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Should different races eat different types of paleo diets?

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Created January 12, 2013 at 5:46 PM

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Should we base our diet off of where in the world our ancestors lived 20,000 years ago?

this is something i've always wondered about. for instance, should whites eat more beef and milk while blacks eat more fish and desert-like plants?

races evolved in different areas so wouldn't it make sense that they have different diets for optimal health?

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10994 · September 07, 2013 at 1:28 AM

I voted to reopen this as I think he is asking about our more recent Neolithic ancestors. 20,000 years ago Europeans had not domesticated cows, and had not developed the lactose persistent gene mutation. This is a plausible question IMO.

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17402 · January 13, 2013 at 1:45 PM

@paleo pomeranian - that probably has more to do with vitamin D absorption and sun exposure than much else - yes, skin color, but it's only one minor aspect of their epigenome. This can be fixed with supplementation. Since humans interbreed so much, the rest doesn't matter, you can generalize that industrial seed oils such as Soy is harmful to all humans, and that high levels of fructose is harmful to all humans as well. The idea of race as metabolic health indicator is pretty much invalid - all depends on which genes you have, and which are active (methylated).

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15400 · January 13, 2013 at 6:26 AM

@jake - thanks for bringing that up!

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15400 · January 13, 2013 at 6:19 AM

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/694689/posts

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15400 · January 13, 2013 at 6:18 AM

http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1436.html

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15400 · January 13, 2013 at 6:15 AM

that's why anthropologists argue against using the term "race". The genetic variation between Africans are much greater than genetic variations in other so-called "races". "Race" is a made-up term based on a phenotype and only racists categorize people as European descent, African descent and Asian descent. Jacobs is NOT an anthropologist as far as I know.

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15400 · January 13, 2013 at 6:12 AM

The biological variations within "races" change within 2000 generations. Put some people from Iceland to Africa - in 2000 generations their skin will be as dark as the natives. As for lactose intolerance - put some Asian people in Europe on milk and chesse - 2000 generations - no more lactose intolerance. When those people will fail to produce a virile offsprings - like hinneys and mules - that's when we can take race into consideration. The reason why they are called "races" is because they LOOK different. However, genetically it is not the same,

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15400 · January 13, 2013 at 6:03 AM

@ Stephen - inbreds, mutts - we are :)

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15400 · January 13, 2013 at 6:03 AM

@paleo pomeranian - try feeding them organic grass from alpine fields. They will do better than on any grain. All of them.

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1672 · January 13, 2013 at 12:34 AM

i dont think this is a duplicate. race =/= paleo ancestry.

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1672 · January 13, 2013 at 12:31 AM

theres plenty of studies showing african americans have different metabolic susceptibilities to caucasians so it follows that for optimal health outcomes they would need different diets.

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1672 · January 13, 2013 at 12:25 AM

Yes, different breeds of horses do better on different diets.

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10994 · January 12, 2013 at 9:50 PM

It seems to me he is talking about the last 2k years, not the last 20k. There's definitely a difference.

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10994 · January 12, 2013 at 9:45 PM

@vb, does this mean technically we're all inbreds?

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41544 · January 12, 2013 at 9:16 PM

Jake, I'd be willing to bet there's more difference between man today and paleo man, than there's difference between an African and an Asian.

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434 · January 12, 2013 at 8:43 PM

no david, the genome project has recently concluded that there is a 2-3 % difference in a genetic sense between the races

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5792 · January 12, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Also, it is well known that tolerance to dairy (lactose) varies by race. It could be possible this extends to other food groups, yet to be researched. Lactose Intolerance for those of: European descent - 7-20 % African descent - 65-75 % Asian descent - 90+ % From Jacobs, "21 Myths of the Paleo Diet Debunked," page 11.

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825 · January 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM

it stands to reason that humans who evolved in very different regions of the earth would eat and thrive on very different things. there's a reason they're called "races" and it's because of the genetic differences.

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15400 · January 12, 2013 at 7:45 PM

ancestry.com or genographic project, it is cheaper.

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18635 · January 12, 2013 at 7:16 PM

On a more serious note I think you have to take into consideration skin tone in instances of latitudinal displacement. You know, the whole melatonin and vitamin D thing. Other than that no big deal. Everyone regardless of race is gonna have to run through the N=1 hoops.

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18635 · January 12, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Yeah, really.....I thought whites eat turkey and mashed tators while blacks eat fried chicken and watermelon. Get your stereotypes straight man!

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15593 · January 12, 2013 at 6:28 PM

'Race' in the sense of skin colour is quite a poor indicator for genetic similarity/difference.

