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Created June 16, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Seems like my opinions are being attacked by a moderator. Seems like it's time to go.

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From Dave: Hi everyone,

This is exactly the kind of drama that we do NOT need on this site. You and @VB have been warned. I will not tolerate toxic, trolling behavior. It contributes nothing to this site or its users and only serves to validate your own egos.

Thank you @Matt 11 for closing this thread.

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15400 · June 17, 2014 at 9:29 PM

See my comments above. Your answers and comments are rude and offensive. The way you discuss different matters is bullying.

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15400 · June 17, 2014 at 9:25 PM

See my comments below. As for throwing names, I am just helping you to "grow some thicker skin".

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15400 · June 17, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Matt, you closed this question, but I still have some comments.

You are a rude and aggressive moderator who constantly posts obnoxious answers. If I were in charge, I would strip you from your moderator status a long long time ago. Please get some anger management classes.

Examples:

1. "You've done your share of stirring the pot" - RUDE

2. "SURPRISE!" - mockery

3. "you aren't getting a free pass on it" - RUDE

4. "grow some thick skin" - UNEDUCATED AND SNIDE REMARK

5. "you're just playing a victim card" - RUDE ASSUMPTION, PERSONAL INSULT

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41452 · June 17, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Nobody is being rude or insensitive either. The only one throwing around names is you.

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15400 · June 17, 2014 at 9:01 PM

No, I am seriously suggesting that pointing out statements that can be perceived by others as incorrect and faulty reasoning IN A RUDE AND INSENSITIVE MANNER is a sign of aggressive behavior and a form of bullying. Different people require a different level of sensitivity. Yet another uneducated and moronic statement.

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41452 · June 17, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Which nobody has done… discussion is not bullying.

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41452 · June 17, 2014 at 8:48 PM

You're seriously suggesting that pointing out incorrect statements and faulty reasoning is insensitive? It's bullying? BS.

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15400 · June 17, 2014 at 7:30 PM

That was REALLY funny. Thanks! I enjoyed it. I don't have influenza (yet). Or bronchitis.

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15400 · June 17, 2014 at 7:29 PM

@CDone I did not attack you personally. I have labeled your behavior. Would you like me to provide the definition of bullying?

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15400 · June 17, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Moors, thanks for you links. The testosterone and aggression connection is very well established in biology. I have listened to Robert Sapolsky's lectures as well as Helen Fisher's. They both mention NUMEROUS studies, including the experiments when chimps start fighting for the rank after being injected with testosterone.

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15400 · June 17, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Absolutely not. Someone is automatically labelled as a bully or a moron when they behave like one.

Cyber bullying can take many forms. However, there are six forms that are the most common.

Harassment: Repeatedly sending offensive, rude, and insulting messages

Right back at ya.

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15400 · June 17, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Hmmm, why would I mock Moors - he provided some useful links! I would rather mock Matt in order to help him to follow his own advice - grow some thick skin. After I am done his skin will probably be more like a rawhide from a hippo. Or an elephant. So... how are your testosterone results came out, Matt? Please share - I would love to see if they are in any way related to your aggressivity.

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15400 · June 17, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Matt, MANY PEOPLE CANNOT GROW SOME THICK SKIN. It is biologically impossible, because people with more estrogen will be more sensitive than others. So the advice is 1. uneducated since it is disregards the knowledge of human biology 2. moronic since you completely write off another person's emotional state.

You can challenge faulty thinking as much as you want as long as you recognize that 1. you are not the center of the universe 2. other people may be and will be hurt by insensitivity.

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41452 · June 17, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Did I get called out earlier and miss it? Haha.

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41452 · June 17, 2014 at 5:22 PM

Not at all, she's demonstrated that she thinks any opinion/position counter to hers is a personal attack. That is not the case, for her to think in this way is thin-skinned. I actively challenge faulty thinking here. And I do this as a user not a moderator. My moderator actions are simply to clean up spam.

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10176 · June 17, 2014 at 4:30 PM

A couple days ago matt was a lil troll. Not even a full sized one.

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10176 · June 17, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Well, right, but we need a diversion from slaying spam and hacking thyroids.

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0 · June 17, 2014 at 3:12 PM

So someone is automatically labelled as a bully or moron simply because he/she disagrees with your opinion? This is a discussion board. We aren't all going to agree on one thing. That is hardly being a bully.

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26182 · June 17, 2014 at 1:15 PM

btw, the single most voted question in PH history starts off with, "Intellectual honesty demands that we understand and respond to the smartest & best arguments our critics make." -- how is it bullying to suggest that we must contest our own opinions. Otherwise we turn to dogmatic practices, which have led to the current SAD.

http://paleohacks.com/questions/23165/what-are-the...

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26182 · June 17, 2014 at 1:09 PM

I may not be a PhD, but I can balance redox too....

4 CuSCN + 10 HCl + 7 KIO3 = 4 CuSO4 + 7 ICl + 4 KCN + 5 H2O + 3 KCl

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10176 · June 17, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Careful truth. I have my finger on the history eraser button too. Though I try to use it in good taste.

