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On my 2 lifting days I think tubers are great, but on off/light activity days I'm interested in staying out of Ketosis without them. Given that, I'm aiming for 50 % Carbs from Veg (Carrots,onion..) and 50 % Carbs from fruit. Do you guys think for ex. a large orange with Breakfast, Lunch, and Dinner is too much fruit? Is this plus some veg enough to stay out of ketosis? (not that theres anything wrong with Ketosis) - I'm 23 yr old male, with 10 % BF (I apologize if someone has asked/answered this already)

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What is your actual goal? Unless it truly is simply to somehow 'stay out of' ketosis, which seems rather esoteric. – AndyM Dec 20 2011 at 11:19

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How many tubers (carbs by gram) do you have on your lifting days?

I currently lift 3x a week and eat about 150g of carbs, mostly from tubers on those days, and about 30 - 50g on non lifting days, and I don't enter ketosis, at least not in any manner to show up on a ketostix.

And no, I don't think that's too much fruit.

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Probably 150-220g PWO twice a week. Possibly a fast metabolism has me feeling pretty low carb fluish on off days? – Chris J. Dec 20 2011 at 4:49
I think if you had another carb re-feed of that quantity during the week you'd probably struggle to get into ketosis anyway, just depending on how active you are on non lifting days. You could always get some ketostix and experiment with what works to keep you out/in. – Rhubarb Dec 20 2011 at 5:15
Remember lifting weights will release ketones - you really need to test first up in the morning. As its takes a few days to swap over I very much doubt that you are going in and out of ketosis day by day – Vivalapaleo Dec 20 2011 at 5:42
True, he'll be in ketosis to some extent constantly – AndyM Dec 20 2011 at 11:18
Ketonuria (ketones in the urine) is what a ketostick measures, It does not measure ketosis. You can have plenty of ketosis going on with no signs of ketonuria. Typically, as you adapt to ketosis, less and less ketones will spill into your urine. – Dave S. Dec 20 2011 at 11:31
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100g of carbs will keep you out of ketosis for the most part. Fruit would be slightly more helpful in this regard, but I don't think you should worry about the differences as they are miniscule.

And no, that's not too much fruit.

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If you're 10% bodyfat I wouldn't recommend staying on the brink of ketosis, but like always it depends on goals. – conciliator Dec 20 2011 at 3:38
Long Term Goals are to lean out maybe another % or two. But more importantly I feel quicker and less sluggish without the tubers and my teeth and skin are cleaner. Is there a down side to being on the brink of ketosis? – Chris J. Dec 20 2011 at 4:47
As you are lean, you will have relatively good insulin sensitivity. Carbs tend to be good for sports performance/maintaining muscle mass. Having liver glycogen also sets an anabolic 'tone' through the body, being in ketosis sets a catabolic tone via the liver. If you feel less sluggish without tubers, then by all means skip them. Fruit will do the trick. I just think if you don't actively dislike fruit/carbs, it is to your benefit to eat them (in moderation). – conciliator Dec 20 2011 at 8:21
50 grams CHO per day seems to be the dividing line for most people. This separates nearly continuous ketosis from the occaisional dip into ketosis between meals or overnight. Some people need to go quite a bit lower to sustain ketosis, as we are all unique snowflakes (just like everybody else). You would have to be one heck of an outlier to sustain ketosis at 100 grams of CHO per day, so conciliator is correct. You would probably dip into it overnight, however - or going a long time between meals. That's normal and expected. – Dave S. Dec 20 2011 at 11:27
Hi Conciliator, how much do you think is beyond moderation? I was contemplating trying 1 whole pineapple spread across my 3 meals (meat+veg,etc.). Possible Fructose overload or Tooth rot? – Chris J. Dec 20 2011 at 18:31
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