Paleo Diet and Paleolithic Diet Questions & Answers

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Mine's 30.5 and I feel like crap. For years/decades, I've tried soooo many things and not much makes a difference.

Every time I read about some vitamin or way of eating, I think I've found the holy grail and I'm gonna get out from under this chronic pain and unrelenting lethargy.

My cholesterol ratios are great, O 6/3 ratio is 4.1, and and I'm retired in a wonderful, low-stress environment.

Others like HS CRP, RT3 are higher than I certainly would like, so I've got a ways to go, but can I get some relief from increased D?

I hoping that getting my D up will do at least part of the trick.

Your experiences?

flag	asked Jan 2 2012 at 14:37 Martin 101●4

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There are SO much vitamins, minerals, chemicals that can help you out. The key is to avoid anti-nutrients by following a great paleo diet. Experiment with different foods and carb levels rather than with vitamins. – Bruno Jan 2 2012 at 14:50

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I've been Weston Price for 8 years, Paleo for a month. I used to believe that foods could do it for me, but after decades of sporatic vit/min usage(and ALWAYS custom-prescribed by testing), I am going downhill. So, time to throw the kitchen sink at it, with TONS of testing and research, of course. Also, no dairy, nightshade, eggs, snacking, wheat, and corn. Grass-fed pastured meats, organic vegs(half I grow myself), great spring water, cod liver oil, etc., what the hell is left?! – Martin Jan 2 2012 at 17:47

Dragonfly · Answer 1 · 2012-01-02 15:04:05Z UTC

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It took me about 3 months.

I started supplementing 12,000 IUs in Nov 2009 and by Jan had noticed that my SAD symptoms and my chronic eczema were gone.

I dropped down to 8,000 IUs (maintenance for me) and another 3 months and my asthma symptoms were gone.

I need to keep my level highish (just above 80 ng/ml) to keep my asthma at bay. Found this out when I dropped my supplementation down to 4,000 IUs after moving to Santa Fe, NM. Despite the increased sun exposure & decreased latitude, my darker, older (48 yr old) skin didn't produce enough.

Back up to 8,000 IUs and I feel great!

Make sure to supplement Magnesium (citrate, malate or glycinate) and get enough K & A from your diet.

answered Jan 2 2012 at 15:04

Dragonfly
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	Very interesting. Only two months to go for me! :-) I do mag citrate every night as my 2x yearly hair tissue analysis has shown me to be low for years. Serum levels for mag are not reliable and I'm glad I have a tissue one to look at. How much do you take - to tolerance? – Martin Jan 2 2012 at 17:55
	I take about 300 mg and get a bit more from chocolate. Trial & error to find out what works for me... – Dragonfly Jan 2 2012 at 19:40
	Also, you may need Zinc if you don't eat oysters, etc... And if the pain doesn't budge, try EFT (www.eftuniverse.com) Diet can help most things, but sometimes there is an underlying issue on the emotional level that needs addressing. – Dragonfly Jan 2 2012 at 19:43
	hi Dragonfly, when you were supping with 4,000 IU (& not feeling the benefit/effect compared with 8,000), did you find out what your serum level was? it would be interesting to know how low it dropped. – daz Jan 3 2012 at 3:00
	Zinc is covered, but the oysters are a great idea! I take 300 mg a night - and just got a big dose from some chocolate the wife pulled out of the hidden stash. Yum. She has also mentioned EFT. Maybe I should start listening to her more often. – Martin Jan 3 2012 at 12:50

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Firestorm · Answer 2 · 2012-01-02 15:18:57Z UTC

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I had significant improvement with increased Vitamin D levels. Right now, I'm supplementing at 16,000 IU a day -- we've got influenza going through the office, and I find that if I supplement sufficiently with D3, it skips my house -- so I bumped my to 2x my usual winter maintenance dose.

It took about 6 months before I had noticeable improvement from D3 supplementation, so hang in there -- eventually, it does help with things like chronic pain and it made a big difference for me in managing my MS and congenital autoimmune issues.

answered Jan 2 2012 at 15:18

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I guess I have to be patient. How come some folks take a pill and all of a sudden - they're cured! I NEVER had that even close. I'm adding borage oil for my peripheral Neuroapathy, etc., and feel like I've had an auto-immune issue for decades. What do you have, Firestorm? I'm thinking of upping my 10,000 IU daily D. I want it now. – Martin Jan 2 2012 at 17:51

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I have MS, am a 2x cancer survivor, and have a congenital autoimmune/genetic disorder called hyper-IgE syndrome (mild), where my body produces too much of some immune globulins, and either doesn't produce or produces too little of others. We live in a world that encourages "quick fixes", so it's hard to be patient -- but I try to remember that most "failures" in every area of life happen because someone quit right before they were about to have a breakthrough and find success -- so I try to hang in there just a little longer. – Firestorm Jan 2 2012 at 19:49

Cory151 · Answer 3 · 2012-01-02 22:38:19Z UTC

You may be able to lower your effective dosage of vitamin D by taking it with a high fat food Ive noticed an increase in my 25 hydroxy levels vs. last winter simply from ingestion with an Avocado every day (same 5,000iu) vs an empty stomach last year.

Here is research to support:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22190928

Bill1102inf · Answer 4 · 2012-01-02 23:43:58Z UTC

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Dr's prescribe up to 50,000IU/DAY. Perfectly healthy and safe.

Some Dr's prescribe up to 100,000IU/every 4 days for muscle fatigue and sometimes more.

All backed by clinical research results.

answered Jan 2 2012 at 23:43

Bill1102inf
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	Wow. I'm going to try upping doses today. I sometimes take 12k, but the higher dosages are encouraging. I'm also taking K2, so some research may be in order. – Martin Jan 3 2012 at 12:54
	Just something to be aware of. Usually when I see those 50k IU numbers, it's Vitamin D2, not D3. D2 is supposed to be substantially less bioavailable than D3. So if you take 50k of D3, it might/might not cause problems. – James Jan 3 2012 at 15:43

How long to benefit from getting Vit. D higher?

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