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RAW versus cooked meat (and it's affect on tooth health)

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Created February 13, 2010 at 6:21 PM

I always kept my eating pretty straight forward, lump of lean meat into the foreman grill and handful of veg (and a lot of fruit for dessert).

However having recently read "Cure Tooth Decay" and "Nourishing Traditions" (Sally Fallon) which are both heavily based on Weston Prices findings, I'm questioning cooking my meat (and eating fruit). Both books extoll the benefits of "good" (cringe) bacteria which you get from raw meat, fish, eggs and organ meat.

I'd really like to strengthen my teeth and stop any plaque. Eating cooked meat doesn't seem to help. I ate an organic steak raw the other day but it's not something I can feasibly do every day.

I see clean healthy strong teeth as a good indicator of good diet. Has anyone here tried both and have anything to comment?

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255 · March 17, 2013 at 7:05 PM

For anyone interested I've since read and can recommend reading "Kiss Your Dentist Goodbye" for a good explanation of what actually happens in your mouth. I've had some great results since, especially in conjunction with Weston Price principles.

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255 · March 17, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Your simplified view on plaque as "white stuff" does not do it justice. It is a microcosm of different bacteria that can not only harbour bacteria detrimental to teeth but also protective ones that help shield them from temperature and other harmful substances. It is not desirable (or likely possible) to completely remove plaque as your mouth is filled with bacteria by it's very nature. The aim of the raw meat question was to see if anyone had found bacteria from raw meat beneficial to tooth health. You say no "matter WTF you eat, you'll develope (sic) tartar". What did people do before floss?

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20 · June 29, 2012 at 11:06 AM

i worked at an ethiopian restaurant and they had a dish called kitfo. raw ground angus with spices. that was all it was. of course they put "vegetable oil" in everything there, so one day i asked for the cook to give me a little bit for my nightly meal... except without the table salt, irradiated spices, or vegetable oil. she told me to ask the owner and the owner said she could make extra when someone orders it... sigh, no meal. but i did try a very tiny bit of the regularly prepared stuff... it was amazing. i'd love to recreate it.

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255 · March 14, 2010 at 7:51 PM

I watched a doc on this the other night, they've found evidence of butchery dating back a long time and they've found burnt bones also going back a long time. I believe they've yet to find burnt bones with signs of butchery that would confirm the cooking. I'm not saying we're not adapted to cooking, just that we lose nutrients in the process. Check out Pottingers cat study - I know we're not cats but it shows the difference in cooked vs raw meat in carnivores.

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78422 · March 02, 2010 at 10:38 PM

Do you just take it by the spoonful, or do you use it in cooking?

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10502 · February 13, 2010 at 10:07 PM

Try it and let us know here on PaleoHacks. This self-experiment sounds very interesting.

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255 · February 13, 2010 at 8:30 PM

I brush once a day most of the time, but just with water or a smidge of toothpaste. I don't think toothpaste does anything, so why put chemicals in your mouth. I take vitamin K2 amongst various fish oils as per FreeTheAnimal. Maybe my hope for completely plaque free teeth is unrealistic. Might be interesting to eat completely raw for a week... anyone tried?

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70 · February 13, 2010 at 7:33 PM

This may sound a bit gross, but I pretty much don't brush more than a couple times a week--and then just out of a sense of guilt. I went to the dentist for the first time in about a year and a half and, of course, no tooth decay. I had a bit of plaque in between them, so maybe I ought to start flossing.

My dad told me about when he lived in Africa and the people there used sticks to clean their teeth.

I can't say that I've tried long-term raw meat eating, though I've eaten my share of raw meat. I'd probably throw in the need to obviously get quality meat and not trust the standard fare at the supermarket. When I lived in Germany, we eat a lot of raw meat. No problems at all.

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255 · February 13, 2010 at 8:30 PM

I brush once a day most of the time, but just with water or a smidge of toothpaste. I don't think toothpaste does anything, so why put chemicals in your mouth. I take vitamin K2 amongst various fish oils as per FreeTheAnimal. Maybe my hope for completely plaque free teeth is unrealistic. Might be interesting to eat completely raw for a week... anyone tried?

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10502 · February 13, 2010 at 10:07 PM

Try it and let us know here on PaleoHacks. This self-experiment sounds very interesting.

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3268 · March 03, 2010 at 3:28 AM

I believe I read in a reliable source that we have evidence of cooking going back 2 million years. Hard to believe we are not adapted to cooked meat.

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255 · March 14, 2010 at 7:51 PM

I watched a doc on this the other night, they've found evidence of butchery dating back a long time and they've found burnt bones also going back a long time. I believe they've yet to find burnt bones with signs of butchery that would confirm the cooking. I'm not saying we're not adapted to cooking, just that we lose nutrients in the process. Check out Pottingers cat study - I know we're not cats but it shows the difference in cooked vs raw meat in carnivores.

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1648 · March 30, 2010 at 11:25 PM

I would be cautious about eating raw meat, only because of our current (American) poor meat handling practices. Just watched Food, Inc last night, and it was made clear the conditions that most cows are treated to, how they live in their own feces, how the antibiotics they are given contribute to e coli, and how easily the meat gets contaminated.