This is Paleo my way

http://youtu.be/9vOPFGHV1sQ

Best show I've seen in the last 50 millenia.

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41452 · June 17, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Oh geez, you questioned VB… she's going totally mock you now… for your low self-esteem, high testosterone… And your links to science on the interwebz?! You know nothing!

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5 · June 17, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Good answer, VB, but I don't relate testosterone with aggression, in just the first page of a scholar google search these caught my eye:

http://www.google.com.tr/books?hl=en&lr=&id=hurRyW...

http://www.google.com.tr/books?hl=en&lr=&id=hurRyW...

I think it may be related with something more like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego_and_super-ego

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26182 · June 17, 2014 at 10:24 AM

@VB the personal attacks are not necessary and are inappropriate. I have not attacked you or girlgenius personally. Follow the timeline. I provided answers with literature to back up my opinions. She (and you) attacked me personally.

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5356 · June 17, 2014 at 9:50 AM

Replace all mention of Mr. Burns with VB..though it's probably only funny because, I know more of the fight you've had in figuring out what's wrong with you.

http://vimeo.com/96581518

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15400 · June 17, 2014 at 9:36 AM

Anything funny for me please?

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15400 · June 17, 2014 at 7:51 AM

Intellectual honesty?Yeah, right. Bullying.

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15400 · June 17, 2014 at 7:49 AM

Grow some thick skin? What a moronic, uneducated answer.

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41452 · June 16, 2014 at 11:37 PM

C'mon, you know we make the big bucks here!

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26182 · June 16, 2014 at 10:54 PM

Sorry @thhq they removed the changing name thing with the new site.

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10176 · June 16, 2014 at 10:19 PM

Have a sense of humor. Change your name to Tank Girl for instance.

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14877 · June 16, 2014 at 10:17 PM

^This too^

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10176 · June 16, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Paleo tough love.

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14877 · June 16, 2014 at 10:16 PM

^^^This^^^^^

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10176 · June 16, 2014 at 10:16 PM

Stick around. If you can stand manners like Itchy and Scratchy. It's always been rough and tumble. You learn some new stuff anyway.

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0 · June 17, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Hi. Please do not quit the forum. I feel this forum is very valuable. We may all eat and exercise differently. We do not have to be where someone else is. I look at this forum as a place to learn. When I first started Paleo , I started slow. I have made more positive changes a long the way. I am not 100 percent Paleo , but it is working for me. I notice some people are the forum are very direct, but I feel the information they give is good. Thank you all for the knowledge you share.

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0 · June 17, 2014 at 3:10 PM

So someone is automatically labelled as a bully or moron simply because he/she disagrees with your opinion? This is a discussion board. We aren't all going to agree on one thing. That is hardly being a bully.

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2302 · June 17, 2014 at 3:08 PM

This is just silly

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10176 · June 17, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Well, right, but we need a diversion from slaying spam and hacking thyroids.

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5356 · June 17, 2014 at 9:26 AM

...must distract the mods..but how...THINK Truthy..think....aha!

I need to take down Matt first -figure THIS out Mr. Smarty pants.

CuSCN+KIO3+HCl === CuSO4+KCl+HCN+ICI+H2O

Then, to create a couple waves of spam for CD - CD if you're reading this, go to the front page, there's spam there, I promise.

And a quick THHQ fake out - R&S

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/8c6bdfd17d/the-re...

Now that everyone's thoroughly distracted...

*grabs soap box"

* http://egotvonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/...*

to answer your question....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhENh7AWNXY

Truth.

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10176 · June 17, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Careful truth. I have my finger on the history eraser button too. Though I try to use it in good taste.

This is Paleo my way

http://youtu.be/9vOPFGHV1sQ

Best show I've seen in the last 50 millenia.

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26182 · June 17, 2014 at 1:09 PM

I may not be a PhD, but I can balance redox too....

4 CuSCN + 10 HCl + 7 KIO3 = 4 CuSO4 + 7 ICl + 4 KCN + 5 H2O + 3 KCl

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15400 · June 17, 2014 at 9:36 AM

Anything funny for me please?

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15400 · June 17, 2014 at 7:48 AM

It is up to you, but I wouldn't quit this forum because of two (or three or more) bullies or morons. Why do you think they come here? To raise their self-esteem that is probably dangerously (for others) low. Most likely, they don't get any, don't know what to do with their hands, etc.

You can either ignore them, fight them or mock them - it is up to you. I personally prefer the mockery because it is a lot of fun.

Also, look at the situation this way: they are just a bunch of young kids, inexperienced, who know close to... nothing. So they are trying to "impress" the others on Paleohacks by showing off. Well, it is pretty obvious to people who are older and wiser that they are ... let me put it mildly - not that knowledgeable.

Plus, high testosterone levels lead to aggressive behavior. I don't even think they realize it themselves that they appear aggressive. By the way, you attacked him yourself! You called him a troll and told him to go away!!!

If I were you, I would stick around, because chances are, you will get a lot of good answers (and some bad ones too) to your questions. Just ignore their comments, questions, and answers.

