Which of these two best describes how you react to gluten exposure?
A) You are either "glutened" or "not-glutened." You notice the symptoms no matter how much you have eaten. B) You can eat small amounts of gluten with no symptoms. The poison is in the dose.
Elaborate if you care to.
A for sure but the poison is also in the dose. The only symptoms I feel are intestinal and the dose determines the duration of the pain. I'm done experimenting though some very helpful people have pointed out that my symptoms are psychosomatic. 'Course I've been hearing that I'm too emotional, too high strung, too sensitive for fifty years. Into my second gluten-free year, I'm not "too" anything anymore. Funny how that happened...
Like PaleoChimp said, I notice symptoms no matter how much I've eaten, but the larger the dose, the worse and longer acting the symptoms. Small doses (crumbs, etc) equate to diarrhea and sour stomach for several days, usually. A larger dose (a bite or more of a cookie or bread, a beer, etc.) leaves me vomiting repeatedly, to the point of just hurling up bile on a completely empty stomach, within 30 minutes of ingestion, and also with quite scary cognitive/mental/neurological side effects....I nearly completely lose the ability to speak and cannot think clearly at all, have poor coordination, and pretty much stay curled up on the floor, limp, as long as I am not actively vomiting. I also get a terrible headache. Sometimes ocular migraines persist intermittently for days, and of course I will have diarrhea and sour stomach for several days, too. I also break out all over my face. Needless to say, I no longer experiment. But I've learned that picking toppings off of pizza (with no visible crumbs attached) is enough to glutenize me, and I cannot drink liquors that have been distilled from gluten grains.
I suffer no ill reaction really. If I've been really good and totally abstained from it for a few weeks and then eat a huge pile of something glutenous, I might having a slight feeling of malaise the next day or two, but nothing significant.
I'm ok in small amounts, as was tested last night with a slice of homemade pumpkin pie:), but anything more than that and now I have some severe reactions.
So here's the deal. I like ramen. I LOVE ramen. I live in NY where we're lucky enough to have places that make their noodles in house, and when that bowl of deliciousness arrives and starts steaming my face? I melt. Since I went Paleo I've really gone strict as my Rosacea cleared up and I feel great. So.. no ramen until last month. A new joint opened within walking distance of my house and I know the owners/chefs so guaranteed to be good. I walked over. Sat. Ordered. Then proceeded to empty that bowl - I think it was dry when I left. So good I can barely tell you. That night I started to feel weird and for the next five days was in complete and utter agony. It literally hurt to sit. It was as if I had a horrible bone breaking disease, every bone, every joint, every part of me was in agony.
I went back last week and told my friends what happened so now its experiment time as they are willing to accomodate me. I had a nice steamy bowl but with a half order of noodles on the side. I had a thought that if I kept them separate then no starch would leach into the bowl and I could dip what I wanted. I ate less than 1/2 the 1/2 and had maybe an hour of body weirdness so I'm on the right path to finding a balance.
It definitely not something that I want to do on a daily basis, again I have done nothing but get even healthier since omitting gluten, but I fully admit that its nice to have a treat now and then that doesn't want to try and murder you.
I don't think its that black and white...or should I say there are plenty more shades of grey...?
I didn't grow up eating much wheat; I ate grains, but they were traditionally sprouted. I basically ate a traditional Russian diet, which, though carb-heavy, was, I suppose, alright for a growing kid. When I moved to the city I started eating processed food and WHEAT. Now all I remember was that although I'm definitely not an acute, highly sensitive celiac, I used to have a lot of digestion issues; stomach aches, gas, etc. All the time. I remember my tennis practice suffering, because running around with a hurting stomach is no fun at all; my teacher would put it down to me just being useless, and I was too scared to mention my stomach pain because I've always feared doctors/hospitals, and was afraid I'd be sent to one if I mentioned my discomfort.
These things all stopped abruptly when I dropped wheat. I transitioned to palo very slowly, and dropping gluten grains in particular was a first step.
Fast-forward now, I've been grain-free for a year. Last week, I had dinner at a friend's house who promised she'd let her mum - who was doing the cooking - know I was 'intolerant' to grains. However, something went wrong and flour ended up thickening the mushroom sauce of the ill-fated beefstroganoff. I spent the night immobilised with stomach pain, curled up in a fetal position. There was no question of it being psychosomatic since I didn't know of the presence of the...spawn of satan (lol at the tag, by the way!)...in the sauce. The next morning, my friend calls me, drowning me with apologies and asking if I was alright. Well, by then I was. I'm glad I survived that night without trying to obtain illegal morphine from someone.
That is just one story, mind you. All my gluten encounters since have ended in feeling like I'm being eviscerated.
So...here the issue isn't really the dose. But I used to eat wheat without really knowing it was messing up my stomach, so perhaps its a matter of exposure. The more you expose yourself to toxins and allergens, the less you notice the stress you're putting on yourself.
I mean, this is different, but do you acutely feel each car honk, each shove on a crowded street, as fight-or-flight stress? No, because we're just attuned to chronic, low-level stress. My thoughts are that its similar when it comes to stressors like gluten for non-celiacs. Everyone's gut is harmed by gluten to an extent; but some feel it more acutely than others. Primal eating undoubtedly sensitises you more to toxins.
Its part of being alive; it helps you avoid harmful substances.
Lots of Paleo Love!
I'm A-not-OK. I don't eat a lot of commercial foods, so if I eat gluten it's not a tiny amount. I don't do it any more because it hurts in my stomach, it hurts a lot in my intestines, it hurts like heck when it hits my bowel, and it hurts like h*&%( when I poop.
There is a stuffy nose, puffy eyes, hacking cough, GERD and bloating that goes with it. Healing takes a week or so after it's out and that's the symptoms I can feel.
Neither. I have no negative reaction to gluten whatsoever. I don't go out of my way to eat it in large amounts (aka seitan), but I make no attempt to avoid it either. I think that being highly active helps metabolize it, but it might also be successful adaptation to a standard European diet.
The dose always does make the poison, right? But in the case of gluten, dosage is miniscule to cause a reaction for me.
Reaction is fiery under the skin. This within 2-6 hours. Red bumps appear within a day. The itch is interminable. Total duration of rash can be 3 weeks (or more).
"Exposure" can be in the form of microquantities in restaurant meal or contamination of cooking surfaces (or the hot, dangerous mouth of a beer drinking temptress).
I don't know how I react, because I no longer have contact with gluten, knowingly.
Actually, that's not quite true. I have de-glutenized in my day to day life, but on some days I eat a bit of this or that, aware that it contains gluten.
No noticeable symptoms. I suspect if I ate a lot, my symptoms would be noticeable.
I'm an "A." If I eat anything with gluten, I get depressed and fatigued the next day, and my joints will ache. But I haven't eaten bread or pasta in so, so long that I don't even crave it anymore. Now I just see it for the poison that it is.
Also, after listening to a radio show (www.blogtalkradio.com/undergroundwellness) called Wheat Belly, I now realize that many people respond badly to modern wheat products because the chromosomes have been changed so much since the 60's that it's not even genetically recognizably wheat anymore. So it's extra not paleo!
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