When food is the conversation subject, that conversation usually turns into a discussion (basically everyone against me) that often ends in personal attacks. I totally gave up discussing with my father, but a discussion with my brother started today ...
I asked him what LDL was (he studies medicine). After a while he said "fat is bad. fat makes you fat, gives you heart disease, worsens your cholesterol, ...". So I asked him how the Atkins diet works. From then on, the discussion got ridiculous : he even said I believe in "conspiracy theories" found on the internet that are just totally crazy, and became almost aggressive when I told him that "butter doesn't make you fat". His arguments didn't make sense, yet everybody agrees with my brother because "the doctor knows better", and because he studied the stuff.
I decided to stop discussing, and go my own way. But there is one thing I wanna know : a lot of people (Gary Taubes, Atkins, even Dr. Kruse) say they read the research from Nobel price winners and got their groundbreaking ideas from those guys. If that's so, what research is that exactly?
i get the impression that this crusade is more about being right than being healthy. Korion, do your cortisol levels a favour and let it go.
You realize that the more you argue with your family, the more they will dig in their heels and refuse to really listen. This is one of many threads here on PH involving arguments with your father. Many of us have recommended Taubes' book or many other books that have German translations for him. Clearly he hasn't read them. The best thing you can do is keep your head down and try not to draw attention to your diet while you still live at home. I have family members that believe my diet is EVIL. When I'm around them I try not to draw attention to my diet and if they bring it up, I change the subject. It's too emotional for them.
Instead of tracking down nutrition research you should read this -- Made-up minds -- which although about politics holds true for any similar scenario. A relevant snippet:
Our individual responses to the conclusions that science reaches, however, are quite another matter. Because researchers employ so much nuance and disclose so much uncertainty, scientific evidence is highly susceptible to selective reading. Giving ideologues or partisans scientific data that's relevant to their beliefs is like unleashing them in the motivated-reasoning equivalent of a candy store.
And it's not just that people twist or selectively read scientific evidence to support their pre-existing views. According to research by Yale Law School professor Dan Kahan and his colleagues, people's deep-seated views about morality, and about the way society should be ordered, strongly predict whom they consider to be a legitimate scientific expert in the first place — and thus where they consider "scientific consensus" to lie on contested issues.
So by all means, feel free to dig into the science if it will make you feel better about your position. But don't expect to change your family's minds. If I were you, I'd avoid these discussions the same way I avoid both politics and religion at home!
Show them don't tell them. If you say it it's an opinion, if they say it its a fact. Information is great but people are rarely sold on just the facts. Best advice is to go along your paleo way and get super healthy. The time will come when someone will stop and ask what your doing. At that point and only at that point can you help someone.
In this case it's not really about Paleo but rather a long standing sibling rivalry. Here's some advice from Og Mandino that might apply:
Believe By Og Mandino Why do so many people let their dreams die unlived? I suppose it is the negative, cynical attitudes of other people. These other people are not enemies; they are friends, even family members. Our enemies never bother us greatly; we can usually handle them with little trouble. But our friends, if they are nay-sayers, are constantly punching holes in our dreams with a cynical smile here, a put-down there, a constant stream of negative vibrations- our friends can kill us! A man gets excited about the possibility of a new job. He sees the opportunity to make more money, do more meaningful work, rise to a personal challenge; the old heart starts pounding, and the juices begin to flow, and he feels himself revving up for this stimulating new project. But then he tells his neighbor about it over the back fence one evening. He gets a smirk, a laugh that says, "You can't do that", a foot-long list of all the problems and obstacles and 50 reasons why he will never make it and is better off to stay where he is. Before He knows it, his enthusiasm falls down to near zero. He goes back into the house like a whipped pup with his tail dragging along the ground. All the fire and self -confidence is gone and he begins to second-guess himself. Now he is thinking of all the reasons that he can't make it instead of the reasons that he can. He lets one five-minute spiel of negativity of ridicule or just plain disbelief from a dream-nothing neighbor; take the steam right out of his engine. Friends like that can do more damage than a dozen enemies can. Of course, all of us have dreams of a better life in providing more of the good things for those we love and those who depend on us. The trouble is that most of us live in fear, fear that we might stumble and fall if we dare take a chance. Give it a chance to happen. Don't let your brother-in-law or your plumber or your husband's fishing buddy or the guy in the next office robs you of that faith in yourself that makes things happen. Don't let the guys, who lie on the couch and watch television every night, tell you how futile life is. If you have the flame of a dream down inside you somewhere, be thankful for it, and do something about it. And don't let anyone else blow it out. Once you select a goal that is really important to you and make a decision to pursue it, the next step is to make up your mind before you set out toward it. You know that is going to require lots of hard work and accept it. You making up your mind before you start that sacrifice is part of the package. Is this the real secret? Can it be that we all usually go into a new and challenging job or enterprise expecting things to work easily and smoothly instead of planning, up front, for the adversities that are certain to come? If I could wish for any person in the United States a single quality to secure for him success in life, I would not grant to him in massive intellect or a well-coordinated athletic body. I would not bless him with a physical attractiveness or talent. I would wish for him the ability and the will to persist toward whatever his goal!
If they didn't ask for the research, I wouldn't bother getting it for them. They aren't going to be swayed if they aren't even the tiniest bit open to what you are telling them. No amount of research you could dump on them will change that.
Your best bet would be to just continue doing what you know is best for your body. Over time, they may become more interested. But then again, they may not. That's ok. You can't force anyone else to change their mind--or their habits.
I would suggest steering clear of any diet-related conversations with them in the future. If they start one, change the subject. Asking them a (non-diet related) question about themselves will usually do the trick.
Simple: You just need a new family. Or move thousands of miles away. My best friend's boyfriend is a doctor, and he doesn't adhere to the low fat, low salt theory driving current nutrition studies.
I think the best way to learn that saturated fat is not the problem, is to check the results of clinical studies, or meta-analyses based on clinical trial data. The Hooper's meta-analysis is the best IMO: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD002137.pub2/full
Ramsden's meta-analysis (2010) is also nice one. Then there are Skeaff&Miller's meta-analysis and Mozaffarian's meta-analysis too. I think the Mozaffarian's paper is the most problematic and shouldn't really be recommended. Here's one criticism: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/03/leave-your-brain-at-door.html
Think how you discovered Paleo. Most of us probably were asking for the info, not being told it against our will. Best way to help people is by thriving and when they ask why you're thriving then point them to all the studies and research. Be the change you want to see in the world.
Or tell em Bacon is Good, Pork Chops are Good...and Sewer Rat might just taste like Pumpkin Pie
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