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With IF fasting I simply can not eat enough to function well during the day. I hypothesis about it more on my blog. http://primallykosher.wordpress.com/2012/02/02/intermittnt-fasting-problem/

However will this cause problems in the long run?

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Is this a troll thread? How can you possibly not be able to enough calories in an 8 hour window? Are you running a marathon every day and need 10,000 calories or something? – Ratiocinative Feb 2 2012 at 16:57
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It's not that unusual for people to struggle with this. In fact some people struggle to eat well enough with a 24 hour window. Dismissing their concerns is about as helpful as force-feeding them. – PrimalDanny Feb 2 2012 at 18:19
I can eat enough for 2 days, ~4500 calories, in 20 minutes, then don't eat again for 48 hours. I refuse to believe that someone can't eat 2500 calories in 8 hours. That's like 1.5 lb of ground beef, just an appetizer. – Ratiocinative Feb 2 2012 at 19:05
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Ratiocinative, you are giving unhelpful advice based on your own apparently huge appetite. – Matt Feb 2 2012 at 19:45
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I wonder if there's a huge difference in stomach acid/gut flora between Ratiocinative and primallykosher, and this is the core issue of this discussion. – raydawg Feb 3 2012 at 11:00
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The fastest way to increase your metabolism while maintaining excellent function is to change the thermal coefficient of the environment you live and work out in. It has the greatest effect on REE. Sadly most people who calculate REE do not even know it. I use REE and this in my own regime and it is unbelievably effective for diabetes reversals.

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What is REE? And why is it important for metabolism? – primallykosher Feb 2 2012 at 18:36
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Did you mean temperature when you said thermal coefficient? – PrimalDanny Feb 2 2012 at 18:47
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resting_energy_expenditure – Korion Feb 2 2012 at 19:21
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IF once a month for 23 hours is a good idea. This is two meals. Maybe on a weekend or sometime where perfromance is not as critical.

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So this would still give the same benefits that IF is supposed to do? I was doing the IF 2 meals a day for like 5 months after 1 pm. – primallykosher Feb 2 2012 at 18:06
Essentially, yes. We don't know for sure, but there's plenty of people (and protocols) that go for fewer, longer fasts. The 16/8 daily window is more geared towards maintaining a consistent level of performance with regular intense exercise - I don't really consider it fasting or intermittent. If you've decided you do better eating throughout the day, then yes you will be able to get significant benefits with one complete day of fasting every week, two weeks, or even just every month. – PrimalDanny Feb 2 2012 at 18:23
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The current research/understanding is that eating more only speeds up the metabolism to the extent necessary to handle the extra food - there's no 'additional burn'. However you may find it an easier model to work with which may bring benefits. I would view it as treating the symptoms rather than the problem itself, and that it may not be the absolute best thing to do, but eating frequently may be better than what you're currently doing. The risk is that it allows you to ignore some other more fundamental problem with your lifestyle.

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What fundamental problems? – primallykosher Feb 2 2012 at 19:31
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Well the big ones are the specifics of the food you're eating, the sleep you're getting, and the activities you're doing. There are other hormonal influencers of course which may disrupt things but fundamentally if you get the rest right you should be ok. – PrimalDanny Feb 2 2012 at 19:36
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I don't see why it would cause problems. IMO it's important to do what's most natural for you.

I always preferred large meals and was frustrated and dysfunctional on frequent meals. Okay, that means IF is a great choice for me. It doesn't mean IF has to be the best option for you.

Let's face it, there's a wide range of "normal" on everything related to humans. You need to feel free to discover where you best fit into that range and act accordingly.

P.S. In fact, as I think about it if IF is a great weight-loss solution for me who says eating frequently can't be an enhanced-nutrition mechanism for you? Just make sure you always emphasize denser foods rather than volume (again, the opposite of what I do to lose.)

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I now only eat about 3 times a day full meals. As opposed to 2 full meals and occasionally snacks. – primallykosher Feb 2 2012 at 16:38
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When you say you cannot eat enough, is it mostly related to the colon issue you mentioned? I suppose you may have to look at higher calorie choices. Or is it just that you a 'full' and so cannot eat more?

I only eat two meals a day, lunch and dinner (post work-out) and I generally hit my calorie target.

Another Leangains FAQ which may provide some further ideas and links: http://examine.com/leangains-faq/

"Can I Bulk with the LG Approach or is Strictly to Lose Fat?
LG is not about just losing fat. It is about recomposition. So yes you can bulk - just eat above your maintenance. LG will help you lose BF, and it will let you get to low BF% levels, but the overall focus is on recomposition. Martin has said that LG is essentially a self-contained cut/bulk - 16 hours of cut, 8 hours of bulk."

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Yeah at a meal I have rather long satiey after eating correctly. I'm not trying to bulk per say rather lose but my energy takes a huge hit with only eating twice. I guess I could also ramp up my activity a lot more to eat more. – primallykosher Feb 2 2012 at 16:54
Hmm, maybe play around with carbs as one they will increase energy and two make you hungry. – AlohaSpeck Feb 2 2012 at 17:19
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Meal frequency is irrelevant to body metabolism: http://examine.com/faq/do-i-need-to-eat-six-times-a-day-to-keep-my-metabolism-high.html

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I wonder if your inability to eat massive amounts of food has something to do with gut flora and/or stomach acid levels.

Perhaps you might try supplementing with a bunch of either digestive enzymes (i.e. Now Super Enzymes) or betaine HCL before meals and seeing if your digestion speeds up.

For these you'd want to first figure out how many you need by taking them before you eat, say one pill at a time, spaced out by a minute or two until you feel heat with your hand above your stomach (or feel heartburn), upto a total of 5 pills.

Failing that, if the issue isn't in the stomach, the usual gut flora improvements via sour kraut, kefir and other probiotics as well as bone broths, etc.

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Is eating massive amounts of food that healthy though? Isn't that going to age me faster and cause more wear and tear? – primallykosher Feb 3 2012 at 14:33
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I IF and I find I'm naturally hungrier 2 or 3 days out of the week. I listen to my body and eat a lot more during those days. It doesn't seem to affect my weight loss faster or slower but I do take coconut oil before meals to keep my cravings at bay on re-feeding days.

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