers so I frequently eat between the two. – Nance Dec 17 2011 at 23:25
@Nance: So you trust a javascript based calculator more than your own judgement as far as your "ideal" body mass is concerned? – Adel Dec 23 2011 at 7:13
@Adel Nope, but I'm not close enough to ideal mass at the moment to worry about it. The mirror will tell me when I'm there and what I eat will align itself since it will have gotten me there, right? (I just used the calculator as a method for making a point.) – Nance Dec 23 2011 at 15:36
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aside from the important statements that

a) chances are that your are eating not enough, and

b) defining "not enough" by counting calories let alone using calculators, will get you no-where but into eating disorders

i have two additional things to add

1) throw away your body fat scale. The figures it is showing you tell you nothing, follow Beth's advice and read my blogpost on how to lose weight healthily and take to the heart what I am writing about using a mearusing tape instead of a scale to measure your progress.

2) reintroduce reasonable amounts of carbs to your diet (for a rational on what is reasonable read this blogpost of mine > http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2011/06/carbohydrate-shortage-in-paleo-land.html - for you, I would start with ~80g NOT from GRAINS, but rather from fruit and higher carb veggies like carrots etc.; if you are working out at least 3x a week go to 100-120g of carbs (and if you /for whatever ideological resaon/ insist on being hardcore paleo, have part of those from tubers)

3) if you insist on going even low(er)-carb (which I have found works mostly only as long as you are pretty chubby, which you are not / don't trust the scale) then PLEASE do me a favor and understand that LOW CARB MEANS HIGH FAT and what you are eating is almost only protein. The result is that your cortisol skyrockets and your liver spills out TONS OF GLYCOGEN it is making from the proteins you ingest so that you do not starve, because you do not give your body enough energy in the forms of FATs or CARBs.

kind regards

Adel aka Dr. Andro

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wow thank you. i really didn't realize that. – Paleo4ever Dec 18 2011 at 18:34
Oh- I really agree with this response from personal experience. People on this site are generally paleo, but some of us are more of the primal camp. Mark Sisson has some great support on his site for these concerns that you are having. Personally- I eat alot of food (I don't even want to know the calories) I also use a weekly IF and a monthly carb refeed. Good Luck! – Anna Dec 18 2011 at 19:09
Dr. Andro, I will do just that up my carbs, and I will stick to moderate protein and moderate fat. Perhaps aiming for a 40/30/30 Fat/Carb/Pro ratio? – Paleo4ever Dec 18 2011 at 23:00
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sorry, for not answering before. I did somehow lose my password ;) Personally, I would suggest you do this, Paleo4Ever: 1. Don't stress yourself so much about either the macros or the total calories 2. Have 3 healthy and SATISTFYING meals a day 3. Make sure you have 25+g of high quality (=animal or dairy) protein in EVERY meal 4. Do not count carbs from (low starch) veggies 5. Aim for ~100-150g of carbs from high starch veggies, fruit, dairy, potatoes, rice, whatever you can tolerate 6. Have at least 20g+ of fat with every meal. If its not in the foods, already add coconut or olive oil. – Adel Dec 23 2011 at 7:06
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How's your sleep? -if youre not getting AT LEAST 8 hours a night, you won't see fat loss. Period.

Are you working out? -If not, what do you expect?

If you are, are you overtraining? -This is probably worse than not training at all.

STOP COUNTING -this could cause you to chronically diet and damage your metabolism

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First statement: untrue, simpy based on personal experiences. – Mick Jagger Dec 18 2011 at 9:41
+1 for being Mick Jagger – DudleyP Dec 18 2011 at 10:08
Yea I guess me and Robb Wolf are both wrong for believing that... – sean Dec 20 2011 at 2:17
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I'm gonna go against the paleo grain here and say you're not eating enough calories. Admittedly, I have a history as a chronic calorie-counter so I'm a little biased, but based on my own experiences and anecdotes I've heard from others, particularly those with a high activity level such as yours, I know that sometimes eating too few calories can stall weight loss. A temporary increase in calories can help to kick-start things again. (Don't ask me about the mechanism behind this because I'm not even sure there is one!)

That said, I think you're at a fantastic weight (:

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It's not anti-paleo to say you need to eat enough. – AndyM Dec 18 2011 at 10:46
I was referring to the general consensus throughout most of the paleo community that calories don't matter much! – Mick Jagger Dec 18 2011 at 11:46
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I don't think that's really a paleo community consensus. – Beth-WeightMaven Dec 18 2011 at 13:04
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It's about counting calories. Separating cause from effect. Of course calories matter, but the consensus, such as it is, is that you can't control them directly. – AndyM Dec 18 2011 at 15:51
@AndyM, that's precisely what I meant. I admit I should probably learn more before claiming a certain viewpoint is 'paleo consensus'. But I'm new here. Gimme a break for now :p – Mick Jagger Dec 19 2011 at 2:33
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Beyond making sure you are eating at LEAST your daily caloric allowance, I would check to make sure your macronutrient ratios are in order.

Log a day or two of your calories (every bite that goes in your mouth) on fitday.com. It's free. Then check to make sure that protein is the HIGHEST % of calories going into your bod. That's the stuff that's going to help you lean out and build muscle. Next, look at carbs and fat. If your fat levels are through the roof, your body isn't going to be able to get rid of it's own fat very easily. Same goes for carbs. I try to keep those two percentages even with each other on the fitday chart, and try to score as high as I can with protein by eating lean cuts of meat, chicken, fish, etc.

Also, are you lifting? Lift! It's the best way to tone up and tell your body to let go of the squishy bits.

Get your beauty sleep.

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