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10176 · June 17, 2014 at 4:30 PM

A couple days ago matt was a lil troll. Not even a full sized one.

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5 · June 17, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Good answer, VB, but I don't relate testosterone with aggression, in just the first page of a scholar google search these caught my eye:

http://www.google.com.tr/books?hl=en&lr=&id=hurRyW...

http://www.google.com.tr/books?hl=en&lr=&id=hurRyW...

I think it may be related with something more like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego_and_super-ego

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0 · June 17, 2014 at 3:12 PM

So someone is automatically labelled as a bully or moron simply because he/she disagrees with your opinion? This is a discussion board. We aren't all going to agree on one thing. That is hardly being a bully.

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26182 · June 16, 2014 at 10:15 PM

First. As a "Moderator" I get to delete spam -- and I do it for free. So let's not put some perception of grandeur around a position that is essentially a trash collector -- I certainly do not.

Did I attack your postions? Yes -- that's called intellectual honesty. But while I tired to engage in a debate (weird for a Q&A forum), you simply attacked me personally.

  • You asked, "Would you be Paleo if you had to give up salt?". Implicit in your question is two things (1. Salt is not Paleo (which I challenged); 2. that ideology should be coveted above health (which I challenged)) In response to this I provided you with several peer-reviewed articles that show the danger of low salt intake. I also researched your supplement and advised you that table salt is one of the primary ingredients. -- your response was to down-vote me
  • I claimed that (apparently controversial) the paleo diet was about achieving optimal health. You said I was in the wrong place and called me a troll. Then you said, "Our interest" is living a paleo life and that "There is no need for defending arguments." -- Obviously you realize how counter this is to having an open discussion. Thus, I challenged this on the both accounts. You responded by saying that there were "several books, magazines" that suggest paleo diet is only about reenactment. I gave you 11 "gurus" who publicly disagree with your statement. Rather than providing me with a single link to the several books you simply called me a troll, and called the "gurus", "self proclaimed experts". Maybe they are self-proclaimed, but three of them foundde the diet, and thus should be given some level of authoritative status.

I would not suggest that you leave this forum, I would suggest that you be prepared to defend and discuss your opinion (preferably through scientific analysis) without resulting in ad hominem attacks.

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15400 · June 17, 2014 at 7:51 AM

Intellectual honesty?Yeah, right. Bullying.

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14877 · June 16, 2014 at 10:17 PM

^This too^

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41452 · June 16, 2014 at 11:37 PM

C'mon, you know we make the big bucks here!

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26182 · June 17, 2014 at 10:24 AM

@VB the personal attacks are not necessary and are inappropriate. I have not attacked you or girlgenius personally. Follow the timeline. I provided answers with literature to back up my opinions. She (and you) attacked me personally.

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598 · June 16, 2014 at 9:52 PM

You need to understand that this is a forum and people debate in forums. I might go so far as to call this a debate forum, even though it's labeled as a Q&A. If you don't like it when people disagree with you, if you don't like defending your position, if you don't like conflict and opposition, then yes - quit. If you can take a little heat and learn from disagreements then stick it out and grow some thicker skin.

Understand that nobody is always right. I can absolutely guarantee that many of your "opinions" are downright wrong. I know for certain that some of my own opinions are wrong. I take the arguments with a grain of salt and usually keep my opinions, even if they're wrong.

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14877 · June 16, 2014 at 10:16 PM

^^^This^^^^^

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41452 · June 16, 2014 at 9:43 PM

If you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen. You've done your share of stirring the pot, and - SURPRISE! - you aren't getting a free pass on it. Grow some thick skin, this is the interwebz. You aren't being attacked, you're just playing a victim card.

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10176 · June 16, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Paleo tough love.

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15400 · June 17, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Matt, you closed this question, but I still have some comments.

You are a rude and aggressive moderator who constantly posts obnoxious answers. If I were in charge, I would strip you from your moderator status a long long time ago. Please get some anger management classes.

Examples:

1. "You've done your share of stirring the pot" - RUDE

2. "SURPRISE!" - mockery

3. "you aren't getting a free pass on it" - RUDE

4. "grow some thick skin" - UNEDUCATED AND SNIDE REMARK

5. "you're just playing a victim card" - RUDE ASSUMPTION, PERSONAL INSULT

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14877 · June 16, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Whoever this moderator is, they were probably attacking your arguments, not you as a person. You perhaps took it personally, but I highly doubt it was meant that way.

As far as quitting goes.. I doubt there is much efficacy in a mostly anonymous diet forum anyways, and most of the time when people are typing they are sitting, and that time could otherwise be spent doing something to enhance your health, not detract from it. Also, there is such a thing as information overload and paralysis by analysis, which I feel paleo diet "experts" (aka salesmen) are masters at perpetuating. Eat healthy. Move more. Portion control (i.e. calorie control). That simple. So, yes, I say quit. Go that route. It's much better.

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245 · June 16, 2014 at 9:05 PM

I'm not a moderator. :D

Also, it's all about outlook. Don't view them as attacks, view them as caring nudges back to reality. ^^

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