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41544 · January 12, 2013 at 6:07 PM

Whites eat beef and blacks eat fish? Where the heck did you get those types of stereotypes?

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1672 · January 13, 2013 at 12:31 AM

theres plenty of studies showing african americans have different metabolic susceptibilities to caucasians so it follows that for optimal health outcomes they would need different diets.

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17402 · January 13, 2013 at 1:45 PM

@paleo pomeranian - that probably has more to do with vitamin D absorption and sun exposure than much else - yes, skin color, but it's only one minor aspect of their epigenome. This can be fixed with supplementation. Since humans interbreed so much, the rest doesn't matter, you can generalize that industrial seed oils such as Soy is harmful to all humans, and that high levels of fructose is harmful to all humans as well. The idea of race as metabolic health indicator is pretty much invalid - all depends on which genes you have, and which are active (methylated).

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5792 · January 12, 2013 at 6:17 PM

If you have ever delved into the Weston Price* stuff, they address this topic some. In "Deep Nutrition" (maybe? sorry, my brain forgets where stuff comes from!) Shanahan talks about how people who have ancestors from Northern Europe can tolerate more grains, because they have been ingesting them for centuries, and their genes have altered somewhat to accommodate (via epigenetics). But when you look at populations who are only one generation removed from hunter-gatherers, the impact of grains can be devastating. I think Taubes also goes into this some in Good Calories, Bad Calories (specifically the Aboriginal and American Indian populations). Not that grains are good for anyone, just that some people have higher tolerance.

I would think the same idea might apply to meats as well. Personally I am 2 generations removed from being full-blooded American Indian, and I definitely function better when I eat foods that would have been available to my ancestors. I don't tolerate N European meats very well (especially heavy sausages) but my husband could live on them (blond haired blue eyed person that he is!). I am sure it's not an exact science, but it's a good place to start!

On another note, if you want to know your ethnic ancestry, you can submit DNA to ancestry.com and get a profile.

*Yeah, I know Weston Price isn't Paleo; but there is some overlap.

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15400 · January 12, 2013 at 7:45 PM

ancestry.com or genographic project, it is cheaper.

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15400 · January 12, 2013 at 7:49 PM

Should different breeds of horses eat different grass? Do you think that European-bred horses tolerate grains better?

If they can mate, it's the same what their ancestors ate.

A reminder: all guys on this planet, like ALL OF THEM, can be traced down to one single male, a so-called anthropological Adam.

All girls can be traced down to one single female, anthropological Eve.

Too bad they never met. It would be such a romantic story! He would give her a fish, and she would find him some nuts...

I wonder if Paleo people had peanut allergies....

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15400 · January 13, 2013 at 6:03 AM

@ Stephen - inbreds, mutts - we are :)

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15400 · January 13, 2013 at 6:18 AM

http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1436.html

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5792 · January 12, 2013 at 8:39 PM

Also, it is well known that tolerance to dairy (lactose) varies by race. It could be possible this extends to other food groups, yet to be researched. Lactose Intolerance for those of: European descent - 7-20 % African descent - 65-75 % Asian descent - 90+ % From Jacobs, "21 Myths of the Paleo Diet Debunked," page 11.

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10994 · January 12, 2013 at 9:45 PM

@vb, does this mean technically we're all inbreds?

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1672 · January 13, 2013 at 12:25 AM

Yes, different breeds of horses do better on different diets.

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825 · January 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM

it stands to reason that humans who evolved in very different regions of the earth would eat and thrive on very different things. there's a reason they're called "races" and it's because of the genetic differences.

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15400 · January 13, 2013 at 6:12 AM

The biological variations within "races" change within 2000 generations. Put some people from Iceland to Africa - in 2000 generations their skin will be as dark as the natives. As for lactose intolerance - put some Asian people in Europe on milk and chesse - 2000 generations - no more lactose intolerance. When those people will fail to produce a virile offsprings - like hinneys and mules - that's when we can take race into consideration. The reason why they are called "races" is because they LOOK different. However, genetically it is not the same,

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15400 · January 13, 2013 at 6:19 AM

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/694689/posts

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15400 · January 13, 2013 at 6:03 AM

@paleo pomeranian - try feeding them organic grass from alpine fields. They will do better than on any grain. All of them.

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15400 · January 13, 2013 at 6:15 AM

that's why anthropologists argue against using the term "race". The genetic variation between Africans are much greater than genetic variations in other so-called "races". "Race" is a made-up term based on a phenotype and only racists categorize people as European descent, African descent and Asian descent. Jacobs is NOT an anthropologist as far as I know.

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3347 · January 12, 2013 at 8:36 PM

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