However, if you know where your meat comes from, and are certain the animals are treated ethically and hygienically, I would say that eating raw meat may be more of an option. I do think that raw meat was in our diets, even if it was supplemented with cooked meat.

Anyone know of a way to "cook" raw meat with lemon & lime juice, like they "cook" fish for ceviche?

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20 · June 29, 2012 at 11:06 AM

i worked at an ethiopian restaurant and they had a dish called kitfo. raw ground angus with spices. that was all it was. of course they put "vegetable oil" in everything there, so one day i asked for the cook to give me a little bit for my nightly meal... except without the table salt, irradiated spices, or vegetable oil. she told me to ask the owner and the owner said she could make extra when someone orders it... sigh, no meal. but i did try a very tiny bit of the regularly prepared stuff... it was amazing. i'd love to recreate it.

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9948 · March 03, 2010 at 12:23 AM

Eating Paleo certainly has its advantages for dental hygiene, but getting enough Vitamin D3 is critical for preventing tooth decay. See Stephans blog http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/03/preventing-tooth-decay.html regarding the discoverer of Vit D3 Sir Edward Mellanby and his wife May.

Also Dr Weston Price found that paleo eating benefits dental hygiene.

Does anyone know if eating SAD and supplementating with Vit D3 results in the same tooth decay prevention that paleo eaters find?

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10502 · February 13, 2010 at 6:33 PM

@Beefboy

My gums and teeth improved tremendously from eating Paleo. I also supplement with Butter Oil and Cod Liver Oil too, which I think have made a difference.

X-Factor Gold High Vitamin Butter Oil 8 oz (237 ml)

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78422 · March 02, 2010 at 10:38 PM

Do you just take it by the spoonful, or do you use it in cooking?

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1137 · March 02, 2010 at 11:19 PM

I have had huge periodontal issues over the years. I will begin a program called Perio Protect shortly. But I can definitely see an improvement already since cutting out sugar/grains. I don't think that raw meat is the answer. Ingesting Probiotics can help, but mouth bacteria is fairly unique. Cutting sugar cuts its food source, so that must be the key to dental health, not raw or cooked food. IMO, of course. I'm not a dentist.

For Periodontal disease, I take 200 mg. of COQ10, Vitamin K2 (can't afford butter oil right now) Vitamin C, and Concentrace Trace Minerals. (I also take Vitamin D3 for general health.) I brush with Eco Dent Tooth Powder instead of toothpaste. I get all of that on iherb.com. Once I start Perio Protect, I won't have to take all those extra supplements for much longer. (I'll always take Vitamin D though) Hope this helps.

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78422 · March 02, 2010 at 9:50 PM

Dumb double post!

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78422 · March 02, 2010 at 9:49 PM

I think I'd rather go to the dentist once in awhile than eat much raw meat. I am glad we discovered fire!

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-4 · June 09, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Listen to these f*** people! Oils n smidges of toothpaste, raw meat = good bacteria = no plaque?? Are u kidding me, are u all honestly that retarded??

For one, plaque is the white stuff that u can skim off with ur finger nail. Plaque turns into TARTER, which needs to be scraped off, usually with the metal pick at the dentists office. Bacteria feed on the tarter and other stuff in ur mouth until eventually, the acid the bacteria produce as a waste product eats through ur tooth enamel. Then other bacteria come along n colonize on the exposed dentin of your tooth and cause tooth decay aka a cavitiy.

FLOSS UR TEETH AND U CANT DEVELOPE TARTER!! WE'VE KNOWN THIS FOR DECADES IF NOT LONGER. Doesnt matter WTF you eat, u wont get tarter buildup if u floss every other day or so. If you dont floss,, again, it doesnt matter WTF you eat, you'll eventually develope tarter buildup. Brushing ur teeth only clears the visible tooth surfaces of plaque, not the areas between teeth and down within where the gumline meets each individual tooth. Proper flossing clears these areas of plaque and bits of food that would otherwise just stay stuck there and cause plaque to develope. Toothpaste has flouride in it which fills in the microscopic scratches and imperfections in the tooth enamel. This is beneficial because these grooves can be perfect places for tarter, then bacteria, then finally a cavity, to develope because they offer an viable area for the bacteria yet one too small for the bristles of ur toothbrush to get to. Toothpaste, indeed, also has "chemicals" that aid in breaking plaque up so it is removed easier and more completely from your teeth, and so when u rinse ur mouth out after brushing, most of the removed plaque is spat out with the toothpaste and rinse water.

FLOSS ur teeth. Its disgusting smelling the mouth of someone who does not floss. U have ROTTING food in ur mouth, and have become insensitive to its smell, but other people around you havent.

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255 · March 17, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Your simplified view on plaque as "white stuff" does not do it justice. It is a microcosm of different bacteria that can not only harbour bacteria detrimental to teeth but also protective ones that help shield them from temperature and other harmful substances. It is not desirable (or likely possible) to completely remove plaque as your mouth is filled with bacteria by it's very nature. The aim of the raw meat question was to see if anyone had found bacteria from raw meat beneficial to tooth health. You say no "matter WTF you eat, you'll develope (sic) tartar". What did people do before floss?

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