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I would like to know if anyone knows precisely how much of the IGF-1 raising components remain in dairy prodcuts after fermentation. Melissa McEwen had a blog post some time ago stating that it is reduced in do far as it isn“t related to acne. Elsewhere I have found the information that is reduced by 40%, or another oiece of information is that only 25% remain. Is this still relevant in absolute numbers? Is there still a significant raise of IGF-1 in the body after eating a cup of yoghurt? Thank you very much!

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You could have made a Melissa McEwen tag. Now that would have been awesome! – Dave S. Dec 20 2011 at 11:20
I added one Dave :) – Evelyn aka CarbSane Dec 20 2011 at 12:58
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If oral insulin is destroyed by digestion, why wouldn't IGF-1 as well? – conciliator Dec 21 2011 at 17:42
was that really me? I don't remember it. Maybe it was Chris Masterjohn? – Bread-Eating Beelzebub Dec 21 2011 at 17:52
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Fermented dairy still gives me acne. – ROB Dec 22 2011 at 1:17

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Even if one could determine how much if at all the IGF-1 rise is in an individual's body after eating a cup of yoghurt or any other dairy -- what would that prove? I think there is great variability in susceptibility/vulnerability to IGF-1 just as there is variability in susceptibiilty/vulnerability to hormones in general. In other words, even if you could determine with precision how much IGF-1 increased in a particular person after eating dairy, the increase could be beneficial (muscle growth) or detrimental (tumor growth) or just a wash (no apparant effect other than a lab value) depending upon the context.

Dairy, whether butter, cream, cheese or yoghurt isn't paleo -- but if you tolerate dairy and like yoghurt, buy the highest quality full-fat variety you can find and enjoy. So many cultures (pun intended) thrive on yoghurt, so I wouldn't worry about a transient IGF-1 rise. Just buy unsweetened, full-fat, organic -- grass-fed if possible and enjoy. Unpasteurized can be difficult to source and not worth raising your cortisol over worrying about it. Great if you can find it but if not, I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

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all dairy is not created the same.......most of the dairy in this country is processed and still spikes IGF-1 abnormally. If youre going to eat dairy try to make it raw if possible from pastured animals.

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Why would raw and/or pastured dairy make any difference to IGF-1? – Matt Dec 20 2011 at 12:54
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sources???????? – cliff Dec 20 2011 at 13:18
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raw dairy has no added bovine GH......im shocked this crew of bashers does not know this basic info. – The Quilt Dec 20 2011 at 15:33
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All milk starts out raw, even the milk from cows treated with bovine growth hormone. – Matt Dec 20 2011 at 16:27
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Also where I come from no dairy contains added bovine growth hormone. Context is critical. – Matt Dec 20 2011 at 16:27
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Who really KNOWS about IGF. Thats what I'd like to know. Where can I find out for instance: What becomes of it in the milk if it is cultured and combined say with flax oil as per Budwig cancer treatment and yet milk is IGF raising. I have not heard an answer yet and it would seem the most relevant point. It needs to relate to cancer in general, not just breast which is often mentioned in the context of IGF. If it does encourage an existing tumour to grow even a cell more then it rules out a whole range of dietary options. Lets assume best quality, whole milk untreated and cultured naturally as a starting point.

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